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Calinative said:
Mark Walton is clearly WAY below Duke, Martinez, Homer, Deejay Dallas, and Joe Yearby. IMO he's clearly above CamRon Harris, Chaney, Knighton, Crawford, etc.
I'd probably say it's a coin flip leaning towards Walton over Henry Parrish. Similar with Gus Edwards - IF we only look at what he did at Miami. Though I think it was clear Gus could have been more here and then better than Walton...

So like was Walton a great RB? No. Clearly not. Was he solid? Yes. Again I like him FAR more than Camron Harris. But I also really didn't like Harris...
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sounds fair
 
bshaw28 said:
Some people think this means nothing.

They're the people in Vegas hitting on 19 when the dealer's showing 6.

Statistics, Odds & Probabilities aren't for everyone.

But when @DMoney says Parrish "was a non-factor against higher level body types", and I say it's the same thing for Walton & Yearby - it shouldn't be a stretch for anyone to think their lack of athleticism most likely contributed to their lack of production.

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Yearby was actually good. Only knock on him was Speed. Take Yearby as a #2 any time . Walton & Parrish didn’t do well vs Good Competition.
 
Ahhhh..the offseason. Gotta love it. Tis’ the season for everyone to get their post count up with weird and useless debates and arguments. Only on CIS. I thought there was actual updates on the transfer Brown. What was I thinking? Smh. Carry on.
 
Yall be ready to @bshaw28 anytime a RB discussion comes up so yall can deal with his Walton disdain. At least he comes with data to try and prove his points instead of talking out his *** like most do.

I wish yall had that same energy for ppl that would dog on players like Shaq, Ivey, or Flagg
 
Calinative said:
Mark Walton is clearly WAY below Duke, Martinez, Homer, Deejay Dallas, and Joe Yearby. IMO he's clearly above CamRon Harris, Chaney, Knighton, Crawford, etc.
I'd probably say it's a coin flip leaning towards Walton over Henry Parrish. Similar with Gus Edwards - IF we only look at what he did at Miami. Though I think it was clear Gus could have been more here and then better than Walton...

So like was Walton a great RB? No. Clearly not. Was he solid? Yes. Again I like him FAR more than Camron Harris. But I also really didn't like Harris...
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Well put

Compared to drafted Cane RB's - Duke/Miller/homer/Dallas/Martinez - Walton is clearly a step below

Compared to undrafted Cane RB's - everyone has their guys they liked more than others, but this is the group Walton should be compared to.

Walton's a solid college RB - but an undrafted level talent who happened to get drafted in the 4th RD.
 
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bshaw28 said:
Compared to drafted Cane RB's - Duke/Miller/homer/Dallas/Martinez - Walton is clearly a step below

Compared to undrafted Cane RB's - everyone has their guys they liked more than others, but this is the group Walton should be compared to.
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Maybe he should be compared to the drafted Cane RBs since he played RB for the Canes and got drafted.

That would seem to make more logical sense, but it's not an emotional issue for me so I look at it differently.
 
DMoney said:
Maybe he should be compared to the drafted Cane RBs since he played RB for the Canes and got drafted.

That would seem to make more logical sense, but it's not an emotional issue for me so I look at it differentl
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Stats don't have emotions.

When you say "Walton should be compared against other drafted Canes" - what do you think this is?

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When you see Walton at the bottom and say "he's an average runner" - is that logical?

When I say Walton is more like the Undrafted group - is that logical?

@DMoney - Until you acknowledge the stats, college or pros, you don't have much of a case.
 
Mark Walton is a sensitive subject for us all.

If you're not emotionally connected to this topic, you just might be a gator.
 
bshaw28 said:
Stats don't have emotions.
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NFL teams don't draft on stats. They certainly don't draft on custom @bshaw28 stats with a 1.5 game sample size during his junior year.

The NFL drafts based on skill. Before the draft, I said Walton would get drafted because of his skills in the passing game and his adequate running ability (particularly near the goalline). That's what happened. NFL.com projected him as a 4th rounder, comped him to James White because of his receiving ability, and included this quote from an NFL scouting director:

"I think he's going to fall but only because he's coming out in a season where there are so many backs. That position will be devalued and you might be able to grab him later than you might expect for a player who can help you on all three downs." -- AFC team scouting director

When Walton got to the NFL, he started for the Dolphins (the second-most pass happy team in the league) and would've continued to play a role there if not for personal issues. This paticular skillset is what's consistently missing from your essays, and why you're struggling to understand the reasoning of the NFL.

Again, I think some people have a distorted view on how difficult it is to get drafted. We're talking about less than 25% of four stars, and a tiny percentage of college players overall. It's even harder to actually start for any of the 32 teams.

There is a clear talent difference between an NFL starter and guys like Parrish and Yearby who didn't even get an UDFA deal. It seems like common sense, but we've wasted a lot of time fighting about this obvious point.
 
DMoney said:
NFL teams don't draft on stats. They certainly don't draft on custom @bshaw28 stats with a 1.5 game sample size during his junior year.

The NFL drafts based on skill. Before the draft, I said Walton would get drafted because of his skills in the passing game and his adequate running ability (particularly near the goalline). That's what happened. NFL.com projected him as a 4th rounder, comped him to James White because of his receiving ability, and included this quote from an NFL scouting director:

"I think he's going to fall but only because he's coming out in a season where there are so many backs. That position will be devalued and you might be able to grab him later than you might expect for a player who can help you on all three downs." -- AFC team scouting director

When Walton got to the NFL, he started for the Dolphins (the second-most pass happy team in the league) and would've continued to play a role there if not for personal issues. This paticular skillset is what's consistently missing from your essays, and why you're struggling to understand the reasoning of the NFL.

Again, I think some people have a distorted view on how difficult it is to get drafted. We're talking about less than 25% of four stars, and a tiny percentage of college players overall. It's even harder to actually start for any of the 32 teams.

There is a clear talent difference between an NFL starter and guys like Parrish and Yearby who didn't even get an UDFA deal. It seems like common sense, but we've wasted a lot of time fighting about this obvious point.
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About the pass catching & goaline stats I'm ignoring....

Care to explain why the Dolphins 7th/UFA RB's Receiving stats are better than their 4th Rounders?

Care to explain why Walton is the only RB without a TD?

Care to explain why you don't think ALL these RB's aren't "NFL Starters" (only Walton)?

If you agree with Lance Zierleins RD4-5/James White projection/comp for Walton, than you'll agree with his RD3-4/Rashad Jennings projection/comp for Kalen Ballage, right?

As always - how you play (my point) is more important than where you got drafted (your point)

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DMoney said:
They all played on the same NFL team. Walton started over them.

Hard to find a more direct comparison than that.
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As always - No acknowledgment of any stats, and no answers to any of my questions. Shocker.

Just projections & depth charts.

As always - I'll address your points:

Like I said before - you can take Walton out of any argument you make and insert Kalen Ballage.

Example: "They all played fore the same team. Ballage started over Laird & Gaskin (therefore Ballage is better)." Gaskin & Laird playing better than Ballage is completely irrelevant to you.

The "depth charts & draft projections are never wrong" corner you've painted yourself into to prove your point while completely ignoring the stats/how they actually played is....sad

All that matters is how they played. Whether Walton was 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th on the depth chart (and he was each of those) when he got his touches doesn't matter. All that matters is what he did with those touches.
 
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bshaw28 said:
As always - No acknowledgment of any stats, and no answers to any of my questions. Shocker.

Just projections & depth charts.

As always - I'll address your points:

Like I said before - you can take Walton out of any argument you make and insert Kalen Ballage.

Example: "They all played fore the same team. Ballage started over Laird & Gaskin (therefore Ballage is better)." Gaskin & Laird playing better than Ballage is completely irrelevant to you.

The "depth charts & draft projections are never wrong" corner you've painted yourself into to prove your point while completely ignoring the stats/how they actually played is....sad

All that matters is how they played. Whether Walton was 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th on the depth chart (and he was each of those) when he got his touches doesn't matter. All that matters is what he did with those touches.
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Just to recap:

-Thomas Brown (NFL OC) was wrong to start Walton over Yearby

- The NFL was wrong in its pre-draft evaluation of Walton

- Brian Flores was wrong to start Walton over Gaskin

The other possibility is that, instead of all the different professionals being wrong, the message board poster with an emotional investment in Walton might be missing something.
 
DMoney said:
Just to recap:

-Thomas Brown (NFL OC) was wrong to start Walton over Yearby

- The NFL was wrong in its pre-draft evaluation of Walton

- Brian Flores was wrong to start Walton over Gaskin

The other possibility is that, instead of all the different professionals being wrong, the message board poster with an emotional investment in Walton might be missing something.
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You do realize how much time you spend on this site questioning the coaches decisions and who should/shouldn't be playing more, right? Kind of ironic when it comes to Walton you take a "coaches can't be wrong" stance

Take Walton out of it if you think I'm being emotional, and insert Kallen Ballage.

Do you think the NFL was wrong in projecting Kalen Ballage as a 3-4 RD pick (same guy who projected Walton as a 4-5 RD)?

Do you think Brian Flores was wrong to start Ballage over Gaskin?

I'd say the NFL & Flores were wrong on both. What do you think?
 
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DMoney said:
Just to recap:

-Thomas Brown (NFL OC) was wrong to start Walton over Yearby

- The NFL was wrong in its pre-draft evaluation of Walton

- Brian Flores was wrong to start Walton over Gaskin

The other possibility is that, instead of all the different professionals being wrong, the message board poster with an emotional investment in Walton might be missing something.
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It's pretty obvious Walton was the starter because of the real threat he would kill on of the above mentioned in each scenario. Well played by Mark honestly.
 
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