Off-Topic OT: FSU Active Shooter

[KANE]

You guys are the same ones that hope FSU wins to make us look better

 

[AtlAtty]

How about we pass a law that if you go into a school and shoot innocent people, your immediately family will face a firing squad. These selfish ***** would be a lot less likely to go and kill innocent people knowing their family would face the same fate

Probably unconstitutional, BUT I agree. These shooters are incredibly selfish but losing their own life doesn’t seem to be a deterrent. And your idea is a true deterrent. Maybe not for the completely insane, but for the majority of mass shooters who aren’t completely insane because they are taking calculated steps to kill people. Completely insane to me are the people who walk down the street talking to themselves. They aren’t the shooters.

The shooters are filled with hate for their own lives but instead of taking their own lives, they decide to kill others. Completely selfish. And their families typically don’t do enough to protect society from their sick, angry kid.

 

[SayWhat]

What a senseless mess and so tragic.

Something needs to be done, but what that is, I don't know. When will there be enough lives lost in this country to make a stand for change?

Two youngest went on a lock down last year, thought there was an active shooter. Scariest moment of my life and when all clear with false alarm, I broke down. I had to hold them a bit closer that afternoon and those who went through this today will feel it too. I hope the best for those who made it through witnessing whatever. Sad for those who lost their lives and even the family of the shooter.

 

[AtlAtty]

Maudes can delete this if they’d like, this info isn’t public yet but I don’t think it’s insensitive to post and it’s relevant possibly to some here. The family has been notified, but one of the victims who passed away was named Robert Morales.

I didn’t know Robert personally, but as I mentioned I was in Tallahassee for 21 years and it really is an incredibly small town, so I know several folks who did know him. I was told he was a MASSIVE Canes fan, he was born or at least grew up in Miami. I found his brother’s twitter, and he’s followed by several Canes accounts (including Brad Kaaya), so I wouldn’t be surprised if some of you knew him, or honestly even if he posted here.

Again, if this is insensitive in any way, go ahead and delete. I don’t think it is, but I’m not good at this sort of thing. Just trying to pay respects to what I’ve been told was a really good man and someone who loved his Canes.

RIP Robert Morales.

Forget deleting, I want to thank you for what you wrote. Far too much time and print is devoted to the soulless individuals who commit horrific acts, and we quickly move on from the innocent victims like Robert who was doing exactly what we hope millions of young people do with their lives. He was good for society and good for the world. He deserves to be remembered and discussed. Indeed, we need to do a better job as a society of NEVER forgetting the victims of mass murders. They deserve our attention, even if it is hard.

Now if someone posts info about the shooter and the pity he deserves because of whatever “issues’ he was experiencing, expect us to delete that.

 

[AtlAtty]

I know this will sound contrived in light of this tragedy, but as my kids were growing up (they are only 23 and 22 now but you know what i mean by “growing up”), I used to often think that I can’t produce someone who will hurt others. It’s an irrational fear but one that I hope all parents consider because we can’t produce members of society who harm other people. We as parents have to do everything in our power to stop these tragedies. We can’t depend on laws or politicians. It must happen in the home. We have to be with our kids, we have to listen to them and we have to mold them into productive people. They don’t have to become millionaires or invent the artificial heart. But they must become useful member of society.

THEY MUST MAKE THER WORLD A BETTER PLACE. I have told my kids from the time they were little that their one “job” in life is to leave the world a better place than when they entered. Help millions, help one person, I don’t care. But help others, help the world and do no harm. That is a life well lived.

 

[JamesQuall]

All of this.....I was at my buddy's house and his 10 year old kid, who plays video games all day, was playing this game where he hunts snipers. My boy bragging about his kid shooting a sniper from 3000 yards like he hit a home run in little league. I'm pro Second Amendment but I found this off, odd and a little disturbing.

Video games and movies as someone alluded to earlier are definitely not the issue. I could go on and on about the oddities of why a parent would allow their 10 year old play a game like that instead of any number of thousands of video games that don’t showcase or glorify killing, guns, etc

I am, as well, and owner. But guns and gun lore is so over glorified on a daily basis from all angles, and not all people process this equally, as JamesQuall alludes to. Young people grow up with no filters for what guns actually do - they end a life, and it’s only realized after the fact.

This kind of touches on it and I agree to a point. The lack of education and respect that goes into owning a tool that easily can take a life should not be taken lightly. Again not to go too deep but it’s odd that most of America would rather their kid play a game where they kill people instead of seeing a boob. Objectively they are equally “children should avoid this” yet one is infinitely more acceptable than the other.

 

[yeyo]

You guys are the same ones that hope FSU wins to make us look better

I usually lurk and don’t post much. But I had to say that you really are an incredible piece of ****.

 

[nycane]

Social Media the advancement and death of mankind. More retarded people than ever now influenced by goofy ****. All these retards had no voice now they have one and attract other retards. They should of just stayed NPCs

all these kids are drugged up now a days too

 

[Dwinstitles]

all these kids are drugged up now a days too

they fry their brain cells before that sh has a chance to develop

 

[genxcane]

I agree with you conceptually and understand what you're saying. I do wonder though, what are "they" supposed to do to address it/fix it? I mean this question respectfully and I'm not trying to stir anything at all. I also don't expect you to have an answer. "Gun control" sounds great until you unpack it and realize that there are more guns in this country than people and that many guns are illegally obtained. I'm sure there are some restrictions we could adopt, but I'm not real sure they would be effective. "Thoughts and Prayers" is about as hollow as it gets nowadays and even if it had more meaning, it doesn't address or fix the issue. Personally I would like to see these mass shooters somehow kept alive and tortured, but we have constitutional laws that disallow forms of punishment like that.

Nothing I wrote was directed at you; please don't take it that way. I probably just needed to get that noise out of my head. I have a nephew that goes to FSU - he's ok. It's just rattling to hear this stuff....again.

The argument that you can't control guns because of the volume is one way to say it. Another way is to say there is a large volume of guns BECAUSE they are not controlled. It is a choice.

Frankly, it is a choice where opinion polls lean heavily towards stronger laws. But yet here we are.

And to the extent that many guns are illegal obtained, I think it is helpful to ask why? Chicago is often cited as a failure in gun control but they are surrounded by states with lax gun laws where legal purchases can enter the black market. Or is it that any petty thief has a 50-50 chance of finding a gun in any random home break-in or car theft. When the culture is awash in legal guns it will also have a thriving black market. You can't separate the two.

There may be many reasons that take a person down that path; evil, depression, anger, abuse, drugs, mental illness, social media, video games, etc. But the one common thread is access to weapons that turn those flaws deadly.

 

[Groz73Cane]

The argument that you can't control guns because of the volume is one way to say it. Another way is to say there is a large volume of guns BECAUSE they are not controlled. It is a choice.

Frankly, it is a choice where opinion polls lean heavily towards stronger laws. But yet here we are.

And to the extent that many guns are illegal obtained, I think it is helpful to ask why? Chicago is often cited as a failure in gun control but they are surrounded by states with lax gun laws where legal purchases can enter the black market. Or is it that any petty thief has a 50-50 chance of finding a gun in any random home break-in or car theft. When the culture is awash in legal guns it will also have a thriving black market. You can't separate the two.

There may be many reasons that take a person down that path; evil, depression, anger, abuse, drugs, mental illness, social media, video games, etc. But the one common thread is access to weapons that turn those flaws deadly.

Indeed,.. well said my Man. The other factor of commonality is the Money. Question,.. how much money does it take for thoughts and prayers, while turning a blind eye to any meaningful attempt at gun control? I’d call my Senators but chances are they’re on an all expenses paid junket from the NRA. Just sayin’ RIP Robert

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

The argument that you can't control guns because of the volume is one way to say it. Another way is to say there is a large volume of guns BECAUSE they are not controlled. It is a choice.

Frankly, it is a choice where opinion polls lean heavily towards stronger laws. But yet here we are.

And to the extent that many guns are illegal obtained, I think it is helpful to ask why? Chicago is often cited as a failure in gun control but they are surrounded by states with lax gun laws where legal purchases can enter the black market. Or is it that any petty thief has a 50-50 chance of finding a gun in any random home break-in or car theft. When the culture is awash in legal guns it will also have a thriving black market. You can't separate the two.

There may be many reasons that take a person down that path; evil, depression, anger, abuse, drugs, mental illness, social media, video games, etc. But the one common thread is access to weapons that turn those flaws deadly.

The toothpaste has already been squeezed out of the tube. You can’t put it back. That was my point on guns. Legally vs illegally obtained doesn’t change that there are more guns than people in the US. Everything else you said pretty much falls into the camp of those who want stronger gun laws. That’s fine. I wasn’t looking for a debate on the topic. I’m exhausted on the topic since it gets brought up every time there’s a shooting, yet nothing happens. I’m not an elected official, so there’s nothing I can do to effect change on this matter (yes I can vote and write my congressmen but that’s not power to make change). Lastly, I meant absolutely no disrespect in my rebuttal as I was sort of speaking in generalities and nothing I said was aimed at you.

 

[RF-4CCane]

The argument that you can't control guns because of the volume is one way to say it. Another way is to say there is a large volume of guns BECAUSE they are not controlled. It is a choice.

Frankly, it is a choice where opinion polls lean heavily towards stronger laws. But yet here we are.

And to the extent that many guns are illegal obtained, I think it is helpful to ask why? Chicago is often cited as a failure in gun control but they are surrounded by states with lax gun laws where legal purchases can enter the black market. Or is it that any petty thief has a 50-50 chance of finding a gun in any random home break-in or car theft. When the culture is awash in legal guns it will also have a thriving black market. You can't separate the two.

There may be many reasons that take a person down that path; evil, depression, anger, abuse, drugs, mental illness, social media, video games, etc. But the one common thread is access to weapons that turn those flaws deadly.

Black markets tend to thrive more so when an item is illegal. Access to Opioids has been cracked down significantly in recent years yet opioid deaths have sky rocketed during that time. Why, because they have created a $$ market where the cartels can make significant profits smuggling them from other countries. Mexico has very restrictive gun laws, yet gun violence is rampant in Mexico and they aren’t getting the guns from the United States.
Criminals will always find a way to get guns, no matter how many gun laws you enact.
In this particular incident, even if guns were illegal in Florida, LEO’s would still have access and this kid could have still taken mommy’s gun because she didn’t secure them.

 

[RF-4CCane]

Indeed,.. well said my Man. The other factor of commonality is the Money. Question,.. how much money does it take for thoughts and prayers, while turning a blind eye to any meaningful attempt at gun control? I’d call my Senators but chances are they’re on an all expenses paid junket from the NRA. Just sayin’ RIP Robert

There aren’t any Senators on all expense junkets from the NRA. The NRA is broke.
They make a good boogeyman for those that buy into the narrative put out by those with an agenda but reality is quite a different story.

 

[Groz73Cane]

There aren’t any Senators on all expense junkets from the NRA. The NRA is broke.
They make a good boogeyman for those that buy into the narrative put out by those with an agenda but reality is quite a different story.

Yeah thanks, thoughts and prayers.

 

[JG13]

America, since the Revolutionary War, has embraced a freedom & self reliance that comes entwined with a percentage of danger built in with the ability to arm and defend ourselves. Add in the growing evil and mental health crisis of the present and terrible events can happen. A terrible tradeoff for sure but I have no solutions.

 

[JD08]

Sebastian had to get rid of his pipe and cigarettes were removed from every tv show and movie so kids wouldn't seem them and think they were cool. But guns and killing in every show, movie and video game has no effect at all on kids.

 

[Tony4Canes]

Sebastian had to get rid of his pipe and cigarettes were removed from every tv show and movie so kids wouldn't seem them and think they were cool. But guns and killing in every show, movie and video game has no effect at all on kids.

Right but doesn’t every country have access to all that?

 

[JD08]

Right but doesn’t every country have access to all that?

It's just a component. Along with mental health, over prescription, poor child-rearing, and a bunch of other factors. People tend to rush to blame guns or politicians, but the UK has stabbing on the regular to the point where they're talking about making kitchen knives with blunt tips.

There is some missing component where people fail to see the value in a human life.

 

[RF-4CCane]

Sebastian had to get rid of his pipe and cigarettes were removed from every tv show and movie so kids wouldn't seem them and think they were cool. But guns and killing in every show, movie and video game has no effect at all on kids.

The irony is thick isn’t it. During the 70’s and 80’s liquor advertisements were banned by the Federal government because they might influence kids. Then cigarette advertisements were banned for the same reason, but we are led to believe that movies and video games that glorify killing, John Wick for example, have no effect on children?
I played a sniper video game that was advertised on a WWII reenactment game I play, because I am a long range marksmen.
I played it for about 20 minutes before I was sickened by it. The targets weren’t jihadists or snipers, they were for the most part unarmed “bad guys” or contract killings. If it can effect a veteran, gun enthusiast and hunter, it **** sure can effect kids.