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DMoney said:
My view is that Mario is personally an elite recruiter, but we aren't recruiting at an elite level. That's reserved for programs like Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State. Maybe Texas now.

Our biggest issue is building the brand. If Mario was at Ohio State, he'd never lose a kid. We need to overcome 20 years of bad ball.
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The biggest issue many completely forget when considering the state of the program. In the last few years, I’ve said many times it would take a transformational HC to dig us out the mediocrity we’ve seen for 2 decades. The jury is still out on whether or not Mario is that guy
 
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MumbleRap said:
When Mario had that Bama polo on you couldn’t tell him ****. He got who he wanted.

There’s maybe 5 coaches in America who could do what he’s done on trail since coming to Miami.
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MumbleRap said:
And all this “resources this, resources that” just because Mario has the most at UM does not mean it’s top notch. UM isn’t top 10 in resources allocated, just how it is. We’ve had many high profile commits come here for less because of relationships.
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So Mario was elite with an Alabama polo, Nick Saban and Alabama bags...

Got it.
 
Angry Ibis said:
So Mario was elite with an Alabama polo, Nick Saban and Alabama bags...

Got it.
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I think @DMoney laid it out best. People feel like Mario is an elite recruiter even though he hasn't been elite for Miami. Sort of like those Pac-12 championships used to justify barely being over .500 here. What he did elsewhere still carries more weight than what he has done here.
 
STG said:
I guess it all depends on what someone considers "elite." For me, that's delivering a top 5 class consistently and signing the most impactful players (top 100). By my standards, he is not elite. As you mentioned, he has "elite" traits (relentless, hard working, stubborn) etc., but that hasn't translated to "elite" results.

At Oregon he never produced a top 5 class. His classes finished 6th, 7th and 13th twice. At Miami, one top 5 class thus far. And that class was 10th in average player rating which I consider more important because it shows the quality of a class top to bottom. So in 7 classes, one top 5 result. Doesn't qualify as elite for me.

This is ELITE recruiting. Signed top 100 players the last 3 years.

Alabama: 31
Georgia: 30
Texas: 24
Ohio State: 21
Oregon: 17

Second Tier (not bad, just not elite)
Miami: 12
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Another perspective to add, I think being the top team in your conference is the standard. I don't think being a good or bad recruiter gets you the best class. It can definitely improve your floor and our floor was improved. Each of these teams was the cream of the crop (Texas-Big12, Oregon-Pac12) or is the top of their conference (Georgia, OH, Bama). I get that some teams have moved but the post is regarding the past 3 years. I think we will see the landscape shift if we exhibit that we can dominate the ACC finally.
 
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DMoney said:
My view is that Mario is personally an elite recruiter, but we aren't recruiting at an elite level. That's reserved for programs like Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State. Maybe Texas now.

Our biggest issue is building the brand. If Mario was at Ohio State, he'd never lose a kid. We need to overcome 20 years of bad ball.
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Compare those Elite programs actual on-field success the last 1-2 DECADES vs ours.
Those Elite programs you named are tier 1 in terms of actual on-field success and pay, and it leads to landing better recruits.

We have probably been what Tier 3 at best in terms of on-field success? Certainly not even close to tier 2 as a whole. Yet Mario has us recruiting like one of those fringe tier 1, high tier 2 programs. And I think chances are he is about to land his best class yet this year. Thought it'll probably also be his biggest...The only concern with the 2026 class I have so far is DT recruiting....

If you're consistently a top 25 program, you're really good. If you're consistently top 15 youre great, if youre like top 6 you're elite. But it's also relative. We havent even been a top 25 level program and Mario has us recruiting like a top 7-12 program... So he is an elite recruiter. And if we start winning Im willing to bet he will get us into the top 3-7 which would be clearly elite. Thought there still is NIL limits at the end of the day. I think it'll be obvious the level of recruiting steps up if we consistently win.
 
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Ryanmilli said:
We won 10 games last year for the 2nd time in 20 years and the other person that did it is a Hall of Famer. Not everything Mario does sucks.
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Of course not everything Mario does sucks… losing 3 of the last 4 and faceplanting with the #1 QB and offense does though…

When you win 10 games but lose 3 you should win, that is not an ideal victory lap…
 
cway313 said:
I think we can get to 3 this year (Ward, Martinez, Arroyo). I don't see that happening in 2025, but the roster isn't set.
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Next years not looking good. Francis will go early, but after that its a whole lot of DAY 3 guys. Beck is old,+ UCL, Bain doesn't have 1st round traits that will push him to day 2/day 3 even if he has a good year to leave early. Fletcher isn't as good of a prospect as Martinez + fumble issues, the rest of the oline are day 3 guys without position versatility.

Some of these highly paid sophmores need to make the jump this year or it will be 3 years of full mario classes that just aren't up to expectations of a 20+ million roster
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Of course not everything Mario does sucks… losing 3 of the last 4 and faceplanting with the #1 QB and offense does though…

When you win 10 games but lose 3 you should win, that is not an ideal victory lap…
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It's not, but it's way better than where we were pre-Mario when we weren't even relevant and you had to wait until the weekend preview shows got to the "and other games this weekend" in the last ten minutes to even hear us mentioned.

Last year was the ultimate double-edged sword. Easily, the most successful overall season in decades. and also the most disappointing because of how it ended. Both can be true.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Margin of victory over P4 teams:
24
4
1
7
22
22
28

Average: 15.4 point margin of victory

Margin of defeat to P4 teams:

5
4
1

Average: 3.3 point margin of defeat

Could have easily been 12-0 in the regular season and obviously likely beat Iowa State in the bowl if Cam plays the whole game. But also could have lost to VT (they were up to about an 85% chance to win with 11 minutes to go) and definitely should have lost to Cal.

All in all, I think our record was probably perfectly indicative of how good the team was. Could have gone 12-0, didn't lose a single game by more than 5 all year, obviously had over a 95% win expectancy against Syracuse and lost, but definitely should have lost to Cal.
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You’re right. But the fact is if we had only 2-3 more decent DBs we were a playoff team. Which is why I don’t understand why we’re being budget conscious right now with the last 4 spots of need.
 
DC3 said:
Next years not looking good. Francis will go early, but after that its a whole lot of DAY 3 guys. Beck is old,+ UCL, Bain doesn't have 1st round traits that will push him to day 2/day 3 even if he has a good year to leave early. Fletcher isn't as good of a prospect as Martinez + fumble issues, the rest of the oline are day 3 guys without position versatility.

Some of these highly paid sophmores need ot make the jump this year or it will be 3 years of full mario classes that just aren't up to expectations of a 20+ million roster
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Cookie917 said:
I am not a Mario apologist but he is our coach for the foreseeable future so I will support him and he obviously bleeds this **** and doesnt want to fail and works hard. I candidly always looked at him like our own Jim Harbaugh, signed a big contract after 4 years at Stanford and went through ups and downs.

Mario likewise spent 4 years at Oregon. Harbaugh went 8-5 (5-4 in conference) in year 3. Finished 3rd/3rd/4th in conference in his first 3 years. Year 4 was 8-1 in conference and 10-3 overall and they tied for first in the conference. Harbaugh also went 1-4 in bowl games in this time frame.

year 5 slight downturn to 9-4, then Covid was an off year, he went 2-4, post covid in 2021 however? 12-2; 13-1 and 12-0, first every year and won the championship in 2023.

Basically what I am saying is I think year 4 is very very important. If we make the playoffs and look good, I would be hella happy with a Michigan type run of 37-3 to follow.
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Jonnyblaze said:
It's not, but it's way better than where we were pre-Mario when we weren't even relevant and you had to wait until the weekend preview shows got to the "and other games this weekend" in the last ten minutes to even hear us mentioned.

Last year was the ultimate double-edged sword. Easily, the most successful overall season in decades. and also the most disappointing because of how it ended. Both can be true.
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It probably isn't the most successful season in the last decade. The 2017 team got to #2 in the nation and the last game of the regular season before falling part and played in the ACC title game. Beat FSU for the first time in years. Blowout win over top 5 ND. Earned a spot in the Orange Bowl. The big difference is Cam Ward is much better than Rosier so the 2024 team has a Heisman finalist and a #1 overall pick.
 
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