OT: Eddie Robinson Jr was right?

[Cribby]

Just like Mario did with Oregon and every other coach before him.

Yes the only difference is he was selling it as if it was more than what it was. Anyone in coaching circles knew he was doing whatever he could to get the fastest route to a power five gig. His agent has been a busy man the last two years. Like I said he’s a great salesman with charm and very smart. His plan worked like a charm. Respect.

 

[rsa coral gables]

Having breakfast this morning with Carter I mentioned Deion Sanders was going to be Colorado's next head coach, and he asked imo a really good question.

"Why is he leaving? What happened to the whole HBCU thing he was doing? If I were Travis Hunter I'd be mad."

Does the whole thing he did there and what he was pitching now look funny in the light now that he's going somewhere that he was trying to convince young black players not to go to? To come to a HBCU and lift it up?

I heard his announcement to his team. He said essentially you either move up or get terminated down the road. I immediately thought about Robinson. It’s a “me” move. But that’s Deion

 

[Canedude08]

My fellow HBCU alumni feel a way. Honestly though, I think most if not all coaches would end up doing the exact same thing. If a P5 school with money and facilities is desperate to give you money and power, who is saying no?

The issue is that unlike Larry Scott, Rod Broadway or Buddy Pough, career coaches that a big payday would be life changing for, Deion didn't need the money. He ran around talking about being "For the Culture" and uplifting, when in reality, it was always a con. He NEVER cared about HBCUs until FSU laughed him out of the room, due to him being underqualified for a major job. He wanted to be a HC, but he didn't want to climb the ladder. He wanted a school desperate enough to give him the reins, to where he could pull his "Last Chance U" thing, and then bail out when a larger school came along. He zeroed in on HBCUs, because in his eyes, they were suckers. Look what happened. Dude was trying to get out of Jackson within months of showing up. Dude had his agent linking him to **** near every single P5 job that opened up in the last two years.

 

[MedleyCane]

Keep in mind that the alums and fan bases of us HBCUs pail in comparison to major programs.

Fair point.
By same token, a lot of these HBCUs have fairly decent sized following, including well known folks who show up for Homecoming, etc....need to tap into that.

 

[MedleyCane]

The issue is that unlike Larry Scott, Rod Broadway or Buddy Pough, career coaches that a big payday would be life changing for, Deion didn't need the money. He ran around talking about being "For the Culture" and uplifting, when in reality, it was always a con. He NEVER cared about HBCUs until FSU laughed him out of the room, due to him being underqualified for a major job. He wanted to be a HC, but he didn't want to climb the ladder. He wanted a school desperate enough to give him the reins, to where he could pull his "Last Chance U" thing, and then bail out when a larger school came along. He zeroed in on HBCUs, because in his eyes, they were suckers. Look what happened. Dude was trying to get out of Jackson within months of showing up. Dude had his agent linking him to **** near every single P5 job that opened up in the last two years.

How is this any different than what Saban did to the Dolphins which, btw, I didn't think was a big deal....he had to do what was best for him regardless if local soFla media and DolFans were butthurt because he "lied" to them.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

And so we shouldn’t hold them accountable or be disappointed when they do?

Did any of yall truly believe prime was gonna stay at a hbcu his entire career?

I hope not because that isnt very smart.

Maybe hold people in important positions accountable for their lies first.

 

[301cane]

Norvell seems to have at least righted the ship for now so FSU job isn't coming open for a couple years, not sure how much better he can do at Jackson St after going undefeated this year. He decided to get while the getting's good, but I am a tad surprised it was Colorado, that team has been ****e for years now but $5mil a year talks. Viva free enterprise!!!

Oh, and this; not exactly Nostradamus but it will do for now.

 

[JHallCanes]

I’m iffy on this topic @DHucks

I nvr attended a HBCU, but as a Greek, I’ve been to plenty of HBCU campuses. I know the history of HBCU & what they mean to our community, but also its underrated illustrious history to sports.

Here’s y I’m iffy:

It’s a person’s job to move up the ladder. If Deion was at any other FCS level school, built them up, brought notoriety to their program, & then moved to a better financial opportunity, there would be no fuss. It would be a “way to go, Coach Prime.” For that, I have no issues.

On the other side, Deion does so much got **** talking; &, so for him to gas up HBCU’s & point his finger at other institutions along w/ the young men for choosing those institutions over HBCU’s, JUST to go to one of these same institutions he was critical of, well now he looks like a hypocrite. In essence, what he did was not altruistic vs. a ploy to bring notoriety to himself.

That’s where I have a problem. If Sanders would’ve accepted a HBCU job as HC, talked about its history, his pride in being able to carry on its legacy, etc. then made a jump, I don’t think the fall out or call outs would be that great. It’s the finger pointing, convincing of young men to come there vs. a P5 b/c of him & what he’s trying to re-establish at the HBCU level, then leave…that’s the sour taste.

I tried explaining how I felt but realized you already did it better. Spot on.

 

[CaneSinceForEver]

The issue is that unlike Larry Scott, Rod Broadway or Buddy Pough, career coaches that a big payday would be life changing for, Deion didn't need the money. He ran around talking about being "For the Culture" and uplifting, when in reality, it was always a con. He NEVER cared about HBCUs until FSU laughed him out of the room, due to him being underqualified for a major job. He wanted to be a HC, but he didn't want to climb the ladder. He wanted a school desperate enough to give him the reins, to where he could pull his "Last Chance U" thing, and then bail out when a larger school came along. He zeroed in on HBCUs, because in his eyes, they were suckers. Look what happened. Dude was trying to get out of Jackson within months of showing up. Dude had his agent linking him to **** near every single P5 job that opened up in the last two years.

There's College coaches that "climb the ladder" that turn out to be terrible College coaches...then there's College coaches that were long time position coaches (Urban & Dabo) that turn out to be good. You never know, it's all crap shoot in the end.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Just like Mario did with Oregon and every other coach before him.

Blah, blah. Mario left Oregon because momma was calling. Sanders was no different when he played football and baseball. Is what it is. ***** the Nole.

 

[YST Cane]

Depends on what the mission is. Is the mission to be a feeder for the NFL, or to produce young Black College graduates? When you focus on the mission, the decisions get easier. What is the value in being a feeder to the NFL when the percentage of Black male College graduates is falling? What does the community get from sending an Antonio Brown to the Pros? Personally, I think it is a bad fit. I think we should emulate the Ivy’s not the SEC. Create generations of leadership in medicine, business, politics, industry, etc., we already have the entertainment sector on lock!!! That won’t change whether the kid plays at JSU, or at Alabama. Honestly, we need more Byron Allen’s, not more Prime Times!!!

Man all that ain’t got nothing to do with Deion. Whose mission is it? Deion or EVERY coach? And it’s silly to say we need more Byron Allen’s and not more Deions, why not both? That either or mentality is what’s wrong with people now.

 

[DHucks]

What does it tell us when the one guy who never attended or played a down for an HBCU was their biggest ambassador for the schools and athletic programs? It shouldn't be this way especially considering the legacy of great athletes who hailed from those schools. And let's not give a pass to alums in general, many of whom not only excelled and made alot of money in entertainment fields but talking about doctors, engineers, law professionals, and many other serious businessmen and women.
This goes for other sort of schools as well (looking at my FIU relatives who can't figure why their sports teams sucks).

Finally, kudos to your son for exploring those sort of questions. Sounds like you have a smart fella.

Points were made. It was really nice seeing somebody go in like he did and make such an impact. Going to suck seeing it fall back in to obscurity.

And thank you, he's set to graduate high school this year, at 16, very blessed

 

[DHucks]

No, He made HBCUs a legit landing spot for kids who otherwise would have gone to a lower level PWI, their ice ain't colder...well Jackson ain't got no clean drinking water but that's another matter LOL.

And how's Lil' Carter doing these days?

I laughed out loud literally

He's good, last year of high school this year, moving right along.

 

[DHucks]

I think he was doing right with teaching the young men there , giving a good message and did a lot for JSU. That said if you think he meant all that HBCU stuff and it being a destination you got played.

He used JSU and got what everyone knew he wanted “ a power five gig”. Deion has always been a salesman with lots of charm. People with those characteristics tend to manipulate folks and they can’t see it. If was always whats best for him , he was just able to do positives for JSU while he was trying to do him. It’s a selfish game now and it was always a business relationship.

And that's what Eddie was saying when he said Sanders wasn't SWAC. Sanders didn't like being called out and exposed like that by how he responded to it.

I thought about all this last night, but it wasn't until Carter mentioned it to me that I realized how far that message got with black youth. Carter was literally peeved by the whole thing more than I thought he would be. And that's where my concern really lies with this, are the kids.

What's the message being sent to the young men now? Young men got crossed up pretty good. As grown men, most us knew, some were hoping it wasn't what we were thinking.

I see these young men going back to what it was before, big university. If Sanders didn't stick around, why should I even entertain HBCU?

End of the day, he did his thing at Jackson and it was dope, hopefully somebody can come in and continue what he started.

 

[Cribby]

And that's what Eddie was saying when he said Sanders wasn't SWAC. Sanders didn't like being called out and exposed like that by how he responded to it.

I thought about all this last night, but it wasn't until Carter mentioned it to me that I realized how far that message got with black youth. Carter was literally peeved by the whole thing more than I thought he would be. And that's where my concern really lies with this, are the kids.

What's the message being sent to the young men now? Young men got crossed up pretty good. As grown men, most us knew, some were hoping it wasn't what we were thinking.

I see these young men going back to what it was before, big university. If Sanders didn't stick around, why should I even entertain HBCU?

End of the day, he did his thing at Jackson and it was dope, hopefully somebody can come in and continue what he started.

I always agreed with Eddies take. Deion had everyone blinded so they were defending him and ripping Eddie. Like he was jealous. But in reality he was speaking truth.

 

[skyman]

You’re missing what op’s original post was about. Maybe those coaches seen straight thru Deion’s self serving nature. I was watching a interview with a local reporter on YouTube and the reporter mentioned he was in a frat. Deion’s next statement was that he didn’t know anything about frats and he only attended Me Phi Me.. ijs..

I didnt miss the point, I dont know why people be mad about people telling you who they are.. Deion been told us "Must be the money".. But he elevated all profiles, mostly his self but if you dont know how to eat when the weather god bring rain and you complaining its too too much, dont get mad also when its back to a drought..

People gonna complain REGARDLESS..

 

[BishopEli]

He makes people call him coach prime… if y’all thought this was about anything but Deion I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[skyman]

Deion created a lane BECAUSE of his flair and he bring cameras/platform, now people want to complain about him being a marketing force and say he not swac and then when he leave complain about him leaving.. LULZ..

Plus he was paying for ALOT of stuff out of pocket

 

[MedleyCane]

And that's what Eddie was saying when he said Sanders wasn't SWAC. Sanders didn't like being called out and exposed like that by how he responded to it.

I thought about all this last night, but it wasn't until Carter mentioned it to me that I realized how far that message got with black youth. Carter was literally peeved by the whole thing more than I thought he would be. And that's where my concern really lies with this, are the kids.

What's the message being sent to the young men now? Young men got crossed up pretty good. As grown men, most us knew, some were hoping it wasn't what we were thinking.

I see these young men going back to what it was before, big university. If Sanders didn't stick around, why should I even entertain HBCU?

End of the day, he did his thing at Jackson and it was dope, hopefully somebody can come in and continue what he started.

A lot of retired NFL and CFL players looking to get into coaching start at a HBCU, and it is not just African-Americans. It is of mutual benefit for the HBCU which often have small budget for coaches and for the retired players who have played with and against great coaches and players. So the school gets young coaches with much to offer whilst young coaches get their foot in the door....so I would say there exists a story to tell young African-American youth about HBCUs and how vital they are to student-athletes and coaching profession....it is no different than your local community colleges, fallback or commuter universities which serve a lot of folks who come from working class and underserved communities...those schools have been breeding grounds for many rags to riches stories...same can be said for HBCUs on and off the athletic fields.

 

[Santana Sosa]

Let's keep it a buck....there were signs. I don't knock him, but I never believed him.