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Agreed, but mental illness or substance abuse are not the key factors for mass shootings; these conditions are incidental. 50% of mass shootings are associated with no red flags whatsoever. Mass shootings are caused by a convergence of multiple factors, ranging from severe & acute life stressors, emotional turmoil, & a desire for notoriety/revenge

The data tells us that the peak age for violent crime in the U.S is around 19-20, & this has everything to do with a developmental gap between impulsivity & self-control because the brain doesn't fully develop until mid 20's. This developmental gap is most heightened during late adolescence, & wider between males than females. There's also overlap between this developmental gap & social sensitivity, which helps to explain why young people are more conscious of the opinions of their peers & seek their approval.

If the developmental gap between impulsivity & self-control occurs in adolescent males across all cultures, then why is it that only young American males commit acts of gun violence? It's because at its core this is a problem related to access. In a country with 120 firearms per 100 residents & provides the constitutional right to carry them for self-defense; it's very difficult to keep firearms away from those most at risk for committing violent acts, without proper gun ownership practices. More than 50% of all gun owners store their firearms unlocked. This only makes it easier for individuals in crisis to gain access & leads to the theft of hundreds of thousands of guns from homes & cars each yr, helping to fuel gun violence all over the country.
I don’t disagree with most of your post, but the girl that killed all those kids and teachers in the Nashville private school a year ago was on the spectrum and hyped up with *** change drugs including testosterone, because some psychologist thought she should be what she identifies as, not taking into account that someone with her condition already has trouble with social interaction and I can tell you personally that testosterone in a confused individual is a volatile mix.
As well, studies have shown that 25% of prison populations are sociopaths, have borderline personality disorders or are straight up psychopaths.
As I said early in this thread, there is no one answer or even two or three, the root of these evil acts is a stew of issues.
 
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Access hasn't changed much in a century - find a better boogeyman.

I was referring to young American males having greater access to firearms than their peers in other countries, but if you want to limit the discussion to only the U.S we can.

It is simply categorically false to say that access to firearms has remained unchanged for over a century in this country. Here's the exact wording of the 2nd amendment:

A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Most people focus only on the 2nd part of the sentence, but to understand it's intent, u have to look at it in its entirety. The 2nd amendment was created in response to Article I, that gave congress the authority to create a national army & navy. Opponents feared this would destroy the ability of individual states to protect themselves, so an amendment was created which allowed states to still have their own militias. The understanding that the 2nd amendment referred to a citizen's right to own firearms only within the context of forming a militia, was supported by the Supreme Court for the majority of this country's history until 2008.

This changed in 08' with the DC v. Heller Supreme Court decision which ruled that the 2nd amendment should be interpreted as if it contained only the 2nd half of the sentence. This decision locked in a reinterpretation of the 2nd amendment which gave all citizens the right to hold & use firearms for self-defense.

Besides access, firearm availability has also evolved during this country's history:


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The data tells us that there is almost a direct relationship between firearm prevalence & homicide/suicide rates. It is so clear, that it is irrefutable at this pt. Overall, the U.S has a firearm homicide rate that is 25x, & a firearm suicide rate that 8x higher than other peer countries.
 
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I was referring to young American males having greater access to firearms than their peers in other countries, but if you want to limit the discussion to only the U.S we can.

It is simply categorically false to say that access to firearms has remained unchanged for over a century in this country. Here's the exact wording of the 2nd amendment:

A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Most people focus only on the 2nd part of the sentence, but to understand it's intent, u have to look at it in its entirety. The 2nd amendment was created in response to Article I, that gave congress the authority to create a national army & navy. Opponents feared this would destroy the ability of individual states to protect themselves, so an amendment was created which allowed states to still have their own militias. The understanding that the 2nd amendment referred to a citizen's right to own firearms only within the context of forming a militia, was supported by the Supreme Court for the majority of this country's existence until 2008.

This changed in 08' with the DC v. Heller Supreme Court decision which ruled that the 2nd amendment should be interpreted as if it contained only the 2nd half of the sentence. This decision locked in a reinterpretation of the 2nd amendment which gave all citizens the right to hold & use firearms for self-defense.

Besides access, firearm availability has also evolved during this country's history:


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The data tells us that there is almost a direct relationship between firearm prevalence & homicide/suicide rates. It is so clear, that it is irrefutable at this pt. Overall, the U.S has a firearm homicide rate that is 25x, & a firearm suicide rate that 8x higher than other peer countries.
A 'well-regulated' (as in well-honed, well-prepared and well-armed) militia - of the people. It's was never the founders' intent to restrict gun-ownership within the confines of an organized army.
 
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And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms...
- Samuel Adams

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”

– Thomas Jefferson

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
-Benjamin Franklin

“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached...”
– James Madison

“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”
- Patrick Henry

“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside.”
– Thomas Paine
 
Someone who wants to commit suicide, will do so whether they have a handgun or not.
Of the top 11 countries in suicide per capita, the USA is 5th.
Of the other 10 countries in the top 11, all have extremely restrictive handgun possession laws and several have outright bans on civilian handgun ownership including the UK, Australia, Ireland, Japan, South Korea which in #1 in suicide rate and Germany.
 
See graph. There is obviously zero correlation between suicide rates and handgun ownership.
 

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Sure don't need a gun to commit suicide in Canada.
I hate being that guy, but committing suicide has nothing to do with what happened at FSU. That's a totally different conversation at hand.

Committing suicide can be done in many more ways than committing a mass murderer on a public street or campus.

There's no necessity defending guns or gun policies here - guns make mass murders much much much easier, with the root cause being something else. Both things are 100% true.
 
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I hate being that guy, but committing suicide has nothing to do with what happened at FSU. That's a totally different conversation at hand.

Committing suicide can be done in many more ways than committing a mass murderer on a public street or campus.

There's no necessity defending guns or gun policies here - guns make mass murders much much much easier, with the root cause being something else. Both things are 100% true.
I agree with you 100%. I was following the slight derail as I find Canada's MAID program to be cruel.
 
I agree with you 100%. I was following the slight derail as I find Canada's MAID program to be cruel.
Depends on how you view it. We're thankfully not in a position where we have to see someone suffering, with death being inevitable and the pain not ending or not getting better any time soon. These cases exist in a high enough number where such programs are installed. At least I hope we don't have anyone in here that has to witness it.
 
Depends on how you view it. We're thankfully not in a position where we have to see someone suffering, with death being inevitable and the pain not ending or not getting better any time soon. These cases exist in a high enough number where such programs are installed. At least I hope we don't have anyone in here that has to witness it.
If that was all it was being used for, I might be more sympathetic.
 
Yes, but I'm not comfortable with the government having a vested interest in my death.
That's one way of viewing it, another is the government giving people freedom to end a life that only would have further existed under bad circumstances.

Regardless of how you view it, these programs weren't established because the government suddenly were interested in people dying, they were established because people saw their loved ones suffer through something really bad.

Ultimately, its up to everyone to decide and I'm glad that I was raised in a society where people have made enough experiences with death to not try to tell anyone what to do in this instance.
 
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That's one way of viewing it, another is the government giving people freedom to end a life that only would have further existed under bad circumstances.

Regardless of how you view it, these programs weren't established because the government suddenly were interested in people dying, they were established because people saw their loved ones suffer through something really bad.

Ultimately, its up to everyone to decide and I'm glad that I was raised in a society where people have made enough experiences with death to not try to tell anyone what to do in this instance.
When you hear stories like the one where the handicapped lady requested a new wheelchair and they respond by declining, but offering MAiD as an option, it's not hard to see how something with a potentially useful purpose could be perverted to serve financial goals.
 
When you hear stories like the one where the handicapped lady requested a new wheelchair and they respond by declining, but offering MAiD as an option, it's not hard to see how something with a potentially useful purpose could be perverted to serve financial goals.
That's dumb people making horrible decisions on an administrative basis. But that's not the intent of the lawmaker.

That's just stupid people being really stupid.
 
I hate being that guy, but committing suicide has nothing to do with what happened at FSU. That's a totally different conversation at hand.

Committing suicide can be done in many more ways than committing a mass murderer on a public street or campus.

There's no necessity defending guns or gun policies here - guns make mass murders much much much easier, with the root cause being something else. Both things are 100% true.
I was just replying to the post that said access to guns resulted in more gun suicides. Whereas I think we can both agree, if we lose a family member to suicide, we’re not really too concerned by the method. Heck, Tony Dungy’s son committed suicide right up the road from me by ceiling fan.
 
I was just replying to the post that said access to guns resulted in more gun suicides. Whereas I think we can both agree, if we lose a family member to suicide, we’re not really too concerned by the method. Heck, Tony Dungy’s son committed suicide right up the road from me by ceiling fan.
Exactly. People don't care on how it happened.

They don't care too much in general about it. They just start caring when it's too late.
 
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