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Martell’s Attorney re: NCAA Waiver

MIATL said:
Ohio State didn’t receive any punishment from the NCAA from the situation you’re trying to use.

I can’t imagine they will buy that argument.

If he was so appalled, why stay? He actually would have had a better case for leaving if he pushed this approach when the story broke, IMO.
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They self imposed just like uga did...racist player was dismissed at uga and urban liar was suspended
 
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MIATL said:
His family is not making the decision. He, as an adult, is making the decision.

The same way Jeff Thomas is making his own decisions. Or the same way a kid declares for the NFL draft.

It has nothing to do with his sister or his family.
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So, you think Fields has a good case?

Why didn’t he leave right after the issue happened? Let’s apply the same logic you are trying to use to devalue Martell’s case.
 
jthomps123 said:
Its hoping for a preponderance of circumstances i'd imagine.
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Which really is not a strategy at all.

If you want to ensure it happens you go shady and take the domestic violence angle HARD. "My aunt was abused by her ex..." etc.

I don't buy for one second staff changes impacting the NCAA's decision to grant an eligibility waiver.
 
MIATL said:
The same way every Ole Miss player didn’t transfer. Because everyone doesn’t have to feel exactly the same about the same circumstances.

Everyone else isn’t also a baseball prospect thinking of joining the UGA baseball team.
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I completely understand what you are saying, but if your argument to get waiver is the place is racist and unsafe then how come it’s not racist or unsafe for everyone else including your sister? The argument of its unsafe doesn’t hold water.
 
kryptonite said:
I don't think it does. UGA corrected the matter as best they could, so you can't say they were supporting racism, so what's the reasoning? A kid called him a racist name? Yeah, that happens at lots of schools. And even when it doesn't, kids will be able to say it did. So is the metric that it has to be verifiable? Like if a kid gets called names privately he's got no recourse, but if there are witnesses he's good to go?

Personally I never would have gone to UGA in the first place because I'd just assume that's how I'd be seen. There's too much racist history in that part of the world for me to be comfortable. I feel for any kid who can't feel comfortable at their school because of sht like this, but you know we wouldn't be talking about this if he had gotten the starting job.
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Schools fire coaches accused of breaking rules all the time. It does not absolve the school of wrongdoing.

UGA getting rid of the kid was done so future football players don’t hold that against them.

But you better believe baseball players will.

I’m under the impression the Fields’ argument will be tied to his interest in playing baseball, and him not being comfortable to do so at UGA.
 
Canes1968 said:
Sounds like he’s going to give the NCAA a chance to do the right thing, and if they don’t, he’ll bring out the big guns with the whole Urban Meyer scandal.
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Might be one of the stupidest statements I've ever read from an attorney. He literally admits to the "throw everything against the wall and see what sticks" strategy.

Martell needs to fire that hack and then go hire Jason Setchen.
 
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SoFlaSmitty said:
I completely understand what you are saying, but if your argument to get waiver is the place is racist and unsafe then how come it’s not racist or unsafe for everyone else including your sister? The argument of its unsafe doesn’t hold water.
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He might be more sensitive and the racism impacted him more. The legal concept is “eggshell”
 
CashMoneyCane said:
Which really is not a strategy at all.

If you want to ensure it happens you go shady and take the domestic violence angle HARD. "My aunt was abused by her ex..." etc.

I don't buy for one second staff changes impacting the NCAA's decision to grant an eligibility waiver.
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I'd agree, but there's no real hardship here right? I dont see a singular vector that is worthy of a waiver.
 
mcnaire2004 said:
Yes but those are the ramifications. I've never seen the NCAA do something that sweeping.

Penn St. got a less severe punishment than Miami. NCAA doesn't care about the right thing.
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They care when the alternative is a massive public relations nightmare. ****, Martell could probably bring a Title IV case against the NCAA if they rejected his waiver.
 
MIATL said:
Schools fire coaches accused of breaking rules all the time. It does not absolve the school of wrongdoing.

UGA getting rid of the kid was done so future football players don’t hold that against them.

But you better believe baseball players will.

I’m under the impression the Fields’ argument will be tied to his interest in playing baseball, and him not being comfortable to do so at UGA.
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The only thing they can be blamed for is fostering a racist environment, and booting the baseball player partially insulates them from that. As far as I know, nobody but one kid did anything wrong, so what's the argument for allowing the waiver? One kid was a racist dckhead to him? Kinda flimsy seeing as that kid has been removed.
 
jthomps123 said:
I'd agree, but there's no real hardship here right? I dont see a singular vector that is worthy of a waiver.
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Exactly what I'm saying. I mean I guess you can take the Fields transferring in angle too, but I just don't see much of substance there.

At least he'll get a better degree out of it.
 
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SoFlaSmitty said:
I completely understand what you are saying, but if your argument to get waiver is the place is racist and unsafe then how come it’s not racist or unsafe for everyone else including your sister? The argument of its unsafe doesn’t hold water.
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I don’t think they’re arguing it’s “unsafe”. I think they’re arguing the baseball culture isn’t welcoming, and he can’t stay at UGA if he decides to play baseball.

He’s arguing the baseball culture will prevent him from playing, and he needs to be out of UGA.

And because that culture is completely out of his control, he’s should have immediate eligibility.

No clue if it works. But there is some basis beyond Fromm is the starter. Even if that really is the reason why.
 
DTP said:
Whether or not people want to believe it, coaching turnover is going to play a part in future transfer discussions. These kids sign to play for a coach. He leaves and the whole deal is garbage.
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Believing that would imply faith that the NCAA will do right by the student and apply the same rules equally to students and coaches.

Which has never, ever happened in the history of the NCAA.
 
Canes1968 said:
He has a great case. He could no longer continue to be a student at a university that placed winning football games above the welfare of women, and who continued to employ a man who turned his cheek to violence against women.

No chance the NCAA rejects a waiver based on a moral objection to violence against women. The public backlash they’d get for that would be insane.
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This is, by far, his best argument.
 
ncncanes said:
Sure it does 1) Urban announced retired - nothing from Martell 2) Their starting QB announces leaving for draft -- nothing from Martell 3) Field transfers - Martell says I am staying - ready to compete 4) Changes his mind days latter
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3.5) New coach tells Martell that Fields is his guy, and that Martell will sit for 3 years.
 
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