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kryptonite said:
I'm not trying to call you a racist for asking the question, it just baffles me when people get upset that they aren't allowed to use a term but others are. Like why do you care? Was saying n!@@er such a big part of your life that it's hard to quit? I really don't think it was, so think about how silly it is to be bothered by this.

And to answer the question, probably nobody should be saying it. But can you really not see the difference between black people trying to own a hurtful term and people of the race that used to enslave them using it?[/QUO
Like I said you have two stances that don't make sense.your saying nobody should use while basically saying it's ok in certain situations.isn't that being a hypocrite.for your information I was brought up to respect other people and they're properly no matter who or what they are.on the inside everybody is the same.everybody has a brain,heart,blood etc and everybody puts their pants on the same way.
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kryptonite said:
Nobody would have listened before now. And what about it? Couldn't you have said 3 days after that statue went up "why didn't you complain the first day"? You don't get to negate an argument by saying it was made on the wrong day.
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You mean when Obama was president people wouldn’t have listened? It all started when Spellings was hired
 
kryptonite said:
It doesn't matter who wanted what. Statues of dudes who owned slaves or fought to keep the right to own slaves are fcking offensive. I'm very, very rarely offended, but that does it. And this isn't forgetting history, it's stopping the celebration of a part of it.
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That’s a blanket statement that dilutes history. George Washington owned slaves, should we take all of his monuments down?
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
You mean when Obama was president people wouldn’t have listened? It all started when Spellings was hired
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Maybe some are trying to use this for their own personal gain...that's a thing that happens quite often. But that doesn't change the fact that it's racist and offensive to have statues of racists on your campus.
 
kryptonite said:
Maybe some are trying to use this for their own personal gain...that's a thing that happens quite often. But that doesn't change the fact that it's racist and offensive to have statues of racists on your campus.
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That’s exactly what it is more than not and what it was in this case. If you don’t remember this was tied into the Mizzou ordeal. The black kid that claimed Mizzou was so racist and expensive had his college paid for by his millionaire dad and had been a student there for 7 years. He lied about the racist kids driving by. He in no way believed that campus was that bad or he would’ve left. He saw an opportunity and seized it
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
That’s a blanket statement that dilutes history. George Washington owned slaves, should we take all of his monuments down?
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Personally I'm cool with George, but I don't have much of an argument if you want to take his statues down. And I say that as somebody who lives a few blocks from the Washington Monument. The real Washington Monument, which, as I'm sure you know, is in Baltimore and is older than that boring thing in DC. Got a statue of George right on top. So it would make my neighborhood a less cool place in my eyes, but you can take it down if you'd like.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
That’s exactly what it is more than not and what it was in this case. If you don’t remember this was tied into the Mizzou ordeal. The black kid that claimed Mizzou was so racist and expensive had his college paid for by his millionaire dad and had been a student there for 7 years. He lied about the racist kids driving by. He in no way believed that campus was that bad or he would’ve left. He saw an opportunity and seized it
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You can talk all night, but the confederate statues are still racist. Doesn't matter the politics behind it, it's racist.
 
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kryptonite said:
You can talk all night, but the confederate statues are still racist. Doesn't matter the politics behind it, it's racist.
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A lot of history is bad and hurtful, nobody is arguing that. I’m just on the side of not whitewashing it and teaching kids about it so it doesn’t happen again.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
The Silent Sam statue was unveiled in 1913 to honor the 1,000 plus students and faculty that fought in the civil war. That’s decades before the civil rights movement and before anybody got “uppity.” It’s one of many “silent” statues, meaning there was no ammo cartridge on his belt so he can’t fire the gun. It’s simply a memorial. It’s manufactured rage.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
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It's amazing that someone that wants to discuss history has such a flawed understanding of it. We didn't magically start asking for our rights back in 1954. It was a long road to that point, and as has been pointed out by others, an overwhelming majority of Confederate monuments were raised at the beginning of Jim Crow, and another boom period was in the 20s.

By the way, don't you find it odd that people are willing to stand up for people that committed TREASON? I'm sorry but it's hilarious how the same people who get ****ed about Colin taking a knee have no problem with monuments being erected to people who were willing to secede out of the Union, because they were afraid that someone would take away their ability to own other people.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
A lot of history is bad and hurtful, nobody is arguing that. I’m just on the side of not whitewashing it and teaching kids about it so it doesn’t happen again.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the ultimate straw man. No one is saying to whitewash history, people are saying that it's complete crap to honor these people with statues. There's a difference between having nuanced, rational conversations about historical figures, and having statues raised to people that committed treason, or people that actively fought to oppress their fellow citizen.
 
Twhizman said:
Oh is a state school too .it receives state money like any public institution.
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I don't get how anyone cannot grasp that OU is a state school, due to them being heavily funded by the state, and having an instate vs. out of state tuition funding structure. By the way, OU is the flagship institution of the State of Oklahoma, much like the University of Florida is the flagship of the state of Florida(Well the public schools at least). This isn't a complicated concept to grasp.
 
Canedude08 said:
Ladies and gentlemen, the ultimate straw man. No one is saying to whitewash history, people are saying that it's complete crap to honor these people with statues. There's a difference between having nuanced, rational conversations about historical figures, and having statues raised to people that committed treason, or people that actively fought to oppress their fellow citizen.
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There is no such that as rational conversations anymore. A study just came out and found over 60% of milinials don’t know what Auschwitz was. And don’t believe 2 million Jews were killed. Kids are brainwashed these days. Everything is racist. Trump is Hitler. History is being downplayed and whitewashed everyday. If everybody got their way, there would be nothing left
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
There is no such that as rational conversations anymore. A study just came out and found over 60% of milinials don’t know what Auschwitz was. And don’t believe 2 million Jews were killed. Kids are brainwashed these days. Everything is racist. Trump is Hitler. History is being downplayed and whitewashed everyday. If everybody got their way, there would be nothing left
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Where did you find this so called study? Who was asked? Let me fill you in on how this poll was conducted.

1,350 people, of which 31% were in that age group. Hardly a representative sample of anything, especially when one looks at how people have become more sophisticated in regards to identifying a poll. Who knows how many people in that sample were being pricks and just ******** around.
 
Canedude08 said:
Where did you find this so called study? Who was asked? Let me fill you in on how this poll was conducted.

1,350 people, of which 31% were in that age group. Hardly a representative sample of anything, especially when one looks at how people have become more sophisticated in regards to identifying a poll. Who knows how many people in that sample were being pricks and just ******** around.
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Yes small example. But It’s a growing problem, being around millennials all the time. And they demand things and don’t go about it the right way. There are no actual conversations.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
There is no such that as rational conversations anymore. A study just came out and found over 60% of milinials don’t know what Auschwitz was. And don’t believe 2 million Jews were killed. Kids are brainwashed these days.
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Well according to your logic, maybe we should just fly flags with Swatstikas & erect statues of Adolf Hitler & Eichmann since that's the only way to teach kids about history...right?
 
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