Longtime heavy booster and Butch supporter says...

[UMJay]

Whitlock predicted this on The Herd a few weeks ago:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_co...ifeLJWU-G-g6yCcp88LAzhvKueckqRHXAyyR7kyoeZbMg

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Would be happy with this, still prefer butch.

No surprise, LRG, we've long known you're best suited inside of a gratin dish.


On to important matters, UM shouldn't be worried about a show cause. If they hire Chip, their biggest concern will be "show us where to store all this cotDAYUM money from BCS bowls and ticket sales, cause we don't know where to put it."

In all fairness the majority of that money gets sent to the ACC not the individual institutions doesn't it? I'm pretty sure the individual team payout for what were previously called the "BCS" bowls is somewhere around $2.08 million.

So yes making those "BCS" bowls does generate additional income. Most of that however is disbursed throughout the conference unfortunately.

 

[Southcane]

Let's see if I understand correctly. We have a proven guy just waiting to be offered the job, but hasn't because he had to be thoroughly vetted for merely a hint of an association to NCAA violations in which he even has official letters that exonerate him. And instead we are going after a guy that was responsible for his team's probation when he left them and was found guilty by the NCAA of violations?

Count me a bit incredulous that this is really taking place.

This is one of a few reasons that I'm taking this with a grain of salt. Not indictment of Lu's post at all. My impression is, Lu is a good dude who knows his stuff and won't post BS. But he may have been given (at worst) false information or (at best) exaggerated information.

Even with Shalala gone, you still expect Chip's previous NCAA violations a red flag for James Blake and the BOT. Also, his familiarity with the PAC, west coast recruiting, etc. you would think USC is the preferred destination if chooses to go back to college.

But nothing surprises me anymore and I guess everything is possible.

 

[MedleyCane]

#ChickenLittleFan

Nah.
Just living in the real world.
Sorry if it's not aligned with your agenda.

In the real world where Miami has plenty of money and more cache than both of those programs? Or in the short sited last 10 years?

Having all of that money means nothing if it is not spent on the football program.
It is no different than the eccentric millionaire who eats at the local WalMart cafe for a night out instead of a fancy
restuarant.
The UM has never spent that much money on the football program.
I believe in action and past history, not fantasy world.

"Past History".....yes that long history of 15 years. B/c good schools have never had long periods of failure in hiring coaches.

15 years is peanuts.

Yes.
All schools have long periods of not hiring good coaches.
Not sure what that has to do with commitment to spending what it takes to have an elite football
program.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Another one of these Einstein's that doesn't understand what an endowment is. SMFH. Miami has a bigger endowment than Alabama.

Do you know the difference between a public school and a private school? Let's start from square one with this guy.

Do you now see why citing endowment is asinine?

No I don't. Public schools are subsidized, a large portion of the money they work with comes from the taxpayer and not from donations. But feel free to educate me more.

So in other words endowment size and coaching salaries are not at all correlated? NO WAY!!!

No, that's not what I was saying. I was saying the endowment of a public university shouldn't be compared to a private university. You have a gift of talking without saying anything.

 

[SolidCane]

If you listen to that clip, there are some interesting indicators Whitlock isn't just guessing with his pick. He ran with that for a reason.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Guy cites endowment as reason for not getting coach.....

Then argues endowment doesn't apply.....

Clearly, an einstein in our midst.

Referring to me?
Where did I bring up endowment?

I certainly did not, nor do I care.
Harvard has an even larger endowment than any P5 program.
What the **** does that mean?

Was in response to Hugh who cited endowment as to why Miami can't land Chip Kelly lmfao.

Funny how you only responded to that. Didn't respond to the fact that USC has actually made a coach the highest paid coach in college football, and the fact that they've already paid $4 million plus for a coach. It was all part of the debate. Weak minded people pick and choose what they want to argue. You'd be a good politician. Assuming no one continues to listen.

 

[FullyERicht]

Nah.
Just living in the real world.
Sorry if it's not aligned with your agenda.

In the real world where Miami has plenty of money and more cache than both of those programs? Or in the short sited last 10 years?

Having all of that money means nothing if it is not spent on the football program.
It is no different than the eccentric millionaire who eats at the local WalMart cafe for a night out instead of a fancy
restuarant.
The UM has never spent that much money on the football program.
I believe in action and past history, not fantasy world.

"Past History".....yes that long history of 15 years. B/c good schools have never had long periods of failure in hiring coaches.

15 years is peanuts.

Yes.
All schools have long periods of not hiring good coaches.
Not sure what that has to do with commitment to spending what it takes to have an elite football
program.

Bc the reason we ddnt hire good coaches, is we had a president who was a socialist feminist who didn't believe in spending fundraising and resources towards a men's football team. We had Paul Dee who was a lazy, fat, Gator piece of trash. Then two ADs in 3 years who were both clowns. We had idiots who thought Miami's problem was we didn;t "connect enough in South Florida". We have a fan base and BOT who STILL are so underappreciative of the level of coaching we had here, that they believe all we need is a "solid coach, nothing special" who can "keep the fence up"

The school has been clear this is not the case this time.

 

[pi87]

Theoretic question: If we were really after Chip and the Eagles don't fire him before their last game (1/3), we'd pretty much stay 'put' until then, correct?

I hope Blake takes his time. College coaches could be available as early as early as next week. He can interview possible candidates (Les Miles, Herman, not Mario)

I hope the Butch fallback option is real, we could take our time, possibly wait for Chip and if it doesn't work out still come out with a solid option (Butch).

 

[LuCane]

Let's see if I understand correctly. We have a proven guy just waiting to be offered the job, but hasn't because he had to be thoroughly vetted for merely a hint of an association to NCAA violations in which he even has official letters that exonerate him. And instead we are going after a guy that was responsible for his team's probation when he left them and was found guilty by the NCAA of violations?

Count me a bit incredulous that this is really taking place.

This is one of a few reasons that I'm taking this with a grain of salt. Not indictment of Lu's post at all. My impression is, Lu is a good dude who knows his stuff and won't post BS. But he may have been given (at worst) false information or (at best) exaggerated information.

Even with Shalala gone, you still expect Chip's previous NCAA violations a red flag for James Blake and the BOT. Also, his familiarity with the PAC, west coast recruiting, etc. you would think USC is the preferred destination if chooses to go back to college.

But nothing surprises me anymore and I guess everything is possible.

All fair points from both of you. I believed what was said, which is why I posted the info. I also tried to understand it in context. Again, many of us are concerned that we lazily end up with a low-hanging fruit, like Mario. The man was asked about Mario - not Kelly. As I've admitted, count *me* as one of the guys who didn't even consider Kelly an option just days ago. I had said as much on the board. So, the guy answers with commentary on Kelly. I think that's meaningful to the search in multiple ways.

 

[Bigtip]

if we have to choose between Chip and Butch I'm thrilled. cant go wrong

 

[Canes21]

Obviously you trust the guy Lu, and it's amazing news, but do you have any other examples of info this guy has given you before that wound up true.

I'm not doubting you by any means, it's just such good news that I don't know how to act. I'm not used to that with the football program anymore.

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

From just before the time Golden was fired, so many random rumors have come up that, while I'll drop a hint here and there if I hear something, sometimes I choose not to create a thread about it because I find it completely absurd or out of left field. In other words, just sounds like nonsense. Or, sometimes, it's not my info and I can't say I trust it.

As I've said in the past, I'm not the guy typically with any inside information. That's D$. A couple months ago, out of the blue, I was told Butch was already being talked to by some decision makers. "It was being worked on, supposedly." This was before Golden was fired, as some of you might remember. At that time, most people (including myself) thought he wouldn't actually be considered because of the UNC scandal and supposed hard feelings from his previous exit. Anyway, ends up true that he's a real option.

The point of this thread is to introduce another real option being worked on:

Chip Kelly. Less than an hour ago was the first time I've heard his name mentioned by someone connected to the program. The context was simple. He was actually asked about Mario Cristobal. This is a Hispanic guy, so you'd think/worry there's some support. "Hates the Mario option" is closer to where he stands there. More importantly, he threw out that it looks more like Chip Kelly right now than other names discussed, if we can beat out USC. Things are actually moving on this front. Specifically, "Kelly is between us and USC right now." I cringe a little in hopes it's true we have that kind of status, but that is an exact quote. I interpreted everything to mean Kelly is actually considering us, and that he's more likely to come back to college than I previously thought.

For those of you who wanted to "shoot for the stars," apparently we are. And, that's the point of this thread. I actually hate all of this stuff, as it's impossible to know what is real and what will actually happen. But, if this guy says it's a name being worked on, I believe him. He has no real reason to f* around or create misinformation. If it means I'll sound ridiculous for passing it along, so be it. If we somehow end up with a bottom level option, I'll now be incredibly disappointed.

Proceed with what's expected...

#playersnotnotified
#GrudentoMiami
#clickbait
#fml

This would be downright amazing. Holy **** that would be the slam dunk hire of slam dunk hires. Here's hoping the BOT can pull out a win...

 

[SolidCane]

Let's see if I understand correctly. We have a proven guy just waiting to be offered the job, but hasn't because he had to be thoroughly vetted for merely a hint of an association to NCAA violations in which he even has official letters that exonerate him. And instead we are going after a guy that was responsible for his team's probation when he left them and was found guilty by the NCAA of violations?

Count me a bit incredulous that this is really taking place.

This is one of a few reasons that I'm taking this with a grain of salt. Not indictment of Lu's post at all. My impression is, Lu is a good dude who knows his stuff and won't post BS. But he may have been given (at worst) false information or (at best) exaggerated information.

Even with Shalala gone, you still expect Chip's previous NCAA violations a red flag for James Blake and the BOT. Also, his familiarity with the PAC, west coast recruiting, etc. you would think USC is the preferred destination if chooses to go back to college.

But nothing surprises me anymore and I guess everything is possible.

All fair points from both of you. I believed what was said, which is why I posted the info. I also tried to understand it in context. Again, many of us are concerned that we lazily end up with a low-hanging fruit, like Mario. The man was asked about Mario - not Kelly. As I've admitted, count *me* as one of the guys who didn't even consider Kelly an option just days ago. I had said as much on the board. So, the guy answers with commentary on Kelly. I think that's meaningful to the search in multiple ways.

I believe you Lu, but I'm also skeptical that this could also be a ploy to silence some of the criticism that the Admin is not going after good coaches so far. Almost all names dropped by the media have been mediocre sans Butch. With the Mario banner flying this weekend, I can see them trying to divert some of the negativity away and leaking them going for a home run.

Or maybe not. Maybe the Admin is not messing around this time and pulling a Saban to Alabama type deal.

Either way, I appreciate the info. Hopefully this IS true and UM does have a legit shot at Chip. UM would be a dynasty again.

 

[MedleyCane]

In the real world where Miami has plenty of money and more cache than both of those programs? Or in the short sited last 10 years?

Having all of that money means nothing if it is not spent on the football program.
It is no different than the eccentric millionaire who eats at the local WalMart cafe for a night out instead of a fancy
restuarant.
The UM has never spent that much money on the football program.
I believe in action and past history, not fantasy world.

"Past History".....yes that long history of 15 years. B/c good schools have never had long periods of failure in hiring coaches.

15 years is peanuts.

Yes.
All schools have long periods of not hiring good coaches.
Not sure what that has to do with commitment to spending what it takes to have an elite football
program.

Bc the reason we ddnt hire good coaches, is we had a president who was a socialist feminist who didn't believe in spending fundraising and resources towards a men's football team. We had Paul Dee who was a lazy, fat, Gator piece of trash. Then two ADs in 3 years who were both clowns. We had idiots who thought Miami's problem was we didn;t "connect enough in South Florida". We have a fan base and BOT who STILL are so underappreciative of the level of coaching we had here, that they believe all we need is a "solid coach, nothing special" who can "keep the fence up"

The school has been clear this is not the case this time.

In agreement with your assessment of Donald Shalala and Paul Dee.
I remain skeptical of UM's commitment, but if I'm wrong feel free to flame me every day for the rest of my internet life.
LOL.

 

[Southcane]

Let's see if I understand correctly. We have a proven guy just waiting to be offered the job, but hasn't because he had to be thoroughly vetted for merely a hint of an association to NCAA violations in which he even has official letters that exonerate him. And instead we are going after a guy that was responsible for his team's probation when he left them and was found guilty by the NCAA of violations?

Count me a bit incredulous that this is really taking place.

This is one of a few reasons that I'm taking this with a grain of salt. Not indictment of Lu's post at all. My impression is, Lu is a good dude who knows his stuff and won't post BS. But he may have been given (at worst) false information or (at best) exaggerated information.

Even with Shalala gone, you still expect Chip's previous NCAA violations a red flag for James Blake and the BOT. Also, his familiarity with the PAC, west coast recruiting, etc. you would think USC is the preferred destination if chooses to go back to college.

But nothing surprises me anymore and I guess everything is possible.

All fair points from both of you. I believed what was said, which is why I posted the info. I also tried to understand it in context. Again, many of us are concerned that we lazily end up with a low-hanging fruit, like Mario. The man was asked about Mario - not Kelly. As I've admitted, count *me* as one of the guys who didn't even consider Kelly an option just days ago. I had said as much on the board. So, the guy answers with commentary on Kelly. I think that's meaningful to the search in multiple ways.

Fair enough.
I will have to check with a friend of mine who has had a big office at 5821 San Amaro Drive for very long time. I never like to ask questions to what's happening in the athletic department but this is so exciting I may have to break the rule.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Would be happy with this, still prefer butch.

Then you're outside your ****ing mind.

Those 2 are on two different coaching planets. If one became available there would be a bidding war for his services of epic proportions. The other has been unemployed for a while.

Just stop. This Butch madness is getting out of control. He's a nostalgic shot in the dark compared to Chip.

Just stating my preference. Keep in mind, chip has as many national titles as butch. And chip also never built a team that went on to win a title and almost two. My preference for butch is about the defense we would field.

Well it's a ridiculous preference. Not even worth arguing to be honest. Chip would be a better option for Miami under every circumstance.

If you even have a doubt of that then there's nothing to discuss further.

 

[UMJay]

@unclelukereal1: Come on down to Miami Chip Kelly just like Nick Saban the NFL ain't for you boss

 

[sebastian91]

I want no part of Chip Kelly. I hate his offense. I hate his style. U$C can have him.

Baked potato. Sweet potato. Mashed potato. Potato salad. Potato soup. Potato chip. Potato Potato Potato.

Apparently, Sebastian also hates winning.

I love winning. There are any number of coaches that can win here. Chip Kelly might even be one of them, but I don't like the guy. For a school just off a battle with the NCAA, it seems like a guy just off a show cause would be a really bad fit anyway.

 

[sebastian91]

I want no part of Chip Kelly. I hate his offense. I hate his style. U$C can have him.

Hate his offense??? Maybe I could agree w u if u hated his D, but Chip's scheme w So Fla offense = NCAA Football 2014 scores. I just have a problem w his D...but if he brings on a Sick D Coordinator, we would literally win about 6 out of 8 national titles.

Now do I think it will happen? Nope.

Yeah, I hate his offense, and I don't think it will work here. It requires a lot of discipline to get lined up fast, know the play, know what to do and when to do it, and do it quickly. SoFla players have all the talent in the world, but they aren't exactly known for their discipline (and apparently, the Eagles can't figure it out either). It'd be a freaking yellow hanky festival out there. Not to mention that running 80 plays a game is really hard on the personnel. It's really difficult to keep the best players healthy for an entire season. Oregon always came out like a shot out of a cannon early in the season, but they pretty much always faded when the schedule got tougher toward the end of the season.

If this porst is true, then I'm glad to hear that the school is aiming high, but I think they can do a whole lot better than Chip Kelly.