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305to954 said:
LSU chose the other route & supplemented that DB room with transfers. So have other elite programs.

DB recruiting for us has to level up at the hs ranks for sure. We’ll see with the 2025 bunch. Our transfer DBs all have years of eligibility left so they aren’t 1 year rentals. That’s a positive.
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We supplemented that room too - we have 5 transfer DBs! The fact that might not be enough is an indictment on HS recruiting the past few years.

In the pre-NIL/portal days, when teams were faced with situations like this, they'd have to (a) coach up the guys on the roster, and (b) scheme around their limitations. The portal shouldn't be a substitute for good coaching.

It's not ideal, but we'll have to hope we can do those things.
 
IndayArtHauz said:
OP was only mostly correct.
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Damiencane86 said:
There's a pretty direct correlation with 4/5 stars acquired (basically top 100 overall prospects) and winning natty's + high draft picks. Of course great programs can develop some guys who are lower ranked into studs but most of the dominant programs the last couple decades (Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson, etc) are winning off of recruiting elite talent and not by developing more average into the elite somehow. I think composite top 100 is the most important metric. You need at least about 1/3 of your class yearly to reach that benchmark which equates to landing roughly 7 or 8 top kids per year.
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Clemson started its NC appearance run in 2015, so it should have had elite recruiting classes from 2012-2014, if the above correlation is correct, and since Clemson is specifically named.

Clemson recruiting rankings:

2012 - 20th
2013 - 15th
2014 - 16th

In that time they recruited 1 single, solitary 5 star and ironically were ranked below UM in recruiting classes each of those years.
 
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RF-4CCane said:
Clemson started its NC appearance run in 2015, so it should have had elite recruiting classes from 2012-2014, if the above correlation is correct, and since Clemson is specifically named.

Clemson recruiting rankings:

2012 - 20th
2013 - 15th
2014 - 16th

In that time they recruited 1 single, solitary 5 star and ironically were ranked below UM in recruiting classes each of those years.
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Clemson is a great outlier because yes they didn't finish top 10 in that stretch or land a lot of top 100 guys, but their hit rate on developmental guys was absurdly good and their continuity at the coordinator spots was insanely rare with Elliott & Venables staying forever. They also hit on 3 major qb's who all stayed 2-3 years apiece. A lot went right for them simultaneously to pull off what they did.
 
Damiencane86 said:
Clemson is a great outlier because yes they didn't finish top 10 in that stretch or land a lot of top 100 guys, but their hit rate on developmental guys was absurdly good and their continuity at the coordinator spots was insanely rare with Elliott & Venables staying forever. They also hit on 3 major qb's who all stayed 2-3 years apiece. A lot went right for them simultaneously to pull off what they did.
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Agreed.
Wasn’t picking on you, just pointing out that development and evaluation is equally as important as recruiting rankings, if not more so.
 
JayCane20 said:
He’ll be the only draft pick out of that 2024 WR room fwiw
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This. Plus, CJ Daniel’s is a downgrade from Horton who has been hurt and missed spring. Insanity.

Dear Mario, you get what you pay for.
 
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ALLoverCANE said:
We supplemented that room too - we have 5 transfer DBs! The fact that might not be enough is an indictment on HS recruiting the past few years.

In the pre-NIL/portal days, when teams were faced with situations like this, they'd have to (a) coach up the guys on the roster, and (b) scheme around their limitations. The portal shouldn't be a substitute for good coaching.

It's not ideal, but we'll have to hope we can do those things.
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Definitely not ideal. And we see other top tier programs going through the same issue in this era of NIL/portal. Penn state WR room. OSU dline room. LSU pretty much every room. It’s a new age. But we definitely want to raise the floor in terms of HS recruiting in that room. That being said, I’d have a bigger concern if it wasn’t being addressed by getting young proven talent in the portal on top of the 2025 class.
 
Gocanes1990 said:
They are raving about him at Bama. Our only NFL WR last year…
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FWIW if anyone in the building has half a brain and tells Restrepo to fake a sore ankle and not run the 40, he clearly gets drafted.

I'll believe the Horton hype when I see it. Maybe they lather him in deer antler spray down there, but I saw a 4.6 kid with 6'2-ish size. I don't see some elite NFL prospect. But maybe if he tears it up in the SEC that'll change. If he was some lock NFL pick, he'd have just come out this year. He was eligible.
 
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RF-4CCane said:
Clemson started its NC appearance run in 2015, so it should have had elite recruiting classes from 2012-2014, if the above correlation is correct, and since Clemson is specifically named.

Clemson recruiting rankings:

2012 - 20th
2013 - 15th
2014 - 16th

In that time they recruited 1 single, solitary 5 star and ironically were ranked below UM in recruiting classes each of those years.
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Clemsons success was driven by 3 things:

1. Elite QB
2. Elite WR
3. Elite DL

We have approximately zero of those things. Beck is an above average QB but he’s not elite.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
FWIW if anyone in the building has half a brain and tells Restrepo to fake a sore ankle and not run the 40, he clearly gets drafted.

I'll believe the Horton hype when I see it. Maybe they lather him in deer antler spray down there, but I saw a 4.6 kid with 6'2-ish size. I don't see some elite NFL prospect. But maybe if he tears it up in the SEC that'll change. If he was some lock NFL pick, he'd have just come out this year. He was eligible.
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Whether it translates to the field or not Horton was running 4.4s his entire time at Miami.

His trainer in Murfreesboro told me coming out of HS that he'll be a 4.3 guy when he's done with college. Might be too heavy to get there now.
 
JayCane20 said:
Whether it translates to the field or not Horton was running 4.4s his entire time at Miami.

His trainer in Murfreesboro told me coming out of HS that he'll be a 4.3 guy when he's done with college. Might be too heavy to get there now.
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We'll revisit this in February. If he runs anywhere near 4.3, I'll be rather surprised.
 
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Gocanes1990 said:
They are raving about him at Bama. Our only NFL WR last year…
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It's just funny how the same player can be viewed as so superior once he goes somewhere else lol.
At other programs potential improvement is always accounted for. Here if you haven't dominated (or injury caused your performance to slip), it can be completely discounted.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
We'll revisit this in February. If he runs anywhere near 4.3, I'll be rather surprised.
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Not saying he will run that. That was just expressed to me when he signed. But I don't think his trainer expected him to gain as much mass as he did - I always thought he would just be wiry and 6'2-6'3.

Combine results I would guess 4.48 range.
 
Calinative said:
It's just funny how the same player can be viewed as so superior once he goes somewhere else lol.
At other programs potential improvement is always accounted for. Here if you haven't dominated (or injury caused your performance to slip), it can be completely discounted.
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We unfortunately have dumb fans. Some of the dumbest in all of CFB… unfortunately that arrogance and stupidity permeates into parts of the Hecht. Horton was a catching machine, his one drop vs Cuse will always haunt me.

Hes NFL all day if he’s healthy. He will see a ton of single coverage. He's a great route runner, good on contested catches. Excellent work ethic.
 
JayCane20 said:
Not saying he will run that. That was just expressed to me when he signed. But I don't think his trainer expected him to gain as much mass as he did - I always thought he would just be wiry and 6'2-6'3.

Combine results I would guess 4.48 range.
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I hear you, and I know you're just passing off what you were told and don't really care.

I'm just saying my eyes and the laser tell the story for me, not someone's paid trainer. I would imagine Xavier Restrepo's trainer wouldn't have told you he'd have run 5.94 before Pro Day. Sometimes those responsible for the development of players get a little ambitious, is all.
 
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