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WaterburyCane said:
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Caught ya my good man. Shuffle off to the Buffaloes. Yeeesh. I don’t think anyone will confuse you with Benny Hill with that type of jibber jabber. You are in the books. Have a good day sir.

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It's technically a reference to Burn Notice. "Shuffle off to Buffalo, Barry".
 
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DTP said:
It was Bill Snyder at Kansas State and it actually worked really well for him. Now, this was at a school that was historically terrible so building a program that could manage to finish the year ranked was a huge deal for them. He’d sign a ton of transfers and schedule every single cupcake he could and they managed to have a nice run where they were one of the better teams for a while.

FSU is a totally different scenario. We’re talking about a traditional power with three national titles in the last 30 years. They have no excuse to be using the Bill Snyder method.
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Bill not Dan. Duh 🤦🏻‍♂️ He did have a few good years of course. He was there forever it seemed like. But yes, I remember those cupcake schedules he had.

It’s pretty pathetic if FSU is turning into that model. But I also don’t see how Norvell turns it around. He is a cornball. Recruiting is not his best skill set. Now he is is dealing with Mario, Billy, Gus, Smart, Saban, Kelly, Dabo and Hugh. He is surrounded up there where it’s tough to recruit north and south of Tallahassee

Ya hate to see it.
 
WaterburyCane said:
Bill not Dan. Duh 🤦🏻‍♂️ He did have a few good years of course. He was there forever it seemed like. But yes, I remember those cupcake schedules he had.

It’s pretty pathetic if FSU is turning into that model. But I also don’t see how Norvell turns it around. He is a cornball. Recruiting is not his best skill set. Now he is is dealing with Mario, Billy, Gus, Smart, Saban, Kelly, Dabo and Hugh. He is surrounded up there where it’s tough to recruit north and south of Tallahassee

Ya hate to see it.
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Yeah, there’s no excuse for Norvell to have to rely so much on transfers. The guy is just a dud recruiter. With Miami and UF both finishing with losing records, he still couldn’t sign a good class. He must just be a weirdo. The ceiling at FSU is 9 wins as long as he’s there. You can’t coach at a major program the same way you would at a G5 school. It’s completely different stakes.
 
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Man, they got Hussey on a technicality. The only legit one they got was Hykeem, and I am starting to think he may be a slice of bread short of a sandwich to go play for that goofball. At least Jimbo had some charisma about him that players would want to play for him. Norvell is corny. He always sounds like he is about to cry in his press conferences.
 
DTP said:
It was Bill Snyder at Kansas State and it actually worked really well for him. Now, this was at a school that was historically terrible so building a program that could manage to finish the year ranked was a huge deal for them. He’d sign a ton of transfers and schedule every single cupcake he could and they managed to have a nice run where they were one of the better teams for a while.

FSU is a totally different scenario. We’re talking about a traditional power with three national titles in the last 30 years. They have no excuse to be using the Bill Snyder method.
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See 2012 Miami vs K State to see his template in motion. Snyder signed oodles of players with one or two years of eligibility left - players who had spent two or three years in college strength and conditioning. Miami had talent, but was a very young team that year. K State overwhelmed them with a team of 22 year olds.
 
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GojiraCane said:
See 2012 Miami vs K State to see his template in motion. Snyder signed oodles of players with one or two years of eligibility left - players who had spent two or three years in college strength and conditioning. Miami had talent, but was a very young team that year. K State overwhelmed them with a team of 22 year olds.
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It’s not really much different than what a lot of teams have done to Miami the last 15 years. They bring a team full of grown men, upper classmen who have redshirted and are all 21-22,23 years old against a team full of freshmen and sophomores because “play the freshmen, bro” and “ get your money bro” and Miami’s children get beat down by a much more mature, albeit less talented team.
 
GojiraCane said:
Kidding aside, do you think it might be a sustainable operating model? Not for one year, but permanently having the majority of each year’s signings to be portal players? It would seem that with portal players you would have:

1) More film and be able to better gauge their potential at a P5 level
2) They are older by default and don’t have to acclimate to college, nor need to gain weight in a college S&C program
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It has it's benefits, but the down side is having to strike gold every year and getting only 1 year out of said player.

Take Darrel Jackson for example. He transfers from UM to FSU. Although he has 2 years of eligibility left, Norvell likely only gets him for 1 year as I see him entering the NFL draft next year. So, he's a 1-year stop gap.

Is it a sustainable model? It depends on what's considered successful. It's more of an NFL model with free agency except you're signing guys for only 1-2 years. That may get you 8-9 wins, but I don't think it's a way to build a championship program.

You can't stack talent with 1-2 year portal players. It's also doubtful for them to get championship level players out of the portal and definitely not enough of them.

With his small class size, it's clear that heavy reliance on the portal is Norvell's model.

Norvell hasn't recruited well at QB. If Jordan Travis hadn't improved, FSU likely has a losing record and Norvell is fired.

I don't think Travis is great, but he's had a huge role in their offense with his dual threat ability.

I don't know where they go after his eligibility runs out next year. Likely the portal or Tate Rodemyer.

I could see them going 8-4 or 9-3 next year and then falling on their face at 7-5 or 6-6 in 2024 when we'll have stacked back to back top 5 recruiting classes.

FSU will break in a new QB in 2024 with a schedule of potential losses of:
@ Miami
@ ND
Florida
Clemson
UNC
NC State
 
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