MEGA New Miami Adidas Ultraboost🔥 - The Shoe and Nike/Adidas Thread.

[hoops156]

 

[dccane06]

Again we are taking here about consumers and sales. According to this logic everything is fine at Nike and there's no problems. So why are they not selling shoes as quickly as their competitors and have seven consecutive negative sales quarters? The argument isn't nobody is wearing Nike, as it's absurd. They are losing market share. I know nothing about track athletes nor what they are wearing. Perhaps Nike is doing well in that category.

Your entire argument (not even sure what you are trying to say anymore) seems to rely on the idea that because brands like Hoka and OnCloud have more sales, they are a better product.

 

[skyman]

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I really want to know who has continually greenlit the scrunch for the armholes, looks cheap

 

[Rellyrell]

Excuse me? I've literally just been posting facts. Verifiable data that anybody in a couple seconds can look up. I don't work for any of these companies I have no brand loyalty to any of these companies. The only problem I have with Nike is how terrible job they did with our uniforms back in the day. Regarding apparel I don't typically wear Nike nor any athletic apparel other than running shoes. The Sunshine pumping in this thread was just a little bit too much, I had to bring it back to reality. Nike isn't all that and it is in fact a struggling company that is losing market share to a bunch of competitors right now and it's getting it's **** kicked. I watched a video a couple weeks ago about how Nike is struggling I found it interesting and reading this thread definitely didn't match. 7 straight quarters of dropping sales. You can say that loud or you can say that quiet or you can say that with a smile or you can say that with a frown. Does not change the reality of what's happening with this company.

My opinion is the uniforms sucked. The rest are facts and data.

U’ve been posting emotions. Facts is what I did, u know an actual financial article debunking ur notion. U know, the history of the super race shoe. I literally gave u a clear & defined step by step of how Nike got to where they r, where they’re headed, & the timeline, & ur goofy *** is still doing what exactly?

But I’m glad u finally admitted u have issues w Nike; u could’ve saved a lot of unnecessary back & forth.

 

[Rellyrell]

Want me to merge it with the mega thread?

Yes!

 

[ShadowSpring]

Again we are taking here about consumers and sales. According to this logic everything is fine at Nike and there's no problems. So why are they not selling shoes as quickly as their competitors and have seven consecutive negative sales quarters? The argument isn't nobody is wearing Nike, as it's absurd. They are losing market share. I know nothing about track athletes nor what they are wearing. Perhaps Nike is doing well in that category.

Your entire argument (not even sure what you are trying to say anymore) seems to rely on the idea that because brands like Hoka and OnCloud have more sales, they are a better product.

Nope not at all. I know for sure Nike makes or has made excellent products that I've used. Also I don't like On Cloud shoes, that's just my opinion. The data says that company is killing it.

At this point it's just kinda amusing to see the Nike sunshine pumpers grasping at straws trying to deny the brand is struggling. Not long ago they were acting like we had to go back to Nike because its some kind of mystical amazing brand we should all be honored to wear. Especially rellyrell who seems unable admit the obvious and seemed really excited to prove Nike running shoes were doing great. He said he had proof too. Still waiting.

I don't care about any of these brands.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Excuse me? I've literally just been posting facts. Verifiable data that anybody in a couple seconds can look up. I don't work for any of these companies I have no brand loyalty to any of these companies. The only problem I have with Nike is how terrible job they did with our uniforms back in the day. Regarding apparel I don't typically wear Nike nor any athletic apparel other than running shoes. The Sunshine pumping in this thread was just a little bit too much, I had to bring it back to reality. Nike isn't all that and it is in fact a struggling company that is losing market share to a bunch of competitors right now and it's getting it's **** kicked. I watched a video a couple weeks ago about how Nike is struggling I found it interesting and reading this thread definitely didn't match. 7 straight quarters of dropping sales. You can say that loud or you can say that quiet or you can say that with a smile or you can say that with a frown. Does not change the reality of what's happening with this company.

My opinion is the uniforms sucked. The rest are facts and data.

U’ve been posting emotions. Facts is what I did, u know an actual financial article debunking ur notion. U know, the history of the super race shoe. I literally gave u a clear & defined step by step of how Nike got to where they r, where they’re headed, & the timeline, & ur goofy *** is still doing what exactly?

But I’m glad u finally admitted u have issues w Nike; u could’ve saved a lot of unnecessary back & forth.

I see absolutely no proof except some strange brand loyalty. Meanwhile I've posted data again and again and again and again and again and again showing Nike is getting hammered. How many more times do you need to see the data?

Nike is losing sales, it's dropping it's sales forecast, it's on a terrible streak, it's losing massive chunks of its core running shoe market share. Nike has not kept up and the brand is struggling.

The dumbest thing you posted was that DTC was good for Nike. Nike literally fired the CEO because of it. What are you even talking about? I was exactly accurate in my original post when I described how stupid it was and how he had to be replaced. I was exactly accurate when I posted how they lost market share due to Nike ******** over the shops. Meanwhile Hoka now has 25%-50% (I've seen both data sets) market share from the shops. Hoka stepped in and stole that business. This was a huge self own. But hey Nike is like a god or something to you and is perfect in every way.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Again we are taking here about consumers and sales. According to this logic everything is fine at Nike and there's no problems. So why are they not selling shoes as quickly as their competitors and have seven consecutive negative sales quarters? The argument isn't nobody is wearing Nike, as it's absurd. They are losing market share. I know nothing about track athletes nor what they are wearing. Perhaps Nike is doing well in that category.

As has been explained previously, the majority of this "not selling shoes as quickly" and "seven consecutive negative sales quarters" is due to Jiiiina. And we've all acknowledged those issues.

Has Nike had "seven consecutive negative sales quarters" in collegiate merchandise? Or NFL merchandise? Doubtful.

I get it, Nike has work to do on the shoe side. Not as far as "quality" goes (though I really can't speak to the running shoe market), but they need to make more profit on shoes generally.

I just think the Swoosh funeral is premature.

 

[Rellyrell]

I see absolutely no proof except some strange brand loyalty. Meanwhile I've posted data again and again and again and again and again and again showing Nike is getting hammered. How many more times do you need to see the data?

Nike is losing sales, it's dropping it's sales forecast, it's on a terrible streak, it's losing massive chunks of its core running shoe market share. Nike has not kept up and the brand is struggling.

The dumbest thing you posted was that DTC was good for Nike. Nike literally fired the CEO because of it. What are you even talking about? I was exactly accurate in my original post when I described how stupid it was and how he had to be replaced. I was exactly accurate when I posted how they lost market share due to Nike ******** over the shops. Meanwhile Hoka now has 25%-50% (I've seen both data sets) market share from the shops. Hoka stepped in and stole that business. This was a huge self own. But hey Nike is like a god or something to you and is perfect in every way.

Listen, Holmes, there’s only one or two posters I’ll read diatribes, & u ain’t @TheOriginalCane

Therefore, between u & me:

 

[ShadowSpring]

As has been explained previously, the majority of this "not selling shoes as quickly" and "seven consecutive negative sales quarters" is due to Jiiiina. And we've all acknowledged those issues.

Has Nike had "seven consecutive negative sales quarters" in collegiate merchandise? Or NFL merchandise? Doubtful.

I get it, Nike has work to do on the shoe side. Not as far as "quality" goes (though I really can't speak to the running shoe market), but they need to make more profit on shoes generally.

I just think the Swoosh funeral is premature.

Bro you've got like 4 or 5 of Nike's competitors seeing 20, 30, 40, sometimes even 50% growth in sales. That data isn't due just to China. There is a running shoe boom, and just cause the numbers don't look so bad for Nike due to that boom, they are still getting clobbered. If you've lost that market share, when the boom is over you will really feel it.

I agree there won't be a funeral. They need to repair relationships with retail shops and release some great products. As I was corrected earlier Nike is still doing well with track athletes etc. When I think of Nike they've always had that in their bag. My opinion is they need to focus on being a true athletic shoe/apparel innovator again.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Listen, Holmes, there’s only one or two posters I’ll read diatribes, & u ain’t @TheOriginalCane

Therefore, between u & me:

In other word you give up.

You've said a bunch of nonsense today. This is too easy bro. The data is just not on your side.

Whenever you come up with 'proof' let me know.

 

[Rellyrell]

In other word you give up.

You've said a bunch of nonsense today. This is too easy bro. The data is just not on your side.

Whenever you come up with 'proof' let me know.

Give up? This was never a debate. Lol. I’m just tired of being ur Dr Phil w/o getting compensated. Lol.

U don’t know who TF I am, so there is no debate on things I actually know, & my track record on this particular here subject e.g letting CIS know athletes signing w Nike or Jordan 2-3 months in advance, teams that will be switching 1-2 yrs in advance, Nike’s stock after the Olympics, etc. etc. shows I don’t need to argue w u, b/c in actuality who is u?

****, I wasn’t even responding to u, fr fr…I just used ur porst as a means to educate the board on ur misinformation.

But that response is all I need to know; u’re emotional, brother.

 

[ShadowSpring]

In other word you give up.

You've said a bunch of nonsense today. This is too easy bro. The data is just not on your side.

Whenever you come up with 'proof' let me know.

Give up? This was never a debate. Lol. I’m just tired of being ur Dr Phil w/o getting compensated. Lol.

U don’t know who TF I am, so there is no debate on things I actually know, & my track record on this particular here subject e.g letting CIS know athletes signing w Nike or Jordan 2-3 months in advance, teams that will be switching 1-2 yrs in advance, Nike’s stock after the Olympics, etc. etc. shows I don’t need to argue w u, b/c in actuality who is u?

****, I wasn’t even responding to u, fr fr…I just used ur porst as a means to educate the board on ur misinformation.

But that response is all I need to know; u’re emotional, brother.

I'm still waiting on you to 'ether' me. Literally all in doing here is posting facts and data. But yeah your an expert that apparently doesn't know what you are talking about or too loyal to a brand to admit it. It's taken me roughly 5 minutes to get the data I needed.

But yeah next time you are on a run with a club, pay special attention to the number of folks not wearing Nike. I'll give you a hint, it's waaaaay less than it was 5 years ago. Think of me when that sinks in and say it loud with all your chest, 7 straight quarters of decreasing sales.

 

[3rdCanes]

Give up? This was never a debate. Lol. I’m just tired of being ur Dr Phil w/o getting compensated. Lol.

U don’t know who TF I am, so there is no debate on things I actually know, & my track record on this particular here subject e.g letting CIS know athletes signing w Nike or Jordan 2-3 months in advance, teams that will be switching 1-2 yrs in advance, Nike’s stock after the Olympics, etc. etc. shows I don’t need to argue w u, b/c in actuality who is u?

****, I wasn’t even responding to u, fr fr…I just used ur porst as a means to educate the board on ur misinformation.

But that response is all I need to know; u’re emotional, brother.

Just walk away. It's not worth it.

 

[Rellyrell]

I'm still waiting on you to 'ether' me. Literally all in doing here is posting facts and data. But yeah your an expert that apparently doesn't know what you are talking about or too loyal to a brand to admit it. It's taken me roughly 5 minutes to get the data I needed.

But yeah next time you are on a run with a club, pay special attention to the number of folks not wearing Nike. I'll give you a hint, it's waaaaay less than it was 5 years ago. Think of me when that sinks in and say it loud with all your chest, 7 straight quarters of decreasing sales.

& I’ve already thoroughly expounded on ur “facts & data” by bringing context. U then went on some running rant, b/c u didn’t like that I said Nike’s running division is keeping them stable, so what did I do? Post a recent article showing how despite the turmoil, Nike’s running division has actually gained market share. U’ve been peppered by myself and others with ACTUAL data debunking a lot of **** u’ve said, so my friend, b/c I don’t care for ur type on this board, welcome to my block list.

So long, farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, adieu.

 

[Garnacho]

Again we are taking here about consumers and sales. According to this logic everything is fine at Nike and there's no problems. So why are they not selling shoes as quickly as their competitors and have seven consecutive negative sales quarters? The argument isn't nobody is wearing Nike, as it's absurd. They are losing market share. I know nothing about track athletes nor what they are wearing. Perhaps Nike is doing well in that category.

Honestly, I think you’re speaking of a niche market that peaked 10 years ago and then had a little renaissance from Covid. It’s still an important market for Nike’s reputation but it’s not as critical as Asia or its lifestyle dilemma. And honestly, it’s a fad-driven niche market and I feel like they addressed the fad with making the Vomero a high stack shoe, just like they did with the Nike Free 20 years ago when minimalist was the fad. But as far as “PERFORMANCE” goes, Nike is the R&D king and literally every super-spike and super-shoe, including Hoka’s, is a copy of what Nike introduced 10 years ago.

 

[ShadowSpring]

I'm still waiting on you to 'ether' me. Literally all in doing here is posting facts and data. But yeah your an expert that apparently doesn't know what you are talking about or too loyal to a brand to admit it. It's taken me roughly 5 minutes to get the data I needed.

But yeah next time you are on a run with a club, pay special attention to the number of folks not wearing Nike. I'll give you a hint, it's waaaaay less than it was 5 years ago. Think of me when that sinks in and say it loud with all your chest, 7 straight quarters of decreasing sales.

& I’ve already thoroughly expounded on ur “facts & data” by bringing context. U then went on some running rant, b/c u didn’t like that I said Nike’s running division is keeping them stable, so what did I do? Post a recent article showing how despite the turmoil, Nike’s running division has actually gained market share. U’ve been peppered by myself and others with ACTUAL data debunking a lot of **** u’ve said, so my friend, b/c I don’t care for ur type on this board, welcome to my block list.

So long, farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, adieu.

I love math. Let's use some math! Maybe throw in some context.

Nike running saw roughly 10 to 15% increase in running shoe sales. That article said double digits. Sounds impressive BUT maybe it's not. This is a loss of market share tho because there's a running shoe boom. Shoe and apparel companies are killing it, that aren't named Nike. Adidas saw a gain of 30%. On Cloud is up 50%. Hoka is up anywhere from 30 to 50% currently, they've been averaging 50%. New Balance is up 20-30% and up 180% since 2020. Brooks is up 23% with 9 straight years of increasing sales, especially painful for Nike is they are up over 100% in China, killing them. Skechers is up roughly 18%, but has been taking market share for years. Was hoping for better numbers as I do like Skechers running shoes. Salomon is also up and surprised to see this, 30%. I almost forgot Asics, and yup you guessed it, they are up 23%. So no, nope, nada. Nike is losing market share rapidly. Nike is getting an ever smaller piece of what is overall a growing pie. When or if running shoe demand slows overall Nike is really going to be in trouble.

With numbers like this from its competitors, like are we really gonna be like yeah it's not so bad Nike is down 2% overall? YES ITS VERY BAD. How are you down 2% when most of your competitors are up like 30%?

I need to sell shoes, some of these numbers are insane. Hopefully these people are running and not just wearing comfortable shoes.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Again we are taking here about consumers and sales. According to this logic everything is fine at Nike and there's no problems. So why are they not selling shoes as quickly as their competitors and have seven consecutive negative sales quarters? The argument isn't nobody is wearing Nike, as it's absurd. They are losing market share. I know nothing about track athletes nor what they are wearing. Perhaps Nike is doing well in that category.

Honestly, I think you’re speaking of a niche market that peaked 10 years ago and then had a little renaissance from Covid. It’s still an important market for Nike’s reputation but it’s not as critical as Asia or its lifestyle dilemma. And honestly, it’s a fad-driven niche market and I feel like they addressed the fad with making the Vomero a high stack shoe, just like they did with the Nike Free 20 years ago when minimalist was the fad. But as far as “PERFORMANCE” goes, Nike is the R&D king and literally every super-spike and super-shoe, including Hoka’s, is a copy of what Nike introduced 10 years ago.

I agree with a good chunk of this and clearly you know more about track athletes. But I will just point out you said released 10 years ago. Yeah Nike was always releasing something innovative. They started the plate shoe race with the Vaporfly. Nike needs to get back to that. It's been a while. That's the Nike I grew up with.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Bro you've got like 4 or 5 of Nike's competitors seeing 20, 30, 40, sometimes even 50% growth in sales. That data isn't due just to China. There is a running shoe boom, and just cause the numbers don't look so bad for Nike due to that boom, they are still getting clobbered. If you've lost that market share, when the boom is over you will really feel it.

I agree there won't be a funeral. They need to repair relationships with retail shops and release some great products. As I was corrected earlier Nike is still doing well with track athletes etc. When I think of Nike they've always had that in their bag. My opinion is they need to focus on being a true athletic shoe/apparel innovator again.

My brother, I can try to help you with math and statistics, if you are willing.

A competitor's "percentage growth" in sales does NOT correspond to an equal decline in Nike's sales. The reason is the BASE of the comparison.

Thus, if a competitor has $1,000 of sales, and then they grow FIFTY PERCENT, that means they now have $1,500 of sales. But if Nike's sales are $100 million, then they barely notice that they lost $500 of sales. The percentage that Nike "loses" is miniscule.

And that's just in a case where the entire market isn't GROWING. For instance, it's possible for the competitor to have $500 more sales AND for Nike to have more sales.

Never forget the Mark Twain quote about "lies, **** lies, and statistics".

All along, you have treated "sales growth percentages" as being some zero-sum game that harms Nike. And you are citing statistics in one segment of the industry, running shoes. Meanwhile, I haven't heard that these smaller competitors are making similar gains in, say, basketball shoes. Has Hoka or On released a model that competes with the 41 Air Jordan models? Let me know when THAT happens.

I wasn't wrong when I said that Nike has lost a lot of volume AND profit in China. That is absolutely true. And my point doesn't necessarily detract from your points. I'm simply saying that while a few competitors have made inroads in one sneaker segment, the MUCH LARGER VOLUME that Nike sells means that, while annoying, the percentage "drop" on the Nike side isn't nearly as significant TO NIKE.

Statistics are tricky.

 

[sedlst11]

I love math. Let's use some math! Maybe throw in some context.

Nike running saw roughly 10 to 15% increase in running shoe sales. That article said double digits. Sounds impressive BUT maybe it's not. This is a loss of market share tho because there's a running shoe boom. Shoe and apparel companies are killing it, that aren't named Nike. Adidas saw a gain of 30%. On Cloud is up 50%. Hoka is up anywhere from 30 to 50% currently, they've been averaging 50%. New Balance is up 20-30% and up 180% since 2020. Brooks is up 23% with 9 straight years of increasing sales, especially painful for Nike is they are up over 100% in China, killing them. Skechers is up roughly 18%, but has been taking market share for years. Was hoping for better numbers as I do like Skechers running shoes. Salomon is also up and surprised to see this, 30%. I almost forgot Asics, and yup you guessed it, they are up 23%. So no, nope, nada. Nike is losing market share rapidly. Nike is getting an ever smaller piece of what is overall a growing pie. When or if running shoe demand slows overall Nike is really going to be in trouble.

With numbers like this from its competitors, like are we really gonna be like yeah it's not so bad Nike is down 2% overall? YES ITS VERY BAD. How are you down 2% when most of your competitors are up like 30%?

I need to sell shoes, some of these numbers are insane. Hopefully these people are running and not just wearing comfortable shoes.

What’s pumas numbers looking like? I know they’ve capitalized on the Hyrox market. But people scoff at the running but guess what everyone can run and if they buy shoes from those brands, guess what else they’re buying from there clothes too.