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E1k said:
A good thread on the RB topic

@gogeta4 your bucky point is the 2nd tweet in the thread, good point but I don’t think ras should be the end all end all be all for anyone even tho it is a very good baseline for a bunch of positions ceiling and floor
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Some people think this means nothing.

They're the people in Vegas hitting on 19 when the dealer's showing 6.

Statistics, Odds & Probabilities aren't for everyone.

But when @DMoney says Parrish "was a non-factor against higher level body types", and I say it's the same thing for Walton & Yearby - it shouldn't be a stretch for anyone to think their lack of athleticism most likely contributed to their lack of production.

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E1k said:
A good thread on the RB topic

@gogeta4 your bucky point is the 2nd tweet in the thread, good point but I don’t think ras should be the end all end all be all for anyone even tho it is a very good baseline for a bunch of positions ceiling and floor
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on the bolded is what i believe as well.

On the gawddd Mark Walton i stand by that he was a slightly better Myles Gaskin. Cant really be judged to tough on being the 3rd back at Cincy where the bell cow was there...and the 2nd rb had a poor ypc as well, and then the dolphins worst ol ever the next year for 7 games before his mental health illness took over.

Whats crazy is Myles Gasken actually played last year and got 3 carries somewhere. He has eeked out everything he could...something i think Walton would of did had he been stable with his meds,etc. Watching dolphins from otas to preseason and in szn he appeared to be a better back than Gaskin. That year ryan fitzpatrick led us in rushing smh lol
 
gogeta4 said:
on the bolded is what i believe as well.

On the gawddd Mark Walton i stand by that he was a slightly better Myles Gaskin. Cant really be judged to tough on being the 3rd back at Cincy where the bell cow was there...and the 2nd rb had a poor ypc as well, and then the dolphins worst ol ever the next year for 7 games before his mental health illness took over.

Whats crazy is Myles Gasken actually played last year and got 3 carries somewhere. He has eeked out everything he could...something i think Walton would of did had he been stable with his meds,etc. Watching dolphins from otas to preseason and in szn he appeared to be a better back than Gaskin. That year ryan fitzpatrick led us in rushing smh lol
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You CAN judge Walton on his 2018 rookie season in Cincy, but you won't....because he sucked.

Walton 2018 - 1.0 Pre-season YPC & 2.4 Regular season YPC (but Gio Bernard's 3.8 YPC was poor?)

Walton's play is the main reason why the Bengals cut him, not because of his 4 game suspension.

As far as Walton being a better RB in the Dolphins preseason 2019 - You like Walton, so you see what you want to see...but how was Walton (2.6 YPC) better than Gaskin (3.8) & Laird (4.6)?

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The stats point to the opposite of everything you're saying.
 
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bshaw28 said:
Some people think this means nothing.

They're the people in Vegas hitting on 19 when the dealer's showing 6.

Statistics, Odds & Probabilities aren't for everyone.

But when @DMoney says Parrish "was a non-factor against higher level body types", and I say it's the same thing for Walton & Yearby - it shouldn't be a stretch for anyone to think their lack of athleticism most likely contributed to their lack of production.

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bshaw28 said:
You CAN judge Walton on his 2018 rookie season in Cincy, but you won't....because he sucked.

Walton 2018 - 1.0 Pre-season YPC & 2.4 Regular season YPC (but Gio Bernard's 3.8 YPC was poor?)

Walton's play is the main reason why the Bengals cut him, not because of his 4 game suspension.

As far as Walton being a better RB in the Dolphins preseason 2019 - You like Walton, so you see what you want to see...but how was Walton (2.6 YPC) better than Gaskin (3.8) & Laird (4.6)?

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The stats point to the opposite of everything you're saying.
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are you a dolphin fan and did you watch them in the pre szn...did you go to practices?.

The 14 carries his rookie year really really showed enough lol

*He was cut by them because he got arrested 3 times in 3 months, the 4 game suspension was with the dolphins.

I like Walton no sh*t im a cane fan. I like all of the canes players.

But im also a dolphin fan and saw enough to say what i said in reference to him being more talented than Gaskin which isnt some huge feat.. lol He started over them until he picked up a fourth arrest in one year.

Shou tout to Gaskin though still being in the league as a 7th round pick. If Mark Walton wasnt mentally ill and not counseled or medicated he likely carves out asolid career as well with his special teams and receiving ability is all im tryna get at it with him.

All the sucks against power 4 etc im in agreement with you.
 
gacaneaddict said:
Mark Fletcher was 6th in ACC in YPC with RBs with at least 100 carries.

He has soft hands out of the backfield as a WR.

I think we see best version of him this season.
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He’s slimmed down, spent the entire off season on S&C. Dude is going to bust out. I think we’re vastly underestimating him. Just don't fumble the ball.
 
grover said:
He’s slimmed down, spent the entire off season on S&C. Dude is going to bust out. I think we’re vastly underestimating him. Just don't fumble the ball.
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I hope he does but we also have to understand there is a big enough sample size for us to just say he is what he is..I know the off season is the time to think every player is primed for a break out but most times it’s not the case
 
E1k said:
I hope he does but we also have to understand there is a big enough sample size for us to just say he is what he is..I know the off season is the time to think every player is primed for a break out but most times it’s not the case
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I don’t know about that. A lot of players take their biggest step in Y3 and he was recovering from a pretty serious injury all off season last year. You may be right but I personally think Fletcher has a lot more upside. Mario sure glows about him and Lyle (and the young WRs) in all the recent interviews he’s been doing.
 
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grover said:
I don’t know about that. A lot of players take their biggest step in Y3 and he was recovering from a pretty serious injury all off season last year. You may be right but I personally think Fletcher has a lot more upside. Mario sure glows about him and Lyle (and the young WRs) in all the recent interviews he’s been doing.
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Im not saying players don’t break out in year3, im saying usually when there is a big sample size showing something different of what u think a break out would be then we should take that in consideration to predict the future

And of course mario raves about him lol, i think he’s a good back but not someone u want as your lead back…That’s if our expectation is winning the acc and/or making the playoffs, if it’s not then i concede.
 
grover said:
I don’t know about that. A lot of players take their biggest step in Y3 and he was recovering from a pretty serious injury all off season last year. You may be right but I personally think Fletcher has a lot more upside. Mario sure glows about him and Lyle (and the young WRs) in all the recent interviews he’s been doing.
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Kohl's chemical not only is what you're saying logical but it's also the case. Fletch is a lot better than people on here give him credit for. My only issue with him has been he can run a little bit soft for being that big. But when he gets it in his head the boy is pretty **** difficult to deal with.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Kohl's chemical not only is what you're saying logical but it's also the case. Fletch is a lot better than people on here give him credit for. My only issue with him has been he can run a little bit soft for being that big. But when he gets it in his head the boy is pretty **** difficult to deal with.
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he was also coming off an injury last year that some people thought might keep him off the field all year.
other programs seem to think hes pretty good.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Kohl's chemical not only is what you're saying logical but it's also the case. Fletch is a lot better than people on here give him credit for. My only issue with him has been he can run a little bit soft for being that big. But when he gets it in his head the boy is pretty **** difficult to deal with.
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My biggest issue with fletcher is he's often playing off balance. He left a good chunk of yards and first downs on the field because he was tripping himself over.

Guy's his size don't have a lot of bend. Fletcher needs to play big, run upright, hit the hole with speed and keep his legs moving forward. Turn his limitation into an advantage by forcing the second level of the defence to make a business decision. Not too many linebackers are going to get a clean shot on him and every DB is going to think twice about tackling him head on.

That's what makes D-Henry so special. The only way I see Fletcher being great is if he learns to play the style his body type is blessed with and plays fearlessly.
 
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Walton re-classified and had a low ypc his tf year at a higher level of competition.
2016 was a complete season where he rushed for over 1,000 yds and had 3 100 yard games against conf. opponents. Ypc went up by almost 2 yds.
Was injured for most of the 2017 season.

Just don't see how he can be judged on anything other than 2016 (at collegiate level).
Additionally, most back feast against the weak sister programs.
 
Mark Walton is clearly WAY below Duke, Martinez, Homer, Deejay Dallas, and Joe Yearby. IMO he's clearly above CamRon Harris, Chaney, Knighton, Crawford, etc.
I'd probably say it's a coin flip leaning towards Walton over Henry Parrish. Similar with Gus Edwards - IF we only look at what he did at Miami. Though I think it was clear Gus could have been more here and then better than Walton...

So like was Walton a great RB? No. Clearly not. Was he solid? Yes. Again I like him FAR more than Camron Harris. But I also really didn't like Harris...
 
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