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kyle_schick said:
Regarding your point 2.

Infuriating watching Cam take all these excess late 4th quarter snaps to just hand the ball off.

Then putting Emory in to hand the ball off 10 plays in a row.

Then, when every game comes down to a last second miracle, Emory can't get reps.

And we're left with a backup QB who can't throw the ball.

What are these coaches thinking?
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In all honesty, I don't think Emory would have gotten any better with more reps.

And contrary to the false mythology, the coaches knew well before the bowl game that they needed a better QB than Emory, hence the pursuit of John Mateer.

Anyone who listens to coach-speak is destined to be "surprised" by reality.
 
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BilltheCane said:
Serious question, how sophisticated is the analytics capabilities in the athletic department at UM? Advanced analytics are a powerful weapon for competitive advantage at top programs in the age of NIL, but they must be advanced, which can be expensive. Quality analytics lead to less bloviating, less emotion, and less room for really stupid moves.
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more than anything we need a professional style approach towards what’s coming with the new “salary cap” you have to be organized. You have to be willing to create some semblance of positional value. I think we get there, working to make it a reality.
 
Reyrey said:
I never said he was. I was just asking in regards to his comparison. I think original point was that Clemson had Antonio Williams, some solid production, and nothing else behind it. The other names was Troy stalleto had some catches. I think Antonio Williams, Stalleto, and those freshman is not far off from our room today Daniels, Marion, JoJo and some promising freshman.

Thats all. We don’t have a WR1 and I don’t think Clemson did either entering last year. They had success still throwing

Not everyone posting is trying to make a smart *** rhetorical point
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I don't care if it was smart-*** or not, it was just a point that indicated you hadn't read, ignored what was written, or didn't understand the comparison.

It is not a comparison of "having success still throwing".

It's just weird for you to characterize Troy Stellato as having "some catches". He's had 64 catches over two years. And you say Antonio Williams had "some solid production". He had 152 catches in the last three years. That is more than "some solid production". That is more than "some catches".

Ray Ray has had TWELVE career receptions (6 per year). JoJo has SIX receptions. Ny has ONE. That is just a shocking disparity.

And the two most important points are very simple. First, Clemson hasn't used the Portal to sign WRs, so they have NO CHOICE but to play the freshman. But the bigger issue is that Williams and Stellato have already PLAYED with Klubnik, which builds confidence. Beck has nothing comparable. In order to make him MORE COMFORTABLE, you give him a WR1 who has already proven he can do it at this level.

But you do you. Just keep believing that every program should play all their freshmen WRs, "because Clemson". How ridiculous.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I don't care if it was smart-*** or not, it was just a point that indicated you hadn't read, ignored what was written, or didn't understand the comparison.

It is not a comparison of "having success still throwing".

It's just weird for you to characterize Troy Stellato as having "some catches". He's had 64 catches over two years. And you say Antonio Williams had "some solid production". He had 152 catches in the last three years. That is more than "some solid production". That is more than "some catches".

Ray Ray has had TWELVE career receptions (6 per year). JoJo has SIX receptions. Ny has ONE. That is just a shocking disparity.

And the two most important points are very simple. First, Clemson hasn't used the Portal to sign WRs, so they have NO CHOICE but to play the freshman. But the bigger issue is that Williams and Stellato have already PLAYED with Klubnik, which builds confidence. Beck has nothing comparable. In order to make him MORE COMFORTABLE, you give him a WR1 who has already proven he can do it at this level.

But you do you. Just keep believing that every program should play all their freshmen WRs, "because Clemson". How ridiculous.
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What’s ridiculous is how condescending you have to speak to make your self feel better, pal.

I posted earlier and outlined several teams that didn’t have this WR1. A good example, Syracuse. Brand new QB. Jackson Meeks transfered in after 3 years at Georgia. He had a combined a combined 10 catches and 132 yards in 3 seasons. Went for 78 and 1000. Trebor Pena. 4 years. A combined 25 catches and 272 yards. He went for 900. Gadsen had 1 really good year. And injured year and bounced back. The point being, they didn’t enter the year with “WR1”. Their two leading receivers entered the year with no experience to the QB and minimal at best production.

All I have done was made the comparison. It’s not far off. I’m advocating and finding the silver lining in playing younger guys because we didn’t get anything proven. Which Clemson, Syracuse, and countless other teams have gotten production out of WRs without WR1.

Again you’re comparing the freshman receiving yards and ignoring Daniels and now Marion. So it was a simple ask originally.

You have your opinion. Good for you. When people just ask a question, they are not always trying to prove you wrong or make you look wrong. That was my original question. It was a simple ask. Your so **** bent on making yourself seem right, you need to try and talk down to someone. I mean seriously “sport”. What are you 12?
 
kyle_schick said:
Analysticsbis overblown

Coming from an analyst.

Its how guys like Sam Brown and Tyler Baron look good on paper and how someone like Restrepo doesn't get drafted.

It becomes a substitute for thinking and understanding the feel of the game.

Kind of stuff that'll always tell you to go for it on 4th down.
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Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more. First of all, no one would ever suggest analytics as a substitute for thinking, it's an enabler of better thinking. Second, if what other posters are saying is true, "feel of the game" (not analytics) led to expensive NIL deals with Sam Brown and Tyler Baron. "Feel" led to drafting Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. Third, there are several folks who may not be analysts but who are pretty knowledgable, that would also disagree with you, such as Daryl Morey, Billy Beane, Paul DePodesta, the entire Celtics executive suite. Most modern sports organizations are spending 10s of millions per year on analytics, across nearly every sport. Your perspective reminds me of CEO of Kodak who famously stated that people would always prefer film, because it produces better looking pictures.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
Bingo.

I think there’s talent in the room for sure. Guys that have the ability to become key players for us down the road.

But to rely on them this upcoming season, when the goal should be to build upon a weirdly exciting / somewhat disappointing 2024 is downright criminal. At the very least, it’s irresponsible.

We just saw Carson Beck struggle all 2024 when he lost Ladd and Bowers, because UGA’s weapons were so underwhelming or young behind them. Remember everyone clowning Colbie Young because he wasn’t good enough? It had merit, but we’re in a very similar position at WR as UGA was in 2024.

Who on this roster can you look at and definitively say that he’s going to lead our pass-catchers? Who can you look at in a key 3rd or 4th down and have trust in that he’s going to get open **** near every time for us like X or Arroyo or George, **** even Horton did?

We don’t have Cam Ward running around in circles, making defenders miss and throwing balls in inexplicably awesome arm angles anymore. Extending plays, taking shots, scrambling for hours to find someone. It’s more traditional, it’s pocket passing, it’s timing routes and trust in your skill guys now.
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I wouldn't say Beck struggled all 2024 and I also wouldn't say he lost Ladd Mcconkey because really he never had him. Ladd was hurt all year that season and didn't even hit 500 receiving yards because he missed 6 games including the first 4. He had a bad 3 game stretch last season where he threw 8 interceptions which obviously isn't good but fixable. I think Beck is capable of carrying this offense as long as guys hold on to the football
 
BilltheCane said:
Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more. First of all, no one would ever suggest analytics as a substitute for thinking, it's an enabler of better thinking. Second, if what other posters are saying is true, "feel of the game" (not analytics) led to expensive NIL deals with Sam Brown and Tyler Baron. "Feel" led to drafting Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. Third, there are several folks who may not be analysts but who are pretty knowledgable, that would also disagree with you, such as Daryl Morey, Billy Beane, Paul DePodesta, the entire Celtics executive suite. Most modern sports organizations are spending 10s of millions per year on analytics, across nearly every sport. Your perspective reminds me of CEO of Kodak who famously stated that people would always prefer film, because it produces better looking pictures.
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The problem is you're getting all this data but who's using it? Who's making the decisions?

Mario "Sideline Statue" Cristobal.

The Admin, Athletic Department, and staff aren't exactly a high performance organization who would know how to handle all of that data.

You're forgetting that Manny Diaz was a big early proponent of "analytics." Look how that turned out.

I see this all the time as an analyst. We put together robust packages and presentations, but the decision-makers don't understand it or have their own biases.

Are you seriously going to tell me that if the data suggests a more diversified run scheme would yield better performance that Mario and Mirabal would stop running up the middle 95% of the time?

You know they wouldn't.

Until we have coaches who are **** bent on maximizing performance instead of winning their way, analytics won't help us.

Did we need an entire data analytics department to tell Mario that his defense sucked and that he needed to force Guidry to change things?
 
Reyrey said:
What’s ridiculous is how condescending you have to speak to make your self feel better, pal.

I posted earlier and outlined several teams that didn’t have this WR1. A good example, Syracuse. Brand new QB. Jackson Meeks transfered in after 3 years at Georgia. He had a combined a combined 10 catches and 132 yards in 3 seasons. Went for 78 and 1000. Trebor Pena. 4 years. A combined 25 catches and 272 yards. He went for 900. Gadsen had 1 really good year. And injured year and bounced back. The point being, they didn’t enter the year with “WR1”. Their two leading receivers entered the year with no experience to the QB and minimal at best production.

All I have done was made the comparison. It’s not far off. I’m advocating and finding the silver lining in playing younger guys because we didn’t get anything proven. Which Clemson, Syracuse, and countless other teams have gotten production out of WRs without WR1.

Again you’re comparing the freshman receiving yards and ignoring Daniels and now Marion. So it was a simple ask originally.

You have your opinion. Good for you. When people just ask a question, they are not always trying to prove you wrong or make you look wrong. That was my original question. It was a simple ask. Your so **** bent on making yourself seem right, you need to try and talk down to someone. I mean seriously “sport”. What are you 12?
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Good luck on your journey.
 
canefan96 said:
Irish are going to run the ball right down our throat first game, no way our front seven is better this year on D.
We needed at a minimum a war daddy in the middle and a linebacker that could tackle, but we have 15 OL and 10 cornerbacks ……… lol
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Don’t put “our” in it! NO ONE & I repeat NO ONE will ever run “ a ball” down my throat! Ur on ur own with that one Chief!
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kyle_schick said:
The problem is you're getting all this data but who's using it? Who's making the decisions?

Mario "Sideline Statue" Cristobal.

The Admin, Athletic Department, and staff aren't exactly a high performance organization who would know how to handle all of that data.

You're forgetting that Manny Diaz was a big early proponent of "analytics." Look how that turned out.

I see this all the time as an analyst. We put together robust packages and presentations, but the decision-makers don't understand it or have their own biases.

Are you seriously going to tell me that if the data suggests a more diversified run scheme would yield better performance that Mario and Mirabal would stop running up the middle 95% of the time?

You know they wouldn't.

Until we have coaches who are **** bent on maximizing performance instead of winning their way, analytics won't help us.

Did we need an entire data analytics department to tell Mario that his defense sucked and that he needed to force Guidry to change things?
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That doesn't overrate analytics or make analytics worthless or overrated.

It just demonstrates that we have poor leadership and stupid people running the ship.

If I buy elite ingredients, but have a cook that doesn't understand how to work a ******* pan, who's at fault? The ingredients or the guy cooking the dish?

If people don't understand analytics, it's not because the data is too complex or too hard to understand, it's because they don't want to get it. They're lazy and unwilling to learn.

Analytics is an aid to decision-making.
 
kyle_schick said:
Id venture that as of now, not a single Sophomore or older LB on the roster gets drafted.

Maybe 1 or 2 will get UDFA or a camp invite.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same about the D Line.

Look at the D Line and LBs who just got drafted. We don't have anyone who comes close in talent.

Idk how some people don't see this.

Our guys are too small too or too big as well. People don't fit their position.
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Canes lost Maugioa, Barrow, and Baron, not elite by any means. If they can’t replace that with simple player development then there’s some serious issues with recruiting.

Since I believe this current staff has average player development I’m not worried about LB or the DL. They lost 1 productive player at LB and 1.5 productive players on the DL, Barron questionable at times. What I am worried about is WR/TE bc they lost everybody, Beck’s heath, his relationship with offensive personnel, and the depth at S even though I think there bodies in the DB room to get buy. Will the offense be able to gel in a short amount of time? Don’t think Pena is helping that WR room that much.
 
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