NC are threatening to yank UNC and NC State out of ACC

[KrazyCane]

The state of NC was even more stupid for making an issue out of which bathroom people **** in.

Not my understanding of the issue. The law apparently accommodates those transgenders that actually have gone through the transition of mutilating their body parts to conform to their preferred sexual identity.

It was really meant to cut the confusion of those who are biologically/anatomically intact and want to **** in whatever bathroom to express whatever gender identity they felt like on any given day.

And yes, those do exist. I recall a masters level sexuality class I took that was taught by a biologically male individual who would dress accordingly to what identity happened to be speaking to him that day.

It is the other side of this issue that is making more of it than it needs to be. I thought the law was an appropriate compromise and minimized some of the liberal nonsense out there making this issue a cause celebre.

The original law was not appropriate at all, on several levels.

Top line, the bathroom issue was only one part of the original law. The rest of it took away the ability of cities within NC to make city-level ordinances that extended non-discrimination protections to LGBT folks. And it took away the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination within the state; it stipulated that any such case would need to be seen at the fed level, which is much more costly to victims, and thus it would discourage them from bringing such cases. And further, it took away the ability of cities to make city-level ordinances regarding minimum wage.

Basically, it stripped the power from cities to govern themselves on a couple different fronts, and it stripped rights from LGBT folks. At its heart, it was a move by the Repub legislators from rural, bible-thumping areas of NC to put the clamps on the urban, liberal areas like Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Asheville.

Keep in mind, there's currently a bill floating around the Rs in the NC legislature that would outlaw marriage, even though it's the law of the land at the federal level now. So obviously, R legislators in NC really don't like the ****. And that may be another reason why they might logically fear push-back from the ACC/NCAA at this point in time, even beyond the HB2 debacle.

Aside from all of that, if you want to focus only on the bathroom issue, the law was unenforceable and just kinda dumb. We already have laws on the books that punish people for peeping-tom activities and for molesting/assaulting people. Trans people aren't molesting folks or spying on women and children. So it really comes down to bigotry, plain and simple.

VERY DEBATABLE

Dude, shut up

lol dont get offended bc its very likely that a good portion of those that call themselves "trans" are pervs and pedophiles that get off on spying on women, children, while wearing dresses

 

[calinative umstudent]

This has all already been discussed:
https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/acccg-headed-charlotte/118396?highlight=hb2

 

[Bunker Mentality]

Not my understanding of the issue. The law apparently accommodates those transgenders that actually have gone through the transition of mutilating their body parts to conform to their preferred sexual identity.

It was really meant to cut the confusion of those who are biologically/anatomically intact and want to **** in whatever bathroom to express whatever gender identity they felt like on any given day.

And yes, those do exist. I recall a masters level sexuality class I took that was taught by a biologically male individual who would dress accordingly to what identity happened to be speaking to him that day.

It is the other side of this issue that is making more of it than it needs to be. I thought the law was an appropriate compromise and minimized some of the liberal nonsense out there making this issue a cause celebre.

The original law was not appropriate at all, on several levels.

Top line, the bathroom issue was only one part of the original law. The rest of it took away the ability of cities within NC to make city-level ordinances that extended non-discrimination protections to LGBT folks. And it took away the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination within the state; it stipulated that any such case would need to be seen at the fed level, which is much more costly to victims, and thus it would discourage them from bringing such cases. And further, it took away the ability of cities to make city-level ordinances regarding minimum wage.

Basically, it stripped the power from cities to govern themselves on a couple different fronts, and it stripped rights from LGBT folks. At its heart, it was a move by the Repub legislators from rural, bible-thumping areas of NC to put the clamps on the urban, liberal areas like Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Asheville.

Keep in mind, there's currently a bill floating around the Rs in the NC legislature that would outlaw marriage, even though it's the law of the land at the federal level now. So obviously, R legislators in NC really don't like the ****. And that may be another reason why they might logically fear push-back from the ACC/NCAA at this point in time, even beyond the HB2 debacle.

Aside from all of that, if you want to focus only on the bathroom issue, the law was unenforceable and just kinda dumb. We already have laws on the books that punish people for peeping-tom activities and for molesting/assaulting people. Trans people aren't molesting folks or spying on women and children. So it really comes down to bigotry, plain and simple.

VERY DEBATABLE

Not really.

I'm not saying trans people are predisposed to deviancy. That is not really the problem for me. There just needs to be some semblance of law and order that takes into account everyone's sensibilities and not just those on either extreme side of the issue.

I suspect most people entering public bathrooms were not thinking who was actually using the bathrooms until this became an issue for **** and transgendered people wanting to validate their culture and lifestyle to the rest of society by forcing the issue of bathroom use as a civils rights cause. Before that if you were discreet enough and dressed the part you could probably get away with it with little fanfare. Some people could care less about this issue, some people obviously care more. Since we are a society of mixed belief systems we have to be fair minded and sensible how we approach this on a public level.

I am not familiar with the entire law to comment on the other issues you mention. There aught to be basic rights and protections for everyone. But in terms of the bathroom issue it seems drawing the line between those committed transgendered people that have gone through the transformation and those that want to decide on a whim what gender orientation they want to express on a given day seems reasonable to most people.

In terms of marriage the issue was actually forcing a change in the actual definition of the term. Even though some states have domestic partnership rights/protections that are similar to hetero married couples this did not seem enough for some homosexuals and their liberal cohorts. So now they want to change the way we define a longstanding cultural/historical term to suit their own needs. Again, it is this incessant need for validation of their culture and lifestyle that force their personal issues down everyone's throat while overriding what seems are very pragmatic solutions that most of us with divergent beliefs can still live with in civil society.

well said.

 

[Salt]

The original law was not appropriate at all, on several levels.

Top line, the bathroom issue was only one part of the original law. The rest of it took away the ability of cities within NC to make city-level ordinances that extended non-discrimination protections to LGBT folks. And it took away the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination within the state; it stipulated that any such case would need to be seen at the fed level, which is much more costly to victims, and thus it would discourage them from bringing such cases. And further, it took away the ability of cities to make city-level ordinances regarding minimum wage.

Basically, it stripped the power from cities to govern themselves on a couple different fronts, and it stripped rights from LGBT folks. At its heart, it was a move by the Repub legislators from rural, bible-thumping areas of NC to put the clamps on the urban, liberal areas like Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Asheville.

Keep in mind, there's currently a bill floating around the Rs in the NC legislature that would outlaw marriage, even though it's the law of the land at the federal level now. So obviously, R legislators in NC really don't like the ****. And that may be another reason why they might logically fear push-back from the ACC/NCAA at this point in time, even beyond the HB2 debacle.

Aside from all of that, if you want to focus only on the bathroom issue, the law was unenforceable and just kinda dumb. We already have laws on the books that punish people for peeping-tom activities and for molesting/assaulting people. Trans people aren't molesting folks or spying on women and children. So it really comes down to bigotry, plain and simple.

VERY DEBATABLE

Not really.

I'm not saying trans people are predisposed to deviancy. That is not really the problem for me. There just needs to be some semblance of law and order that takes into account everyone's sensibilities and not just those on either extreme side of the issue.

I suspect most people entering public bathrooms were not thinking who was actually using the bathrooms until this became an issue for **** and transgendered people wanting to validate their culture and lifestyle to the rest of society by forcing the issue of bathroom use as a civils rights cause. Before that if you were discreet enough and dressed the part you could probably get away with it with little fanfare. Some people could care less about this issue, some people obviously care more. Since we are a society of mixed belief systems we have to be fair minded and sensible how we approach this on a public level.

I am not familiar with the entire law to comment on the other issues you mention. There aught to be basic rights and protections for everyone. But in terms of the bathroom issue it seems drawing the line between those committed transgendered people that have gone through the transformation and those that want to decide on a whim what gender orientation they want to express on a given day seems reasonable to most people.

In terms of marriage the issue was actually forcing a change in the actual definition of the term. Even though some states have domestic partnership rights/protections that are similar to hetero married couples this did not seem enough for some homosexuals and their liberal cohorts. So now they want to change the way we define a longstanding cultural/historical term to suit their own needs. Again, it is this incessant need for validation of their culture and lifestyle that force their personal issues down everyone's throat while overriding what seems are very pragmatic solutions that most of us with divergent beliefs can still live with in civil society.

The problem is that you can't enforce a "law of the land" on something like this. You can't go around checking people's junk to make sure that they're going **** in the right place.

What you can do is assume that anyone who acts, looks, and dresses like a woman should go to the women's room, and anyone who acts, looks, and dresses like a man should go into the men's room.

In the absence of any real crime, that's really all you can do, and that should suffice for "law and order"--it has sufficed for a couple centuries, since we started divvying up men's and women's rooms.

Again, if it wasn't an issue "for centuries" before, or even really considered, who or what forced this issue into the limelight? Was it even necessary? The attempt to legislate a law like this however flawed it might be did not just originate out of a vacuum. And I doubt it was the NC govt. that wanted this attention.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

It's all fun and games and political correctness until your little girl comes out of the ladies room crying.

I remember when this board was about football.

Except for the fact that has never happened... I understand the sentiment & agree with it to a certain extent, but that's simply a straw man.

Look, I'm no "left wing liberal" Democrat by any means, nor am I hardcore right wing conservative republican either, but the reality is that law was just plain stupid. It's old antiquated thinking & it comes from the overzealous religious right.

I'm not a fan of the LBGTBBQ crowd either, I think they're some of the biggest group of hypocrites in the country, I legit don't like they're attempt to co-opt the civil rights movement & their constant fake outrage Mafia only serves as a detriment to free speech, whenever they get upset at comedians for making ghay jokes etc..

So, regardless which side of the political isle you stand on, any reasonable minded person can see that North Carolina's legislators are operating under some old school bull**** & only causing more trouble in their state than actually helping make things better.

Bringing it back to Sports, whatever it takes to eliminate the stronghold that Tobacco Road has over the ACC I'm all for.

I'm tired of UNC running this conference, they get away with blatant cheating & the sooner they're taken out the better for us in both Football & Basketball.

yea, it further marginalizes the most downtrodden and least valued demographic in our society. When you fail to distinguish social injustices for purposes of remaining PC, it undermines the movement. If ten people are all talking at the same time it's hard to hear what any one is saying.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

The ACC is so stupid for turning playing football into a political issue.... how many mental weirdos "trannies" watch football anyway?

The state of NC was even more stupid for making an issue out of which bathroom people **** in.

Not my understanding of the issue. The law apparently accommodates those transgenders that actually have gone through the transition of mutilating their body parts to conform to their preferred sexual identity.

It was really meant to cut the confusion of those who are biologically/anatomically intact and want to **** in whatever bathroom to express whatever gender identity they felt like on any given day.

And yes, those do exist. I recall a masters level sexuality class I took that was taught by a biologically male individual who would dress accordingly to what identity happened to be speaking to him that day.

It is the other side of this issue that is making more of it than it needs to be. I thought the law was an appropriate compromise and minimized some of the liberal nonsense out there making this issue a cause celebre.

The original law was not appropriate at all, on several levels.

Top line, the bathroom issue was only one part of the original law. The rest of it took away the ability of cities within NC to make city-level ordinances that extended non-discrimination protections to LGBT folks. And it took away the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination within the state; it stipulated that any such case would need to be seen at the fed level, which is much more costly to victims, and thus it would discourage them from bringing such cases. And further, it took away the ability of cities to make city-level ordinances regarding minimum wage.

Basically, it stripped the power from cities to govern themselves on a couple different fronts, and it stripped rights from LGBT folks. At its heart, it was a move by the Repub legislators from rural, bible-thumping areas of NC to put the clamps on the urban, liberal areas like Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Asheville.

Keep in mind, there's currently a bill floating around the Rs in the NC legislature that would outlaw ghey marriage, even though it's the law of the land at the federal level now. So obviously, R legislators in NC really don't like the ****. And that may be another reason why they might logically fear push-back from the ACC/NCAA at this point in time, even beyond the HB2 debacle.

Aside from all of that, if you want to focus only on the bathroom issue, the law was unenforceable and just kinda dumb. We already have laws on the books that punish people for peeping-tom activities and for molesting/assaulting people. Trans people aren't molesting folks or spying on women and children. So it really comes down to bigotry, plain and simple.

All due respect, but you can't speak for all Trans people, pedos, and pervs.

 

[Boston_Cane]

It's all fun and games and political correctness until your little girl comes out of the ladies room crying.

I remember when this board was about football.

The little girl will never notice the trans woman in the ladies room because she looks like a lady. You're supporting trans guys using the ladies room, which really could upset little girls. Trans guys dress like men, may have facial hair etc. yet this law forces them to use the ladies room. Use your head.

 

[Chuckles]

The farce is strong within this thread. Some of you "guys" (is it PC to say that) all sound like you're a twenty-something kid writing to score points with some useless professor in some useless social justice class, but again this used to be a board to learn about and discuss the Miami Hurricanes football team.

Mod's need to decide if they're into this to promote this and that activism or to talk football. But before some poofter has to comment on that it's true no one if forcing me to read it. That's easy enough to do, I know the long-time posters and mods that actually have something football relevant to say.

Others are free to whine because their boyfriend partner or whatever is confused and they want to make the world a friendlier place for it. It's a shame y'all don't have your own forum for that--free of the rest of us who are unburdened with those concerns.

So will N'Kosi Perry become the QB starter in the fall? Don't know. Would be great if he can. I think it's unlikely.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

I have a medium sized caulk.

That's what the girls tell me anyways.

Guys seem to think it's bigger.

 

[Salt]

The farce is strong within this thread. Some of you "guys" (is it PC to say that) all sound like you're a twenty-something kid writing to score points with some useless professor in some useless social justice class, but again this used to be a board to learn about and discuss the Miami Hurricanes football team.

Mod's need to decide if they're into this to promote this and that activism or to talk football. But before some poofter has to comment on that it's true no one if forcing me to read it. That's easy enough to do, I know the long-time posters and mods that actually have something football relevant to say.

Others are free to whine because their boyfriend partner or whatever is confused and they want to make the world a friendlier place for it. It's a shame y'all don't have your own forum for that--free of the rest of us who are unburdened with those concerns.

So will N'Kosi Perry become the QB starter in the fall? Don't know. Would be great if he can. I think it's unlikely.

Plenty of other football threads talking about that. But in truth N'Kosi has nothing to do with this topic. You are certainly free to chime in those other threads if you don't care about this one.

 

[Hurricanemike32]

Republicans are obsessed with homosexuals.

I am a republican and I couldn't care less about homosexuals.

 

[Notsince1985]

Not my understanding of the issue. The law apparently accommodates those transgenders that actually have gone through the transition of mutilating their body parts to conform to their preferred sexual identity.

It was really meant to cut the confusion of those who are biologically/anatomically intact and want to **** in whatever bathroom to express whatever gender identity they felt like on any given day.

And yes, those do exist. I recall a masters level sexuality class I took that was taught by a biologically male individual who would dress accordingly to what identity happened to be speaking to him that day.

It is the other side of this issue that is making more of it than it needs to be. I thought the law was an appropriate compromise and minimized some of the liberal nonsense out there making this issue a cause celebre.

The original law was not appropriate at all, on several levels.

Top line, the bathroom issue was only one part of the original law. The rest of it took away the ability of cities within NC to make city-level ordinances that extended non-discrimination protections to LGBT folks. And it took away the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination within the state; it stipulated that any such case would need to be seen at the fed level, which is much more costly to victims, and thus it would discourage them from bringing such cases. And further, it took away the ability of cities to make city-level ordinances regarding minimum wage.

Basically, it stripped the power from cities to govern themselves on a couple different fronts, and it stripped rights from LGBT folks. At its heart, it was a move by the Repub legislators from rural, bible-thumping areas of NC to put the clamps on the urban, liberal areas like Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Asheville.

Keep in mind, there's currently a bill floating around the Rs in the NC legislature that would outlaw marriage, even though it's the law of the land at the federal level now. So obviously, R legislators in NC really don't like the ****. And that may be another reason why they might logically fear push-back from the ACC/NCAA at this point in time, even beyond the HB2 debacle.

Aside from all of that, if you want to focus only on the bathroom issue, the law was unenforceable and just kinda dumb. We already have laws on the books that punish people for peeping-tom activities and for molesting/assaulting people. Trans people aren't molesting folks or spying on women and children. So it really comes down to bigotry, plain and simple.

VERY DEBATABLE

Dude, shut up

lol dont get offended bc its very likely that a good portion of those that call themselves "trans" are pervs and pedophiles that get off on spying on women, children, while wearing dresses

I'm offended at how stupid and bigoted you are

 

[Boston_Cane]

The farce is strong within this thread. Some of you "guys" (is it PC to say that) all sound like you're a twenty-something kid writing to score points with some useless professor in some useless social justice class, but again this used to be a board to learn about and discuss the Miami Hurricanes football team.

Mod's need to decide if they're into this to promote this and that activism or to talk football. But before some poofter has to comment on that it's true no one if forcing me to read it. That's easy enough to do, I know the long-time posters and mods that actually have something football relevant to say.

Others are free to whine because their boyfriend partner or whatever is confused and they want to make the world a friendlier place for it. It's a shame y'all don't have your own forum for that--free of the rest of us who are unburdened with those concerns.

So will N'Kosi Perry become the QB starter in the fall? Don't know. Would be great if he can. I think it's unlikely.

You beseech us to think of the little girls while advocating that what looks to the sane world like a trucker with a full beard and a 300 bench should by law be forced to use he same bathroom as that little girl. You are a hypocrite and a moron.

 

[77cane]

The ACC is so stupid for turning playing football into a political issue.... how many mental weirdos "trannies" watch football anyway?

The state of NC was even more stupid for making an issue out of which bathroom people **** in.

Not my understanding of the issue. The law apparently accommodates those transgenders that actually have gone through the transition of mutilating their body parts to conform to their preferred sexual identity.

It was really meant to cut the confusion of those who are biologically/anatomically intact and want to **** in whatever bathroom to express whatever gender identity they felt like on any given day.

And yes, those do exist. I recall a masters level sexuality class I took that was taught by a biologically male individual who would dress accordingly to what identity happened to be speaking to him that day.

It is the other side of this issue that is making more of it than it needs to be. I thought the law was an appropriate compromise and minimized some of the liberal nonsense out there making this issue a cause celebre.

The original law was not appropriate at all, on several levels.

Top line, the bathroom issue was only one part of the original law. The rest of it took away the ability of cities within NC to make city-level ordinances that extended non-discrimination protections to LGBT folks. And it took away the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination within the state; it stipulated that any such case would need to be seen at the fed level, which is much more costly to victims, and thus it would discourage them from bringing such cases. And further, it took away the ability of cities to make city-level ordinances regarding minimum wage.

Basically, it stripped the power from cities to govern themselves on a couple different fronts, and it stripped rights from LGBT folks. At its heart, it was a move by the Repub legislators from rural, bible-thumping areas of NC to put the clamps on the urban, liberal areas like Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Asheville.

Keep in mind, there's currently a bill floating around the Rs in the NC legislature that would outlaw ghey marriage, even though it's the law of the land at the federal level now. So obviously, R legislators in NC really don't like the ****. And that may be another reason why they might logically fear push-back from the ACC/NCAA at this point in time, even beyond the HB2 debacle.

Aside from all of that, if you want to focus only on the bathroom issue, the law was unenforceable and just kinda dumb. We already have laws on the books that punish people for peeping-tom activities and for molesting/assaulting people. Trans people aren't molesting folks or spying on women and children. So it really comes down to bigotry, plain and simple.

Not wanting a grown man using the women's restroom is not bigotry. The bathroom issue IS what got North Carolina in this position. If you think
There will not be men following women and young girls into restrooms for other than normal usage, you are extremely ignorant. This identifying with being someone else doesn't make it so. If you have a *****, stay out of the women's restroom. Common sense is out the door these days.
Follow a daughter of mine in there and you will have a major problem. Why is it if someone disagrees with the PC crowd, they label say you a with a phobia or you're a bigot. I don't believe they have a clue what these words means. Name calling arises from defending weak arguments.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

The ACC is so stupid for turning playing football into a political issue.... how many mental weirdos "trannies" watch football anyway?

The state of NC was even more stupid for making an issue out of which bathroom people **** in.

Not my understanding of the issue. The law apparently accommodates those transgenders that actually have gone through the transition of mutilating their body parts to conform to their preferred sexual identity.

It was really meant to cut the confusion of those who are biologically/anatomically intact and want to **** in whatever bathroom to express whatever gender identity they felt like on any given day.

And yes, those do exist. I recall a masters level sexuality class I took that was taught by a biologically male individual who would dress accordingly to what identity happened to be speaking to him that day.

It is the other side of this issue that is making more of it than it needs to be. I thought the law was an appropriate compromise and minimized some of the liberal nonsense out there making this issue a cause celebre.

The original law was not appropriate at all, on several levels.

Top line, the bathroom issue was only one part of the original law. The rest of it took away the ability of cities within NC to make city-level ordinances that extended non-discrimination protections to LGBT folks. And it took away the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination within the state; it stipulated that any such case would need to be seen at the fed level, which is much more costly to victims, and thus it would discourage them from bringing such cases. And further, it took away the ability of cities to make city-level ordinances regarding minimum wage.

Basically, it stripped the power from cities to govern themselves on a couple different fronts, and it stripped rights from LGBT folks. At its heart, it was a move by the Repub legislators from rural, bible-thumping areas of NC to put the clamps on the urban, liberal areas like Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Asheville.

Keep in mind, there's currently a bill floating around the Rs in the NC legislature that would outlaw ghey marriage, even though it's the law of the land at the federal level now. So obviously, R legislators in NC really don't like the ****. And that may be another reason why they might logically fear push-back from the ACC/NCAA at this point in time, even beyond the HB2 debacle.

Aside from all of that, if you want to focus only on the bathroom issue, the law was unenforceable and just kinda dumb. We already have laws on the books that punish people for peeping-tom activities and for molesting/assaulting people. Trans people aren't molesting folks or spying on women and children. So it really comes down to bigotry, plain and simple.

Not wanting a grown man using the women's restroom is not bigotry. The bathroom issue IS what got North Carolina in this position. If you think
There will not be men following women and young girls into restrooms for other than normal usage, you are extremely ignorant. This identifying with being someone else doesn't make it so. If you have a *****, stay out of the women's restroom. Common sense is out the door these days.
Follow a daughter of mine in there and you will have a major problem. Why is it if someone disagrees with the PC crowd, they label say you a with a phobia or you're a bigot. I don't believe they have a clue what these words means. Name calling arises from defending weak arguments.

Here's the thing.

There are something like 200 cities and a dozen states that already have laws on the books that allow trans people to use whatever restroom they want. Some of those laws date back 20 years or more.

In NONE of those cities or states has there been a big rise in straight men dressing up as women to get access to ladies rooms, or straight men following women/girls into bathrooms to assault them.

As i said, we already have laws on the books that discourage and/or punish people for spying on women in bathrooms or molesting them. That's not to say that such things never happen; there will always be some pervs who do it, and when they get caught, they are punished. But it is to say that trans bathroom laws have nothing to do with it.

It's ignorant because you're ignoring the evidence and relying on a gut-level fear (phobia) that men are gonna take advantage of this law to do bad things to your daughter. It's your argument that is weak, not mine.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

VERY DEBATABLE

Not really.

I'm not saying trans people are predisposed to deviancy. That is not really the problem for me. There just needs to be some semblance of law and order that takes into account everyone's sensibilities and not just those on either extreme side of the issue.

I suspect most people entering public bathrooms were not thinking who was actually using the bathrooms until this became an issue for **** and transgendered people wanting to validate their culture and lifestyle to the rest of society by forcing the issue of bathroom use as a civils rights cause. Before that if you were discreet enough and dressed the part you could probably get away with it with little fanfare. Some people could care less about this issue, some people obviously care more. Since we are a society of mixed belief systems we have to be fair minded and sensible how we approach this on a public level.

I am not familiar with the entire law to comment on the other issues you mention. There aught to be basic rights and protections for everyone. But in terms of the bathroom issue it seems drawing the line between those committed transgendered people that have gone through the transformation and those that want to decide on a whim what gender orientation they want to express on a given day seems reasonable to most people.

In terms of marriage the issue was actually forcing a change in the actual definition of the term. Even though some states have domestic partnership rights/protections that are similar to hetero married couples this did not seem enough for some homosexuals and their liberal cohorts. So now they want to change the way we define a longstanding cultural/historical term to suit their own needs. Again, it is this incessant need for validation of their culture and lifestyle that force their personal issues down everyone's throat while overriding what seems are very pragmatic solutions that most of us with divergent beliefs can still live with in civil society.

The problem is that you can't enforce a "law of the land" on something like this. You can't go around checking people's junk to make sure that they're going **** in the right place.

What you can do is assume that anyone who acts, looks, and dresses like a woman should go to the women's room, and anyone who acts, looks, and dresses like a man should go into the men's room.

In the absence of any real crime, that's really all you can do, and that should suffice for "law and order"--it has sufficed for a couple centuries, since we started divvying up men's and women's rooms.

Again, if it wasn't an issue "for centuries" before, or even really considered, who or what forced this issue into the limelight? Was it even necessary? The attempt to legislate a law like this however flawed it might be did not just originate out of a vacuum. And I doubt it was the NC govt. that wanted this attention.

What tipped the situation off in NC was that the city of Charlotte passed an ordinance in Feb of 2016 that extended non-discrimination protections to LGBT people (the state of NC does not have any such policies on the books; it's still legal to fire someone for being ghey or trans).

The text of the ordinance stated that LGBT people could not be discriminated against in "places of public accommodation" (meaning bars, restaurants, stores). It also gave trans people the right to use whatever restroom they choose. The organizers of the bill had done their research and seen that 225 cities and 17 states have similar laws on the books, so there was precedent...this wasn't something they just pulled out of thin air to cause a ruckus.

Then the Repub legislators went ape****, as I've discussed in previous posts. And that's what got us to where we are now.

 

[Clwtrdan]

It's not really the bathroom issue. Any person can go into a stall and do their business. I don't care. But it also applies to locker rooms and showers. I don't want my wife or grandkids exposed to a swinging **** walking around the locker room or hanging out in the showers leering no matter what *** they may think they are that day. But my sons may enjoy seeing a broad in the men's room with T&A hanging out.

 

[Salt]

The state of NC was even more stupid for making an issue out of which bathroom people **** in.

Not my understanding of the issue. The law apparently accommodates those transgenders that actually have gone through the transition of mutilating their body parts to conform to their preferred sexual identity.

It was really meant to cut the confusion of those who are biologically/anatomically intact and want to **** in whatever bathroom to express whatever gender identity they felt like on any given day.

And yes, those do exist. I recall a masters level sexuality class I took that was taught by a biologically male individual who would dress accordingly to what identity happened to be speaking to him that day.

It is the other side of this issue that is making more of it than it needs to be. I thought the law was an appropriate compromise and minimized some of the liberal nonsense out there making this issue a cause celebre.

The original law was not appropriate at all, on several levels.

Top line, the bathroom issue was only one part of the original law. The rest of it took away the ability of cities within NC to make city-level ordinances that extended non-discrimination protections to LGBT folks. And it took away the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination within the state; it stipulated that any such case would need to be seen at the fed level, which is much more costly to victims, and thus it would discourage them from bringing such cases. And further, it took away the ability of cities to make city-level ordinances regarding minimum wage.

Basically, it stripped the power from cities to govern themselves on a couple different fronts, and it stripped rights from LGBT folks. At its heart, it was a move by the Repub legislators from rural, bible-thumping areas of NC to put the clamps on the urban, liberal areas like Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Asheville.

Keep in mind, there's currently a bill floating around the Rs in the NC legislature that would outlaw ghey marriage, even though it's the law of the land at the federal level now. So obviously, R legislators in NC really don't like the ****. And that may be another reason why they might logically fear push-back from the ACC/NCAA at this point in time, even beyond the HB2 debacle.

Aside from all of that, if you want to focus only on the bathroom issue, the law was unenforceable and just kinda dumb. We already have laws on the books that punish people for peeping-tom activities and for molesting/assaulting people. Trans people aren't molesting folks or spying on women and children. So it really comes down to bigotry, plain and simple.

Not wanting a grown man using the women's restroom is not bigotry. The bathroom issue IS what got North Carolina in this position. If you think
There will not be men following women and young girls into restrooms for other than normal usage, you are extremely ignorant. This identifying with being someone else doesn't make it so. If you have a *****, stay out of the women's restroom. Common sense is out the door these days.
Follow a daughter of mine in there and you will have a major problem. Why is it if someone disagrees with the PC crowd, they label say you a with a phobia or you're a bigot. I don't believe they have a clue what these words means. Name calling arises from defending weak arguments.

Here's the thing.

There are something like 200 cities and a dozen states that already have laws on the books that allow trans people to use whatever restroom they want. Some of those laws date back 20 years or more.

In NONE of those cities or states has there been a big rise in straight men dressing up as women to get access to ladies rooms, or straight men following women/girls into bathrooms to assault them.

As i said, we already have laws on the books that discourage and/or punish people for spying on women in bathrooms or molesting them. That's not to say that such things never happen; there will always be some pervs who do it, and when they get caught, they are punished. But it is to say that trans bathroom laws have nothing to do with it.

It's ignorant because you're ignoring the evidence and relying on a gut-level fear (phobia) that men are gonna take advantage of this law to do bad things to your daughter. It's your argument that is weak, not mine.

It seems that you really need to define what "transgender" really means. The ordinance is pretty vague on that front if it allows any individual to use the bathroom of the *** they identify with.

I think this is the main problem. If it limits it to those that have actually transitioned then that seems pretty reasonable. Otherwise, the vagueness opens it up to all sorts of potential issues.

From what I have read the other aspects of the ordinance dealing with other types of discrimination of lbgt individuals was not that controversial. It was the bathroom issue that was the crux of the controversy.

It seems that there is some unfortunate conflation going on of the bathroom issue with these other protections mentioned in the ordinance that if you are against the former implies that you are against all of it. I don't think that is being accurately represented in the public debate of the issue.

 

[TheEye]

I would LOVE to see how many lawmakers would jump on board this political quagmire! Where the F are those schools going to at this point in the game? I'm sure people there are lining up to go see games in Austin, Tx.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Republicans are obsessed with homosexuals.

I am a republican and I couldn't care less about homosexuals.

If a homosexual jumped on your back, would you beat him off?