Manny (likely) staying (through the end of season, TBD thereafter)

[Handsome Squidbum]

This is exactly where I'm at. You could excuse the two OOC losses to a pair of top 5 teams, but how can you justify losing the conference in the first two conference games and keeping the coach?

I'll play devils advocate just to raise everyones blood pressure.

Ok we lost to the #2 and #3. Just outclassed and outplayed, but we had a 30% healthy QB. UVA we had a RS QB in his first start. Just a bad break, we are a chip shot FG away from being in the driver's seat in the ACC coastal. UNC, road loss, were on brink of winning the game on the final possession. Then two wins over ranked teams.

We haven't lost the division yet, that's why all the teams play more than two conference games. Over a span of 10 conference games or so, the fluke wins and losses will average out and the team that was actually the best in the division will end up with the best record. UM can still win the division and the ACC. Whether you are 6-2 and then lose 2 of the next 4 to finish 8-4 or are 4-4 and win 4 straight to finish 8-4, the end result is the same. This is the point of the season where teams wilt. If UM, with all its injuries, manages to reel of 4 straight Ws, wins the conference and a NY6 game and finish ranked in the top 10, Diaz would have managed to secure the best season in almost 15 years (would definitely be a better end result than 2017). Is it likely? Not remotely. BUT if it does happen, then I for one will do a slow clap for Diaz as I certainly did not see that coming.

 

[Canedude08]

I don’t see the school keeping manny after publicly making we have money comments. I do think they really are bankin on Mario to say yes

Overpaying for Mario, sounds like something this half-assed group would do. Mario isn't worth elite coach money, but it looks good on paper. Just don't get it. If I'm going for broke, I'm going all in on a sure fire guy like Meyer...That guy wants out of the NFL, back up the truck and make sure you have whores driving it...

 

[hoops156]

Where’s you see his name and Lsu? I know he’s interested but where’d you see it?

tbh how do we ***** this up if there is interest on his side with LSU? hes not leaving midseason to Miami so it would be us having to out bid a school that steals charity money

 

[305407cane]

Keeping him here just to hold onto the 2020 and 2021 players is a bad idea. Those kids are just as likely to transfer. You don’t put the program in jeopardy by pining for players.

 

[hoops156]

I'll play devils advocate just to raise everyones blood pressure.

Ok we lost to the #2 and #3. Just outclassed and outplayed, but we had a 30% healthy QB. UVA we had a RS QB in his first start. Just a bad break, we are a chip shot FG away from being in the driver's seat in the ACC coastal. UNC, road loss, were on brink of winning the game on the final possession. Then two wins over ranked teams.

We haven't lost the division yet, that's why all the teams play more than two conference games. Over a span of 10 conference games or so, the fluke wins and losses will average out and the team that was actually the best in the division will end up with the best record. UM can still win the division and the ACC. Whether you are 6-2 and then lose 2 of the next 4 to finish 8-4 or are 4-4 and win 4 straight to finish 8-4, the end result is the same. This is the point of the season where teams wilt. If UM, with all its injuries, manages to reel of 4 straight Ws, wins the conference and a NY6 game and finish ranked in the top 10, Diaz would have managed to secure the best season in almost 15 years (would definitely be a better end result than 2017). Is it likely? Not remotely. BUT if it does happen, then I for one will do a slow clap for Diaz as I certainly did not see that coming.

would be our biggest bowl win since 03. he'd have done something no other coach since Coker had done here.

 

[hoops156]

Overpaying for Mario, sounds like something this half-assed group would do. Mario isn't worth elite coach money, but it looks good on paper. Just don't get it. If I'm going for broke, I'm going all in on a sure fire guy like Meyer...That guy wants out of the NFL, back up the truck and make sure you have whores driving it...

I agree w you I just don't think this board has any real plans other than pray Mario takes our bag. id rather do what Bama did with Saban. go all in with a huge bag to Urban and tell him, its his program. turn this ***** around and fake a heart attack after that.

 

[TRick72]

That can’t be allowed to happen. This guy can’t keep getting chance after chance to fix his Fvck ups.

He’s already on OC #2, that would be DC #2, etc. That’s so bulls!t incompetence to be allowed to go on.

If Mario wants this job, he will get it regardless of what Manny does. If Mario says no, then we might be stuck with another year of Manny. I would move on regardless. He’s not the answer. The defense will somehow continue to be something of what he’s done here the last 6 years wether he’s the DC or not.

Technically it would be DC #3, the first 2 proved to be huge #Twos

 

[Cribby]

tbh how do we ***** this up if there is interest on his side with LSU? hes not leaving midseason to Miami so it would be us having to out bid a school that steals charity money

Hes put out feelers to multiple jobs . That’s why i tell people he’s not dead set on staying there. Doesn’t mean he’ll come here , Miami would have to show him he means business.

 

[TRick72]

I can’t do another off season of Manny - I just can’t, lol!!!

You might be right - of course that will be something this admin would do because that’s what they have been doing for the last 20 years which means all of the recent talk is all bullish!t.

All of the statements about having the money to invest - if they are just peddling that to cool the waters down for 1 more season for Manny to prove to everyone, once again, that he can’t coach, he can’t recruit linebackers and that we will just let him try and plug his way out of things with only portal kids is just a horrific plan which will keep us in this purgatory forever.

Edit: these are Pyrrhic victories. Don’t fall for the winning out part. TVD is covering up for a lot of underlying issues. We will never beat a really solid contending team (Georgia, Ohio St, etc) with Manny

Oh come on, where’s your sense of adventure??? Offseason Manny is undefeated and by far the best Manny

 

[Cribby]

I'll play devils advocate just to raise everyones blood pressure.

Ok we lost to the #2 and #3. Just outclassed and outplayed, but we had a 30% healthy QB. UVA we had a RS QB in his first start. Just a bad break, we are a chip shot FG away from being in the driver's seat in the ACC coastal. UNC, road loss, were on brink of winning the game on the final possession. Then two wins over ranked teams.

We haven't lost the division yet, that's why all the teams play more than two conference games. Over a span of 10 conference games or so, the fluke wins and losses will average out and the team that was actually the best in the division will end up with the best record. UM can still win the division and the ACC. Whether you are 6-2 and then lose 2 of the next 4 to finish 8-4 or are 4-4 and win 4 straight to finish 8-4, the end result is the same. This is the point of the season where teams wilt. If UM, with all its injuries, manages to reel of 4 straight Ws, wins the conference and a NY6 game and finish ranked in the top 10, Diaz would have managed to secure the best season in almost 15 years (would definitely be a better end result than 2017). Is it likely? Not remotely. BUT if it does happen, then I for one will do a slow clap for Diaz as I certainly did not see that coming.

I have hbp and it was up from eating some baked ziti, you just made me have a mini stroke.

 

[hoops156]

Hes put out feelers to multiple jobs . That’s why i tell people he’s not dead set on staying there. Doesn’t mean he’ll come here , Miami would have to show him he means business.

that's why I asked how would we ***** it up? im sure we put out the offer already for Mario. he knows what the deal is here. if hes shopping and then hes not sold yet like you said. and its not like were getting a head start with him. hes not leaving his job midseason if we offered first or last. also, I think LSU could do better than Mario.

 

[hoops156]

I have hbp and it was up from eating some baked ziti, you just made me have a mini stroke.

if that scenario happened, which isn't gonna happen short of some miracle like you've been saying, then I don't blame them for giving Manny another year. no one is getting fired after that finish except the DC from being a DC

 

[Mnhurricane]

So, if Manny wins regular season out. 8-4.

Faces WF for ACC, and wins. 9-4.

Faces a solid team in a NY6 bowl as ACC champion, 10-4

Sells to BOT, my losses were to two top 3 teams currently, and a game where my Fr QB was essentially making his first start.

10 - 4 ACC Champions, losses to two playoff teams, and Fr QB making first real start.

Hypothetically speaking, yall still want him fired? Think about what those final 6 games entail as well, dont keep your mind on 4-4 thoughts.

Just curios about these answers lol.

Purely hypothetical of course but it would be that something changed. No chance that the preparation we do or practices we run or scheme we run would ever allow us to do all that, even with a talent edge.

So the answer on my end is maybe? I personally want to field a team who looks like they gameplanned for an opponent without fundamental scheme flaws. If that changes then I would be willing to at least listen to whatever scenario is laid out

 

[Cribby]

Keeping him here just to hold onto the 2020 and 2021 players is a bad idea. Those kids are just as likely to transfer. You don’t put the program in jeopardy by pining for players.

Coaches going on late season runs while on the hot seat never end well down the road. You’re just putting off the inevitable one or two years. This class is already shot, it’s the perfect time.

 

[MPCane17]

Where’s you see his name and Lsu? I know he’s interested but where’d you see it?

Numerous posts and links to some podcasts on twitter. One claiming it’s down to him, Napier and Tucker. I have no clue if it’s from legit people but just search on Twitter Cristobal and LSU and there’s a bunch of mentions. Just have zero confidence against our inept admin to go toe to toe with any other major program and come out with our guy.

 

[TRick72]

There is another story out this morning which kind of reiterates Navarro's story. The angle I saw is that the decision makers are focused on keeping the 2021 and 2020 blue chips, and they believe that keeping Manny is the key to keeping these players. In my view, getting a top flight AD is indispensable to threading this needle, to keep the players who represent hope for the future while making sure they're coached well so that their talent is not squandered.

Keep Manny and there’s a good chance those Blue Chips become the 2018 Blue Chips

 

[TRick72]

Another thing to remember about bringing Manny back next year, we play @ Texas A&M in game 2 and @ Clemson on next year's schedule. It is likely not going to be another great start.

Not to worried about those games as long as we have an easy game before TAMU and a bye week before Clemson that will give Manny plenty of time to prepare since he’s shown an uncanny ability to capitalize on extra preparation time....

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

So, if Manny wins regular season out. 8-4.

Faces WF for ACC, and wins. 9-4.

Faces a solid team in a NY6 bowl as ACC champion, 10-4

Sells to BOT, my losses were to two top 3 teams currently, and a game where my Fr QB was essentially making his first start.

10 - 4 ACC Champions, losses to two playoff teams, and Fr QB making first real start.

Hypothetically speaking, yall still want him fired? Think about what those final 6 games entail as well, dont keep your mind on 4-4 thoughts.

Just curios about these answers lol.

*IF* all of that happened... that's got to be the only way that he survives. Weighing the full resume of FIU, GT, and LT in 2019, the UNC game last year, and the 2-4 start this season... doing ALL of that list redeems him to level ground (for me). Michigan State is doing what they're doing but they're not that good and you can't convince me otherwise at the moment. **** of a RB but still a bad defense (statistically) and the QB sucks. They might be the closest thing I've seen to 2017 Miami. Literally reincarnated.

That being said.. I don't see how this team beats Wake Forest. I mean it definitely could be a shoot out 52-45 type of game. Could eclipse 100 points. But Hartman and Ruggiero are legit and a veteran combination that have worked together for several years. TVD likely comes to earth trying to make plays to keep up with them (if he doesn't end the Diaz era in his come back to earth moment prior to that).

Losing to WF in the ACCCG could still end Diaz especially if they pour it on us and their D comes around and makes some stops. Don't see any scenario in the world where we actually win the ACC and win the bowl game - winning the ACC ensures legit competition - Cincinnati, Michigan State again, Alabama again if they didn't make the CFP somehow, Oklahoma, or even Oregon. A bowl against any of those teams could easily turn embarrassing.

All that may be a moot point because we're still relying on Pitt and Virginia to lose and Pitt's loss can't be to Virginia - just to get to that scenario. Win out and go 8-4 and he might not see the bowl game before being fired. Lose the bowl in that scenario and he's definitely fired.

In my eyes, with everything I've seen reported, seen how everything has played out, and from what others have told me.. winning the ACCCG or going 8-4 and getting the opportunity to coach the bowl and then winning it... only 2 scenarios that he survives. Out of our control to make the ACCCG and it may be out of his whether he even gets to coach the bowl game or not even if he does win out.

 

[CorniceCane]

ANY scenario whereby Minnie "Slip N' Slide" Diaz is the HC of UM football, at this time next year is a recipe for absolute disaster!

So beating NC State and Pitt............freaking NC State and Pitt has fundamentally changed who that loser is??? Yeah OK!

He's the same circus clown that

- Tackled the 7-6 dummy on wrestling night (LMAO) in 2019 then promptly went 6-7 (Can't make this bleep up)
-Got murdered by two (2019 FIU, La Tech) and struggled with two (CMU 2019, App State 2021) Group of 5 teams

-Has turned our LB unit into one of the worst LB units in all of CFB and can't recruit any either from High School or the Portal. App State had better LBs than us SMH

-Has led our defense to record breaking crappy defensive performances. NC put up almost 8 Wal-Mart parking lots of offense on us in 2020. Even with the last two wins. His defenses have given up over 1000 total yards

-Invented the crappy Turnover Chain which has assisted in making our program a **** laughing stock in CFB

-Then he went even further and created the HEAD SCRATCHING "Touchdown Rings"

-Smoked a victory cigar after beating the worst FSU team in their history......without their HC

-Invented the post-game Slip N Slide after barely beating some crappy ACC Coastal team.....without their starting QB.......we played 5 teams like that in his glorious 2020 8 win season LMAO

-Generates at least 3 new excuses after every crappy loss (and I thought Al Golden was bad with his "cloud" BS)

-Is viewed as a joke by most anybody that is respected in football. I would pay good money to know what Mack Brown said to him at midfield, when Diaz was trying to runaway and Mack caught his arm and LAUGHED at him some more

-Never played CFB at any level (yes this matters)

-Took 6 games to figure out what the fanbase saw in game 1 of 2019. Greg Rousseau SHOULD START!

-Took 6 games to figure out the younger players on the 2021 team were the best part of our current team......which is to say they haven't yet been tainted by him and his crappy leadership........give it 2 years and the fanbase will be saying "James Williams stinks etc...."

-Should be at Temple FKing up their program

Geez do we need any more examples of why that loser needs to GTFO of our program???

Yes. You forgot that he is WINLESS coming off of bye weeks (that give you time to prepare). Same thought, hasn’t won a bowl game as head coach which also takes into account time off to prepare. He is not able to get prepared for competition (lost to UF, lost to Bama, both to start the season, but we did win the opener against UAB last year). after time off to prepare in the summer time too.

No way he wins out with a bowl game in the schedule since there is time off in between season and the game. And if there is more than 7 days to prepare for the ACCCG, he won’t win either. We’re fine. Next!

 

[OldhamA]

Purely hypothetical of course but it would be that something changed. No chance that the preparation we do or practices we run or scheme we run would ever allow us to do all that, even with a talent edge.

So the answer on my end is maybe? I personally want to field a team who looks like they gameplanned for an opponent without fundamental scheme flaws. If that changes then I would be willing to at least listen to whatever scenario is laid out

As I've said, if we finish 10-4 TVD would be best served sitting out his JR season and declaring for the Draft as he'd be the #1 overall pick.