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No Pena, No Haulcy, No LB, No DTs, No #1 WR…

Canes Legacy said:
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Yet Miami has the #3 Transfer Class in the Portal. Perspective & Context matters .

A starting QB,A starting Center , A shut down Corner & Star Safety,Starting DT
Three Experience Recievers each with Ability./ Revamp the Secondary, .Better Than expected Third Running Back, ,A starting Kicker ,Kick off Specialist & Kick off Return -All American.
All while Keeping your best Core Players.

Who Struck out again? Or Knock ✊ it out of the Park?
 
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Am I missing something here, or do we not have the #3 ranked portal class? Did we land every single player we wanted? No, but overall I think we did extremely well this cycle. Regarding Haulcy, ain’t NO safety worth that kind of money unless you’re telling me Sean Taylor is walking through the door.
 
DoctorKrazey said:
Am I missing something here, or do we not have the #3 ranked portal class? Did we land every single player we wanted? No, but overall I think we did extremely well this cycle. Regarding Haulcy, ain’t NO safety worth that kind of money unless you’re telling me Sean Taylor is walking through the door.
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Was a great winter portal class

Let’s not talk about WHY we needed to bring in an entirely new secondary (and spend most of our resources) being a school in South Florida though
 
JHallCanes said:
Was a great winter portal class

Let’s not talk about WHY we needed to bring in an entirely new secondary (and spend most of our resources) being a school in South Florida though
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The writings on the wall.

We need to stop recruiting alot of these florida kids.

Style of play, culture, and lack of football IQ is apparent.
 
kyle_schick said:
The writings on the wall.

We need to stop recruiting alot of these florida kids.

Style of play, culture, and lack of football IQ is apparent.
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Well we have Lucas now and OJ and those should be our top 2 guys

Not saying you don’t have a point but we’ve just been pure garbage at landing the right guys

But for sure there’s elite DBs everywhere
 
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Gocanes1990 said:
A bird in hand…
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I mean I’d want to keep Horton, but there is just no way had we kept him people would be saying he’s good enough lol. And if we had to pay a large amount for him, I can absolutely see why the staff would opt to take their chances adding a WR in Spring… not to mention they were going pretty hard in Winter anyways - and there were a lot of upgrades over him available…

The big and only real fail this spring (and Winter) was portal WR. The rest we have talent. It’s about getting them to perform to the best they can now. All there is to it. I definitely want a NT type to add to the rotation, so hopefully we are still working there, but ultimately I like our roster.

The way the schedule is unfortunately with ND first there’s no time for the inexperienced players to gain experience, they just gotta be thrown into the fire and we sink or swim with them. But expecting to enter every season with all 22 starting jobs loaded with high quality AND experienced players is crazy talk.
 
Dwinstitles said:
Nah he’s not elite but compared to others we had he’s elite to those guys. Hes elite at working hard for a recruit but I wouldn’t put him in the Lanning Kirby and anyone at OSU tier.
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Elite is subjective to somebody's own Opinion! What, determines who is elite in recruiting? How many 4 or 5 Stars?, times in top 10 or top 5? What's the criteria for elite?
 
Scorpioncane said:
Elite is subjective to somebody's own Opinion! What, determines who is elite in recruiting? How many 4 or 5 Stars?, times in top 10 or top 5? What's the criteria for elite?
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Evaluate properly is the criteria. You dont find out what you have on the field till you see them with the rest of your players. Then you find out when we all say "why is he not player?" then he hits the portal plays somewhere else you find out why they didn't play, regardless of ranking.
 
Scorpioncane said:
Elite is subjective to somebody's own Opinion! What, determines who is elite in recruiting? How many 4 or 5 Stars?, times in top 10 or top 5? What's the criteria for elite?
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There's a pretty direct correlation with 4/5 stars acquired (basically top 100 overall prospects) and winning natty's + high draft picks. Of course great programs can develop some guys who are lower ranked into studs but most of the dominant programs the last couple decades (Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson, etc) are winning off of recruiting elite talent and not by developing more average into the elite somehow. I think composite top 100 is the most important metric. You need at least about 1/3 of your class yearly to reach that benchmark which equates to landing roughly 7 or 8 top kids per year.
 
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Damiencane86 said:
There's a pretty direct correlation with 4/5 stars acquired, basically top 100 overall prospects, and winning natty's + high draft picks. Of course great programs can develop some guys who are lower ranked into studs but most of the doninant programs the last couple decades (Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson, etc) are winning off of recruiting elite talent and not by developing more average into elite somehow. I think composite top 100 is the most important metric. You need at least about 1/3 of your class yearly to reach that benchmark which equates to 8 kids per year.
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Are we not there with Mario's last 3 classes? Even though last year we were 13# but it was full of blue chippers more then 8 I believe! I believe we have passed Clemson as far talent in the acc? If so wouldn't that put us at least knocking on the door of elite?
 
Scorpioncane said:
Are we not there with Mario's last 3 classes? Even though last year we were 13# but it was full of blue chippers more then 8 I believe! I believe we have passed Clemson as far talent in the acc? If so wouldn't that put us at least knocking on the door of elite?
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Depending where you look, we only had 1 or 2 composite top 100 guys last year. We had a lot of 4 stars in the 100-300 range.
 
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Hurracanes said:
Brilliant question. I wish I knew more about Mario’s system or process with evaluating players and determining a player’s value but I’m not biggest believer in his strategy. In my opinion, we have allowed too many impact players go to other programs because of our refusal to play the game with certain players. At the same time, I know with many kids, the staff has had to up the bag from their original proposal to retain key players. At the end, the market determines a player’s worth, not simply one school or staff.

The narrative that we don’t over pay isn’t true, we are just selective with who we highly invest in. The staff also banked on last season’s success to get kids discounted and that backfired. Very frustrating.

Mario hits hard when he spends money on blue chip kids but misses too much with low tier talent. I think he needs to surround himself with better talent evaluators and recruiters. He certainly is no Butch.
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Could you name some specific players you feel we did not play the game with that you think we could have gotten?
 
Thoughtsoncanes said:
Could you name some specific players you feel we did not play the game with that you think we could have gotten?
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Throughout the years, the names that I have heard would raise some eyebrows but there were others that I didn’t hear specific names for. For example, some of the names I heard were rumored on the internet while others were never mentioned by anyone.

Kids and their camps are constantly in communication with our staff because they know Miami can pay well when they want. Months ago, I mentioned one name in Gator Tear thread. 🤫

This spring, I was told we were working a LB behind the scenes (name was not given) for a quality LB we nearly closed on but it didn’t work out at the end. A position of need.
 
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