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ShadowSpring said:
So why would Adidas be a bad choice? I want whichever deal is best for the university, specifically as it relates to money, branding, and recruiting. Assuming the gear/equipment is of a comparable quality, Adidas would be a bad choice if: (1) the total $$$ value of the deal is less than what Nike is offering (which is what many have said); or (2) the total $$$ value of the deal is only negligibly better than Nike's (because contrary to your unsupported claims, Nike is the most popular apparel brand among HS football and basketball players, which are the only two sports that matter in this discussion). If the total $$$ value of Adidas' deal is more than negligibly better, then it's probably the better deal. That's simply my original point. I wasn't responding to your original post, nor do I what your point was a week ago. Adidas right now is actually the more exciting/growing brand and could very well be a decade from now. That slash is doing a lot of work. More exciting brand? Among who? Where? Definitely not HS football players and HS basketball players, which is the only thing that matters from a recruiting perspective. From a royalties percentage, it's even more favorable for Nike, as the people buying that gear are still buying more Nike gear. Faster growing brand? Same question, and with the caveat that it's easier to claim more growth when you have ~60% of the bigger brand's sales. If I weigh 200 lbs. and lose 20 pounds, and if you weigh 400 lbs and lose 45 pounds, you've got a greater percentage of weight loss. But it almost certainly doesn't make you healthier (you just had more bad weight to lose). As @TheOriginalCane alluded to, statistics can be tricky, for some. Not a single time anywhere did I ever say Nike would be a bad partner or likely to die. I am upset at the garbage job they did the last time with our UNI's but all that is half joking. I'm sure the entire design team is different now. This part has been explained and discussed ad nauseum, but I will acknowledge our Nike gear got worse over time and our Adidas gear has improved some over time. That said, I think it's also fair to point out the Adidas gear got better after Rad and Mario's arrival, and I suspect UM's tougher recent approach (like not even wearing our alternate jerseys one season because Mario reportedly didn't like them) has had a positive impact. Of course, some of this is clearly subjective and a matter of personal taste.

Nike's 7 consecutive negative quarters would be useful in a negotiation with a brand like Miami. Hey Nike............show me the $. I don't know if that makes a difference to Nike, but I'm not a Nike stockholder so I'm not concerned about earnings. Definitely not when their sales still dwarf the next competitor (Adidas).

Are you a founding member of the CIS Nike fanclub? They've really hurt you in this thread, haven't they?
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Based on how you decided to start and end this response, you are clearly seeing ghosts at this point. Notwithstanding, I'll oblige you with an honest response (in orange and green above) because I finished my work early...
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
ShadowSpring said:
So why would Adidas be a bad choice? I want whichever deal is best for the university, specifically as it relates to money, branding, and recruiting. Assuming the gear/equipment is of a comparable quality, Adidas would be a bad choice if: (1) the total $$$ value of the deal is less than what Nike is offering (which is what many have said); or (2) the total $$$ value of the deal is only negligibly better than Nike's (because contrary to your unsupported claims, Nike is the most popular apparel brand among HS football and basketball players, which are the only two sports that matter in this discussion). If the total $$$ value of Adidas' deal is more than negligibly better, then it's probably the better deal. That's simply my original point. I wasn't responding to your original post, nor do I what your point was a week ago. Adidas right now is actually the more exciting/growing brand and could very well be a decade from now. That slash is doing a lot of work. More exciting brand? Among who? Where? Definitely not HS football players and HS basketball players, which is the only thing that matters from a recruiting perspective. From a royalties percentage, it's even more favorable for Nike, as the people buying that gear are still buying more Nike gear. Faster growing brand? Same question, and with the caveat that it's easier to claim more growth when you have ~60% of the bigger brand's sales. If I weigh 200 lbs. and lose 20 pounds, and if you weigh 400 lbs and lose 45 pounds, you've got a greater percentage of weight loss. But it almost certainly doesn't make you healthier (you just had more bad weight to lose). As @TheOriginalCane alluded to, statistics can be tricky, for some. Not a single time anywhere did I ever say Nike would be a bad partner or likely to die. I am upset at the garbage job they did the last time with our UNI's but all that is half joking. I'm sure the entire design team is different now. This part has been explained and discussed ad nauseum, but I will acknowledge our Nike gear got worse over time and our Adidas gear has improved some over time. That said, I think it's also fair to point out the Adidas gear got better after Rad and Mario's arrival, and I suspect UM's tougher recent approach (like not even wearing our alternate jerseys one season because Mario reportedly didn't like them) has had a positive impact. Of course, some of this is clearly subjective and a matter of personal taste.

Nike's 7 consecutive negative quarters would be useful in a negotiation with a brand like Miami. Hey Nike............show me the $. I don't know if that makes a difference to Nike, but I'm not a Nike stockholder so I'm not concerned about earnings. Definitely not when their sales still dwarf the next competitor (Adidas).

Are you a founding member of the CIS Nike fanclub? They've really hurt you in this thread, haven't they?
Click to expand...

Based on how you decided to start and end this response, you are clearly seeing ghosts at this point. Notwithstanding, I'll oblige you with an honest response (in orange and green above) because I finished my work early...
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Definitely a member of the CIS Nike fanclub. Do you sleep next to your beloved swoosh at night?

But Adidas has been doing a lot of work on the 7v7 scene with youth football players. So you may be mistaken. I'm not an expert on that particular subject so I don't want to say something I can't verify.

I was supposed to be 'ethered' in this thread by an expert. He had all kinds of secret insider sauces. But hey here I am the data didn't and doesn't lie. Don't start an argument you know you can't win. That was his mistake. That's why I keep saying, go count the Nike running shoes at your clubs. When you know, you know.

Adidas looms large now and we expect Adidas to loom larger later. So what is the point of all the nonsense these people are debating?

But **** you people are waaaaay too emotional about this brand. It's so strange. All kinds of changes are made all the time to shoes and clothing and different models and different design teams. None of the people who worked for Nike when you grew up are likely there now. A lot of this stuff is outsourced and manufactured in Asia at various facilities. Not sure where the emotional connection to a swoosh comes in from all that. I've worn all brands of running shoes and switch it up all the time. If it's good, it's good. This brand loyalty stuff is wild.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
ShadowSpring said:
So why would Adidas be a bad choice? I want whichever deal is best for the university, specifically as it relates to money, branding, and recruiting. Assuming the gear/equipment is of a comparable quality, Adidas would be a bad choice if: (1) the total $$$ value of the deal is less than what Nike is offering (which is what many have said); or (2) the total $$$ value of the deal is only negligibly better than Nike's (because contrary to your unsupported claims, Nike is the most popular apparel brand among HS football and basketball players, which are the only two sports that matter in this discussion). If the total $$$ value of Adidas' deal is more than negligibly better, then it's probably the better deal. That's simply my original point. I wasn't responding to your original post, nor do I what your point was a week ago. Adidas right now is actually the more exciting/growing brand and could very well be a decade from now. That slash is doing a lot of work. More exciting brand? Among who? Where? Definitely not HS football players and HS basketball players, which is the only thing that matters from a recruiting perspective. From a royalties percentage, it's even more favorable for Nike, as the people buying that gear are still buying more Nike gear. Faster growing brand? Same question, and with the caveat that it's easier to claim more growth when you have ~60% of the bigger brand's sales. If I weigh 200 lbs. and lose 20 pounds, and if you weigh 400 lbs and lose 45 pounds, you've got a greater percentage of weight loss. But it almost certainly doesn't make you healthier (you just had more bad weight to lose). As @TheOriginalCane alluded to, statistics can be tricky, for some. Not a single time anywhere did I ever say Nike would be a bad partner or likely to die. I am upset at the garbage job they did the last time with our UNI's but all that is half joking. I'm sure the entire design team is different now. This part has been explained and discussed ad nauseum, but I will acknowledge our Nike gear got worse over time and our Adidas gear has improved some over time. That said, I think it's also fair to point out the Adidas gear got better after Rad and Mario's arrival, and I suspect UM's tougher recent approach (like not even wearing our alternate jerseys one season because Mario reportedly didn't like them) has had a positive impact. Of course, some of this is clearly subjective and a matter of personal taste.

Nike's 7 consecutive negative quarters would be useful in a negotiation with a brand like Miami. Hey Nike............show me the $. I don't know if that makes a difference to Nike, but I'm not a Nike stockholder so I'm not concerned about earnings. Definitely not when their sales still dwarf the next competitor (Adidas).

Are you a founding member of the CIS Nike fanclub? They've really hurt you in this thread, haven't they?
Click to expand...

Based on how you decided to start and end this response, you are clearly seeing ghosts at this point. Notwithstanding, I'll oblige you with an honest response (in orange and green above) because I finished my work early...
Click to expand...
I had to take a shower but here you go. The Nike fanclub keeps making the mistake of making an argument based on your heart and not data. I want Miami to rob one of these companies in a negotiation. That's all. I just keep posting data. Simple data. The data is looking good for Adidas so most of the comments in this thread don't match reality. Like I said Adidas is the more exciting/growing brand. I saw this data before I said it. The fanclub just keep trying tho. The club just can't deal with Adidas positivity.

Adidas is the #2 brand in the world in reputation by RepTrak. Nike has slipped to 50. Now I'm not too unrealistic to acknowledge 50 is still pretty good and likely why Nike just needs to stop making dumb decisions.

Nike fanclub is stressed up in here.

www.forbes.com

Adidas Is Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Consumers Globally As Nike Falls

Adidas is closing the gap on Nike, reporting double-digit growth and rising to No. 2 among the world's most respected companies, as Nike falls to No. 50 and sales flatline.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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ShadowSpring said:
I had to take a shower but here you go. The Nike fanclub keeps making the mistake of making an argument based on your heart and not data. I want Miami to rob one of these companies in a negotiation. That's all. I just keep posting data. Simple data. The data is looking good for Adidas so most of the comments in this thread don't match reality. Like I said Adidas is the more exciting/growing brand. I saw this data before I said it. The fanclub just keep trying tho. The club just can't deal with Adidas positivity.

Adidas is the #2 brand in the world in reputation by RepTrak. Nike has slipped to 50. Now I'm not too unrealistic to acknowledge 50 is still pretty good and likely why Nike just needs to stop making dumb decisions.

Nike fanclub is stressed up in here.

www.forbes.com

Adidas Is Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Consumers Globally As Nike Falls

Adidas is closing the gap on Nike, reporting double-digit growth and rising to No. 2 among the world's most respected companies, as Nike falls to No. 50 and sales flatline.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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Did you hit your head in the shower, or is it that you don't actually read the articles you post?

"Nike is particularly challenged in its international markets. In North America, Nike is growing—up 5% through the third quarter, where it generates about 45% of sales."

FYI, UM is located in North America.

I won't even ask if you looked up RepTrak or it's wonky "feel, think, do" methodology.
 
ShadowSpring said:
Definitely a member of the CIS Nike fanclub. Do you sleep next to your beloved swoosh at night?

But Adidas has been doing a lot of work on the 7v7 scene with youth football players. So you may be mistaken. I'm not an expert on that particular subject so I don't want to say something I can't verify.

I was supposed to be 'ethered' in this thread by an expert. He had all kinds of secret insider sauces. But hey here I am the data didn't and doesn't lie. Don't start an argument you know you can't win. That was his mistake. That's why I keep saying, go count the Nike running shoes at your clubs. When you know, you know.

Adidas looms large now and we expect Adidas to loom larger later. So what is the point of all the nonsense these people are debating?

But **** you people are waaaaay too emotional about this brand. It's so strange. All kinds of changes are made all the time to shoes and clothing and different models and different design teams. None of the people who worked for Nike when you grew up are likely there now. A lot of this stuff is outsourced and manufactured in Asia at various facilities. Not sure where the emotional connection to a swoosh comes in from all that. I've worn all brands of running shoes and switch it up all the time. If it's good, it's good. This brand loyalty stuff is wild.
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You edited this post 4 times. I think it's pretty ******* clear who the emotionally invested party is.
 
ShadowSpring said:
Despite Nike spending way more on marketing, Adidas showing once again it's the more preferred brand right now. Adidas selling more World Cup gear

Sorry CIS Nike fanclub. Data and facts just not on your side.


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Props to Adidas for knocking the kits out of the park. I don’t think I saw one that wasn’t really nice. Those retro aways with the trefoils were beauties. Nike pretty much kept the majority of their’s clean and did a great job with all the French kits. I thought Nike had a couple misses. Puma had all misses and I don’t really remember the other brands.

But… This is Adidas’ thing. They’ve been the parter to FIFA for at least the last 50 years. They pay a lot of money for that title. This is their big show and it only comes around every four years. IMO Adidas did a great job but they didn’t really have a choice.

That being said, now it’s completely obvious they Adidas does not put out the same quality and effort into their college football apparel.
 
Garnacho said:
ShadowSpring said:
Despite Nike spending way more on marketing, Adidas showing once again it's the more preferred brand right now. Adidas selling more World Cup gear

Sorry CIS Nike fanclub. Data and facts just not on your side.


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Props to Adidas for knocking the kits out of the park. I don’t think I saw one that wasn’t really nice. Those retro aways with the trefoils were beauties. Nike pretty much kept the majority of their’s clean and did a great job with all the French kits. I thought Nike had a couple misses. Puma had all misses and I don’t really remember the other brands.

But… This is Adidas’ thing. They’ve been the parter to FIFA for at least the last 50 years. They pay a lot of money for that title. This is their big show and it only comes around every four years. IMO Adidas did a great job but they didn’t really have a choice.

That being said, now it’s completely obvious they Adidas does not put out the same quality and effort into their college football apparel.
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Adidas has the edge in soccer usually. I saw another article that Nike is investing a fortune in World Cup marketing and they actually sponsor more teams now.

I guess these are some of the Chinese kicks whooping up on Nike. I believe you mentioned Li Ning to me previously. Some look nice but what happens when a rock or stick gets wedged in that big hole in the bottom? Not nice feelings. Experience has taught me holes and nooks on shoes tend to be a bad idea.......aka On Cloud....

Regarding the $, you can find year old Western brands on sale for less. So cheaper but not exactly crazy discount here.
 
Oh and regarding kids preference towards Nike football, Coach D @ Raw Miami did a pod with Pete and is saying kids prefer Adidas. Also said Adidas is way more hands on and aggressive in the 7v7 scene And it would be criminal to go back to Nike. Said Nike is mostly nostalgia via older folks like most of us. Said Nike is workout clothes and kids prefer 3 stripes and it's more fashionable..

Not sure how objective he is as I believe he's sponsored like a lot of the 7v7 teams.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
You edited this post 4 times. I think it's pretty ******* clear who the emotionally invested party is.
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Oh no you got me. You and the Nike *****ing champion are 'ethering' me with my number of edits. He's super important and has all kinds of sauces ya know, I was supposed to be afraid. Can't use data so let's use edit counts to prop up the fanclub.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Did you hit your head in the shower, or is it that you don't actually read the articles you post?

"Nike is particularly challenged in its international markets. In North America, Nike is growing—up 5% through the third quarter, where it generates about 45% of sales."

FYI, UM is located in North America.

I won't even ask if you looked up RepTrak or it's wonky "feel, think, do" methodology.
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Bro if you are hyped about that 5% wait until you see how well just about every single other apparel company is doing in North America. CIS Nike fanclub has a pathetically low bar. '5% we are saved, it's not negative, woo hoo we still important'. I've already posted the data. 5% is basically the worst sales in North America by anyone not named Puma.
 
ShadowSpring said:
I had to take a shower but here you go. The Nike fanclub keeps making the mistake of making an argument based on your heart and not data. I want Miami to rob one of these companies in a negotiation. That's all. I just keep posting data. Simple data. The data is looking good for Adidas so most of the comments in this thread don't match reality. Like I said Adidas is the more exciting/growing brand. I saw this data before I said it. The fanclub just keep trying tho. The club just can't deal with Adidas positivity.

Adidas is the #2 brand in the world in reputation by RepTrak. Nike has slipped to 50. Now I'm not too unrealistic to acknowledge 50 is still pretty good and likely why Nike just needs to stop making dumb decisions.

Nike fanclub is stressed up in here.

www.forbes.com

Adidas Is Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Consumers Globally As Nike Falls

Adidas is closing the gap on Nike, reporting double-digit growth and rising to No. 2 among the world's most respected companies, as Nike falls to No. 50 and sales flatline.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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I hope your bunion gets better.
 
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