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The fact that Jackson State University is located in a city that is currently struggling to provide running water and garbage collection service to its residents might have been a factor. Jackson, MS is currently a complete mess. I cannot blame Sanders for making a move away from there.
 
Rellyrell said:
Ur point is why I’m iffy. I don’t think anyone has a problem w/ him leaving, it’s the time frame. Many w/in the HBCU community feel betrayed b/c of his pre - hire antics. It’s like my cousin just texted me, who’s a ‘89 graduate of Southern U: I understand a man gotta eat & get his bread when offered, but don’t sell this pipe dream to kids who had offers at major schools, stating investing in the HBCU community when ur goal was to get the next gig as soon as available.

I kinda likened it to a preacher telling its members u’re going to **** if u commit adultery, but then they themselves commit adultery, & then blame it on the weakness of the flesh. Deion does a whole lotta preaching & he’s convincing, great gift of gab; all I’m saying is he didn’t need to add the extras when he accepted the job if his intent was not this professed “calling.”
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The pastor analogy was elite.
 
CaneInHeelCountry said:
Counter to this is…never claim you’re on a mission to save a community if you’re really just interested in moving up
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I've been biting my tongue on this issue. But, miss me with this HBCU ****.

Like most bureaucracies, the typical HBCU is filled with nepotism, corruption and gross incompetence. And, again, like most bureaucracies, HBCU's tend to be self-serving.

They don't serve their communities. That's a big fckn lie. Spike Lee accurately touched on this in School Daze. Yes, yes, The very thought of HBCU's makes certain white liberals and some black folks feel all warm and fuzzy inside. But, these schools literally have no impact on the lives of the average black person in the street, particularly the black underclass.

Some of the worst public schools in America, schools filled with predominately black children, are within a short walk from schools like Howard.

You'd literally have to threaten the students and admins at those universities with imprisonment to get them involved in those failing schools.

I volunteered at DC public school maybe a 4 min walk from campus. I remember thinking to myself, "How in the **** is a school in the shadow of Howard University this bad, especially when the university wraps itself in kente cloth?!"

While at Howard, I also worked on campus. I saw firsthand how business is run. It was disgraceful, a glorified scam that would probably be shuttered if not for the gvt funds that prop it up.

These things weren't isolated to Howard. To this very day, I swap war stories with my relatives who went to FAMU and BCC. Same ****e, different universities.

****, I remember when the state of Florida threatened to withhold the salaries of top FAMU admins because the school had a lot of funny accounting practices.

Most people or institutions pushing"black" anything are running a hustle. The sooner people realize that, the better off they'll be.

HBCU's, not all of them, were invaluable once upon a time. But, that time has long since passed. Since high achieving black h.s students are no longer hindered by segregation, they can go where they want (typically).

As a result, HBCU's across the board have lowered the bar. However, they're not serving "their communities" by admitting a bunch of kids who should be at JUCO and saddling them debt.

But, I digress.

Deion did his bid at JSU. Now it's time to unapologetically go get his money. Trust me. The same HBCU's that people are simping for are after their paper, even if it means stealing it while working in the financial aid office. Yes, that happened at Howard, too.
 
He planted a seed now it’s up to other coaches to try to follow … other universities too. There’s plenty momentum to feed off of even in his absence. I think people are just b****ing out of hate because of his success. It’s bs. Every coach uses a school to catapult or resurrect their career. He’s one man.. he can’t save the whole **** HBCU community.

Signed , Florida A&M 2007 graduate now alum.
 
Call me a hater. But Deion is more likely to be back in Broadcasting in 5-6 years than his next stop.

Loading up on high level national recruits and then beating up on schools like Miss Valley St does show me anything. When I saw his son throwing a TD with 3 minutes left vs Bethune Cookman up 41-8 I saw all I needed. Then his silly preaching, fake pride, etc. money shouldn’t be an issue for him so if he was committee to lifting that conf he would stick. I don’t fault him for moving up…if he didn’t put the act on for 3 years.

I’ll be rooting for every team Colorado plays. I hope Tcu put 60 on him week 1 next year.
 
HurricanePhilly said:
Call me a hater. But Deion is more likely to be back in Broadcasting in 5-6 years than his next stop.

Loading up on high level national recruits and then beating up on schools like Miss Valley St does show me anything. When I saw his son throwing a TD with 3 minutes left vs Bethune Cookman up 41-8 I saw all I needed. Then his silly preaching, fake pride, etc. money shouldn’t be an issue for him so if he was committee to lifting that conf he would stick. I don’t fault him for moving up…if he didn’t put the act on for 3 years.

I’ll be rooting for every team Colorado plays. I hope Tcu put 60 on him week 1 next year.
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When Miami was Miami (not Donna Shalala's dreadful impostors) we used to RUTS.

What's the problem?
 
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
Noo. He brought notoriety. Improved the facilities. Brought NIL deals. Won and gave kids second chances. He has done enough.

Travis Hunter will be able to follow Deion. Majority of those kids were going to end up at that level. Those who took a chance can now follow Deion to a higher level
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The question is how much of that goes away with him leaving the hbcu? Going to be an interesting couple of years to monitor how everything goes
 
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SFbayCane said:
The fact that Jackson State University is located in a city that is currently struggling to provide running water and garbage collection service to its residents might have been a factor. Jackson, MS is currently a complete mess. I cannot blame Sanders for making a move away from there.
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I don't blame em' either, they broke into His Son's car a few weeks ago, as well as breaking into His office during a game when He first got there. Funny because the first thing He mentioned about Boulder at His press conference is it's crime free LOL.
 
Rellyrell said:
Ur point is why I’m iffy. I don’t think anyone has a problem w/ him leaving, it’s the time frame. Many w/in the HBCU community feel betrayed b/c of his pre - hire antics. It’s like my cousin just texted me, who’s a ‘89 graduate of Southern U: I understand a man gotta eat & get his bread when offered, but don’t sell this pipe dream to kids who had offers at major schools, stating investing in the HBCU community when ur goal was to get the next gig as soon as available.

I kinda likened it to a preacher telling its members u’re going to **** if u commit adultery, but then they themselves commit adultery, & then blame it on the weakness of the flesh. Deion does a whole lotta preaching & he’s convincing, great gift of gab; all I’m saying is he didn’t need to add the extras when he accepted the job if his intent was not this professed “calling.”
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**** you keep nailing it.
 
I don’t think people realize the talent disparity between Jackson St and some of the teams they play.

I’m fine throwing the ball that late. But not with your Starting Qb who is also your son.

I know it won’t be a popular time with some. Esp our closet Fsu fans. I’ll gladly eat crow in 3-4 years if he is competing for the Pac12 and has Colorado humming along.
 
SonicYouth said:
I've been biting my tongue on this issue. But, miss me with this HBCU ****.

Like most bureaucracies, the typical HBCU is filled with nepotism, corruption and gross incompetence. And, again, like most bureaucracies, HBCU's tend to be self-serving.

They don't serve their communities. That's a big fckn lie. Spike Lee accurately touched on this in School Daze. Yes, yes, The very thought of HBCU's makes certain white liberals and some black folks feel all warm and fuzzy inside. But, these schools literally have no impact on the lives of the average black person in the street, particularly the black underclass.

Some of the worst public schools in America, schools filled with predominately black children, are within a short walk from schools like Howard.

You'd literally have to threaten the students and admins at those universities with imprisonment to get them involved in those failing schools.

I volunteered at DC public school maybe a 4 min walk from campus. I remember thinking to myself, "How in the **** is a school in the shadow of Howard University this bad, especially when the university wraps itself in kente cloth?!"

While at Howard, I also worked on campus. I saw firsthand how business is run. It was disgraceful, a glorified scam that would probably be shuttered if not for the gvt funds that prop it up.

These things weren't isolated to Howard. To this very day, I swap war stories with my relatives who went to FAMU and BCC. Same ****e, different universities.

****, I remember when the state of Florida threatened to withhold the salaries of top FAMU admins because the school had a lot of funny accounting practices.

Most people or institutions pushing"black" anything are running a hustle. The sooner people realize that, the better off they'll be.

HBCU's, not all of them, were invaluable once upon a time. But, that time has long since passed. Since high achieving black h.s students are no longer hindered by segregation, they can go where they want (typically).

As a result, HBCU's across the board have lowered the bar. However, they're not serving "their communities" by admitting a bunch of kids who should be at JUCO and saddling them debt.

But, I digress.

Deion did his bid at JSU. Now it's time to unapologetically go get his money. Trust me. The same HBCU's that people are simping for are after their paper, even if it means stealing it while working in the financial aid office. Yes, that happened at Howard, too.
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You said a mouth full that some can’t relate to. Texas Southern University grad here and you’re speaking the TRUTH!
 
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I don't know Deion obviously, but his persona seems contrived AF - so what? I'm not gonna hate, Neon is doing his thing. He doesn't owe me anything. He talks an amazing game - if his people and players buy into it, so be it - just enjoy the ride; but expect the crash - maybe.
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m iffy on this topic @DHucks

I nvr attended a HBCU, but as a Greek, I’ve been to plenty of HBCU campuses. I know the history of HBCU & what they mean to our community, but also its underrated illustrious history to sports.

Here’s y I’m iffy:

It’s a person’s job to move up the ladder. If Deion was at any other FCS level school, built them up, brought notoriety to their program, & then moved to a better financial opportunity, there would be no fuss. It would be a “way to go, Coach Prime.” For that, I have no issues.

On the other side, Deion does so much got **** talking; &, so for him to gas up HBCU’s & point his finger at other institutions along w/ the young men for choosing those institutions over HBCU’s, JUST to go to one of these same institutions he was critical of, well now he looks like a hypocrite. In essence, what he did was not altruistic vs. a ploy to bring notoriety to himself.

That’s where I have a problem. If Sanders would’ve accepted a HBCU job as HC, talked about its history, his pride in being able to carry on its legacy, etc. then made a jump, I don’t think the fall out or call outs would be that great. It’s the finger pointing, convincing of young men to come there vs. a P5 b/c of him & what he’s trying to re-establish at the HBCU level, then leave…that’s the sour taste.
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Yo Relly the Greek... two things come to mind with Deion. His MO is his tongue, and it's made him good money right? With a lot of people, when they put money and loyalty on a balance, money wins... and you can interchange loyalty with numerous other things like morality, honesty, etc... and money usually wins.
That's why I've led a comfortably modest life but sleep very soundly... even with my CPAP.
 
SonicYouth said:
I've been biting my tongue on this issue. But, miss me with this HBCU ****.

Like most bureaucracies, the typical HBCU is filled with nepotism, corruption and gross incompetence. And, again, like most bureaucracies, HBCU's tend to be self-serving.

They don't serve their communities. That's a big fckn lie. Spike Lee accurately touched on this in School Daze. Yes, yes, The very thought of HBCU's makes certain white liberals and some black folks feel all warm and fuzzy inside. But, these schools literally have no impact on the lives of the average black person in the street, particularly the black underclass.

Some of the worst public schools in America, schools filled with predominately black children, are within a short walk from schools like Howard.

You'd literally have to threaten the students and admins at those universities with imprisonment to get them involved in those failing schools.

I volunteered at DC public school maybe a 4 min walk from campus. I remember thinking to myself, "How in the **** is a school in the shadow of Howard University this bad, especially when the university wraps itself in kente cloth?!"

While at Howard, I also worked on campus. I saw firsthand how business is run. It was disgraceful, a glorified scam that would probably be shuttered if not for the gvt funds that prop it up.

These things weren't isolated to Howard. To this very day, I swap war stories with my relatives who went to FAMU and BCC. Same ****e, different universities.

****, I remember when the state of Florida threatened to withhold the salaries of top FAMU admins because the school had a lot of funny accounting practices.

Most people or institutions pushing"black" anything are running a hustle. The sooner people realize that, the better off they'll be.

HBCU's, not all of them, were invaluable once upon a time. But, that time has long since passed. Since high achieving black h.s students are no longer hindered by segregation, they can go where they want (typically).

As a result, HBCU's across the board have lowered the bar. However, they're not serving "their communities" by admitting a bunch of kids who should be at JUCO and saddling them debt.

But, I digress.

Deion did his bid at JSU. Now it's time to unapologetically go get his money. Trust me. The same HBCU's that people are simping for are after their paper, even if it means stealing it while working in the financial aid office. Yes, that happened at Howard, too.
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That’s an awful lot of digression, considering I’ve said nothing about the administration or worthiness of HBCUs, nor whether/how much they benefit their surrounding communities. I’m sure there have been impact assessments that would do a better job speaking to those issues than I ever could.

All I said was that Deion’s a fraud. Dude acted as though he was called by god to lead regime change at HBCUs and do all of the things that you say they’re not doing. He got a few big-name recruits with NIL deals and boosted JSUs facilities—which is great. But his overall impact will be negligible.
 
DHucks said:
Having breakfast this morning with Carter I mentioned Deion Sanders was going to be Colorado's next head coach, and he asked imo a really good question.

"Why is he leaving? What happened to the whole HBCU thing he was doing? If I were Travis Hunter I'd be mad."

Does the whole thing he did there and what he was pitching now look funny in the light now that he's going somewhere that he was trying to convince young black players not to go to? To come to a HBCU and lift it up?
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It was just to promote Deion, always is. Just watch him build hype in Colorado… it will be about him not the team.
 
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