Jon Drummond and Chad Wilson....and a question for Pete.....

[itsacanething]

I, for one, am appalled and disgusted by young Pete's attitude towards these street vermin.

There is no way as a program that you can lower yourself to their level and validate their existence.

why do you care what pete's attitude is toward this subject? he is a reporter. he doesn't speak for the administration. Pete seems like a good decent guy as far as I can tell. I respect Pete and like the work he does but i don't care about his opinion on handlers any more than i care about what his favorite color is.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Les Miles just bought 1,000,000 t shirts.....

you laugh, but what a perfect way to funnel money from a booster to the school.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Those Valentine Day LSU shirts MUST BE a violation. How can we report it?

it could certainly put someone in an interesting legal situation. if champagnat is doing it, then they're using lsu's copyrighted image, which should result in a cease-and-desist from lsu. if lsu doesn't do that, then they're knowingly allowing the use of their property on merchandise that is obviously endorsing a signee.

 

[killa1storm]

WTF are these guys "mentoring" them with?

Life generally. You'd have to have spent some time in the inner city to understand. When I mentored I did it with a group and to no surprise, most of the troubled youth in the programs played sports. Their parents basically used sports as a daycare while they worked mutliple jobs, sold drugs, or whatever. Most of those dudes have no or one parent in their lives and end up looking up to the mentors in the programs as their parents basically. We had a kid who ended up living with the counselor.

I'm sure its a similar situation in Miami for some kids, obviously not all. These poor cats are spending their youth around other people who are not their parents. Some of them are playing football since age 6 or 7 and these coaches, uncles, etc. become their mentors. So it carries on until they're older too.

Look at Luke and some of the players he's known since Optimist who all look to him and his opinions.

 

[TheMatador]

Staff needs to hold a meeting with the Champagnat staff and set things straight because one thing is for sure is that they will continue to get talent and we can't have any bad blood between the two parties. For example Deconaire Clarington just transferred there. We gotta get him.

Staff sitting down with their coaches might not help that much as long as it's an unaccredited school and admissions more closely scrutinizes the transcripts of any kid from there, as it should.

The better thing might be for the State of Florida to more closely regulate schools within its borders, including unaccredited schools that operate with questionable standards and apparently no accountability. The state should also establish rules governing the public schools that hire unqualified washed-up rappers and those that are trying to make money on the side while using a position with a public school to help support their private businesses, like "recruiting" services.

 

[FullyERicht]

Those Valentine Day LSU shirts MUST BE a violation. How can we report it?

it could certainly put someone in an interesting legal situation. if champagnat is doing it, then they're using lsu's copyrighted image, which should result in a cease-and-desist from lsu. if lsu doesn't do that, then they're knowingly allowing the use of their property on merchandise that is obviously endorsing a signee.

Time to make some emails!

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

WTF are these guys "mentoring" them with?

Life generally. You'd have to have spent some time in the inner city to understand. When I mentored I did it with a group and to no surprise, most of the troubled youth in the programs played sports. Their parents basically used sports as a daycare while they worked mutliple jobs, sold drugs, or whatever. Most of those dudes have no or one parent in their lives and end up looking up to the mentors in the programs as their parents basically. We had a kid who ended up living with the counselor.

I'm sure its a similar situation in Miami for some kids, obviously not all. These poor cats are spending their youth around other people who are not their parents. Some of them are playing football since age 6 or 7 and these coaches, uncles, etc. become their mentors. So it carries on until they're older too.

Look at Luke and some of the players he's known since Optimist who all look to him and his opinions.

So...

1. Don't do drugs.
2. Don't hang with the wrong crowd.
3. Stay out of jail.
4. Do well in school.

Then why the **** are these guys involved in the recruiting process?

 

[RVACane]

JEEZUZ Pete, really? "Part of the process"? What "part of the process" do you think they want to be in?

Whose paying for Champagnat to go to Baton Rouge and play at University Lab next fall? What about the "gas money and some Mcdonalds Money" that your boy Genron was QUOTED talking about??? And he HIMSELF said guys like him were taking money from schools, though he denied he was taking anything more than "gas money" to ESPN. I mean he was BOOTED from SFE for "unethical behavior" which involved "profiting" from player recruitment. LOL. How much more obvious does it have to get? When the **** founder of SFE Goetz himself said its become a cesspool and its out of control, when even $EC coaches are bemoaning how sleazy things have gotten, how on Earth are we supposed to deal with that with the Miami Herald, NCAA, Yahoo, ESPN, SI, all breathing down this program's neck constantly?

And MARK MY WORDS, Champagnat is going to be blown up within a year or two. At a minimum they are going to get booted from the FHSAA. Its painfully clear what is going on at that school. Ferman went there on NSD, said it was the most bizarre school he's seen. Said it was basically a day care center sandwiched between two car lots in Hialeah. And now all these great so Fla players are flocking to that school, that doesnt even have a football field?

Look I know its impossible to remain totally clean these days in this game. But how exactly can this program learn to "adapt" to a guy like Genron who has ADMITTED he takes money from schools?

LOL. Yeah, dream on. Genron is going to steer a kid here vs the school that paid the "Mcdonalds and Gas money" because we stroked his ego. Just like all the other Street agents do.

I guess we blew our budget on Yearby's guy then.

Have you not read a single post Ive made in this thread?

No.

But I'm guessing it went like this:

Kids with handlers who signed with UM: their handlers were clean
Kids with handlers who signed elsewhere: bunch of dirty street agents

No. I have readily acknowledged that many kids have handlers/mentors, could be family friends, uncles, coaches, etc.... and not all of them are dirty or trying to make a buck. But when one is a notorious street agent/hustler, its a totally different situation. IMO the biggest single problem is the 7 on 7 circuit, its a meat market where every hustler in town is trying to get their hooks into these kids to make a buck. That is where our problem lies IMO.

This actually turned into a productive thread, IMO, so shouts out to the OP. I think CANE4LIFE and others draw an important distinction in categorizing all of this into two classes of handlers.

There's a big difference between someone who has been a part of a kid's life, with altruistic intentions, continuing to be there at such a critical juncture, for moral support, guidance and opinion vs. the dudes that are pimpin these kids out for $$$ without regards to what's truly in their best interests, and at times, what could be against their best interests.

I can't imagine that our coaching staff doesn't recognize the difference. Posters have pointed out that Coley gets it. With The way 7 on 7 has taken off, it's only a matter of time before the dirt comes out so prominently in the mainstream media that schools start getting popped.

It's best to
stay away from the known pay to play pimps and pushers. We always have a target on our U.

 

[AutoCANE]

I, for one, am appalled and disgusted by young Pete's attitude towards these street vermin.

There is no way as a program that you can lower yourself to their level and validate their existence.

why do you care what pete's attitude is toward this subject? he is a reporter. he doesn't speak for the administration. Pete seems like a good decent guy as far as I can tell. I respect Pete and like the work he does but i don't care about his opinion on handlers any more than i care about what his favorite color is.

I do care, precisely because he IS a reporter and I love the Miami Hurricanes, and these are obviously not pro-Miami guys. I totally respect what Pete does and very much appreciate his information on recruiting; and if he chooses to tap Genron as a source, well that is obviously completely up to him. However, if that is the case, he then should then remove himself from the conversation and not inject his opinion into discussions about their scummy actions.

That is all.

 

[TheMatador]

WTF are these guys "mentoring" them with?

Life generally. You'd have to have spent some time in the inner city to understand. When I mentored I did it with a group and to no surprise, most of the troubled youth in the programs played sports. Their parents basically used sports as a daycare while they worked mutliple jobs, sold drugs, or whatever. Most of those dudes have no or one parent in their lives and end up looking up to the mentors in the programs as their parents basically. We had a kid who ended up living with the counselor.

I'm sure its a similar situation in Miami for some kids, obviously not all. These poor cats are spending their youth around other people who are not their parents. Some of them are playing football since age 6 or 7 and these coaches, uncles, etc. become their mentors. So it carries on until they're older too.

Look at Luke and some of the players he's known since Optimist who all look to him and his opinions.

I have not spent much time in the inner city but this is not a surprising story and it's a shame that all their upbringing surrounds sports, and only sports. Do these kids even know the inside of a public library? Do they even have public libraries in their communities? It's no wonder so many kids that Miami recruits end up academic disasters by the time they're ready to be recruited. It's also a shame that other colleges are more willing to cut them some slack...and it's also a shame that we've seen the emergence of these questionable schools like Champagnat or ASA junior college, that are willing to pass them on as academically prepared to the next level.

What a mess this has all become.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Those Valentine Day LSU shirts MUST BE a violation. How can we report it?

it could certainly put someone in an interesting legal situation. if champagnat is doing it, then they're using lsu's copyrighted image, which should result in a cease-and-desist from lsu. if lsu doesn't do that, then they're knowingly allowing the use of their property on merchandise that is obviously endorsing a signee.

Time to make some emails!

be careful. someone here might get mad at you trying to destroy someone's livelihood or some **** like that.

 

[FullyERicht]

One simple Wikipedia search indicates that Champagnat is accredited by an organization whose sole purpose is to "accredit" diploma mills. It's not actually accredited. What kind of joke laws do they have down there my god.

 

[cubin10]

Those Valentine Day LSU shirts MUST BE a violation. How can we report it?

This is why you need a handler to take care of these things and mentor you on how to file a violation.

 

[Sacks]

So Pete's pulling a Chad and avoiding the difficult questions. What does genron want/expect from Golden and miami?

 

[L A M P]

Do these kids even know the inside of a public library?

Not a chance...

 

[killa1storm]

WTF are these guys "mentoring" them with?

Life generally. You'd have to have spent some time in the inner city to understand. When I mentored I did it with a group and to no surprise, most of the troubled youth in the programs played sports. Their parents basically used sports as a daycare while they worked mutliple jobs, sold drugs, or whatever. Most of those dudes have no or one parent in their lives and end up looking up to the mentors in the programs as their parents basically. We had a kid who ended up living with the counselor.

I'm sure its a similar situation in Miami for some kids, obviously not all. These poor cats are spending their youth around other people who are not their parents. Some of them are playing football since age 6 or 7 and these coaches, uncles, etc. become their mentors. So it carries on until they're older too.

Look at Luke and some of the players he's known since Optimist who all look to him and his opinions.

So...

1. Don't do drugs.
2. Don't hang with the wrong crowd.
3. Stay out of jail.
4. Do well in school.

Then why the **** are these guys involved in the recruiting process?

Why wouldn't they be? If they've been involved in a kid's life since his youth then they would be someone that kid would trust as far as making the best decision for themselves. Especially if they're serving in a somewhat parental role. They're not just gonna disappear out that kids life when they're making one of their biggest decisions to date.

Now again I'm not trying to paint every mentor in that light. Some of these dudes are scum. But like another poster pointed out even guys like Smith and OT who appear to be very grounded dudes had a 3rd party involved. Most of these inner city dudes are this way. They have zero idea about recruiting so a 3rd party is usually there.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

WTF are these guys "mentoring" them with?

Life generally. You'd have to have spent some time in the inner city to understand. When I mentored I did it with a group and to no surprise, most of the troubled youth in the programs played sports. Their parents basically used sports as a daycare while they worked mutliple jobs, sold drugs, or whatever. Most of those dudes have no or one parent in their lives and end up looking up to the mentors in the programs as their parents basically. We had a kid who ended up living with the counselor.

I'm sure its a similar situation in Miami for some kids, obviously not all. These poor cats are spending their youth around other people who are not their parents. Some of them are playing football since age 6 or 7 and these coaches, uncles, etc. become their mentors. So it carries on until they're older too.

Look at Luke and some of the players he's known since Optimist who all look to him and his opinions.

So...

1. Don't do drugs.
2. Don't hang with the wrong crowd.
3. Stay out of jail.
4. Do well in school.

Then why the **** are these guys involved in the recruiting process?

Why wouldn't they be? If they've been involved in a kid's life since his youth then they would be someone that kid would trust as far as making the best decision for themselves. Especially if they're serving in a somewhat parental role. They're not just gonna disappear out that kids life when they're making one of their biggest decisions to date.

Now again I'm not trying to paint every mentor in that light. Some of these dudes are scum. But like another poster pointed out even guys like Smith and OT who appear to be very grounded dudes had a 3rd party involved. Most of these inner city dudes are this way. They have zero idea about recruiting so a 3rd party is usually there.

Somewhat understandable. Curious, what do you think the likelihood is of any of these guys "mentoring" football players if they didn't play football?

 

[killa1storm]

WTF are these guys "mentoring" them with?

Life generally. You'd have to have spent some time in the inner city to understand. When I mentored I did it with a group and to no surprise, most of the troubled youth in the programs played sports. Their parents basically used sports as a daycare while they worked mutliple jobs, sold drugs, or whatever. Most of those dudes have no or one parent in their lives and end up looking up to the mentors in the programs as their parents basically. We had a kid who ended up living with the counselor.

I'm sure its a similar situation in Miami for some kids, obviously not all. These poor cats are spending their youth around other people who are not their parents. Some of them are playing football since age 6 or 7 and these coaches, uncles, etc. become their mentors. So it carries on until they're older too.

Look at Luke and some of the players he's known since Optimist who all look to him and his opinions.

So...

1. Don't do drugs.
2. Don't hang with the wrong crowd.
3. Stay out of jail.
4. Do well in school.

Then why the **** are these guys involved in the recruiting process?

Why wouldn't they be? If they've been involved in a kid's life since his youth then they would be someone that kid would trust as far as making the best decision for themselves. Especially if they're serving in a somewhat parental role. They're not just gonna disappear out that kids life when they're making one of their biggest decisions to date.

Now again I'm not trying to paint every mentor in that light. Some of these dudes are scum. But like another poster pointed out even guys like Smith and OT who appear to be very grounded dudes had a 3rd party involved. Most of these inner city dudes are this way. They have zero idea about recruiting so a 3rd party is usually there.

Somewhat understandable. Curious, what do you think the likelihood is of any of these guys "mentoring" football players if they didn't play football?

A guy like Genron? Probably zero chance.

But I don't think its a matter of them playing football for the majority. I'll draw from my experience mentoring again and say that a lot of the most troubled kids are playing sports when we get a hold of them. Like I said before parents use football, basketball, etc. like daycare so they can drop their kids off and not be bothered with them. The small percentage of parents who are in their kids lives use sports to keep them out of trouble after school by keeping them busy. So a lot of the kids who end up with mentors will be athletes for that reason.

 

[azcanesfan]

JEEZUZ Pete, really? "Part of the process"? What "part of the process" do you think they want to be in?

Whose paying for Champagnat to go to Baton Rouge and play at University Lab next fall? What about the "gas money and some Mcdonalds Money" that your boy Genron was QUOTED talking about??? And he HIMSELF said guys like him were taking money from schools, though he denied he was taking anything more than "gas money" to ESPN. I mean he was BOOTED from SFE for "unethical behavior" which involved "profiting" from player recruitment. LOL. How much more obvious does it have to get? When the **** founder of SFE Goetz himself said its become a cesspool and its out of control, when even $EC coaches are bemoaning how sleazy things have gotten, how on Earth are we supposed to deal with that with the Miami Herald, NCAA, Yahoo, ESPN, SI, all breathing down this program's neck constantly?

And MARK MY WORDS, Champagnat is going to be blown up within a year or two. At a minimum they are going to get booted from the FHSAA. Its painfully clear what is going on at that school. Ferman went there on NSD, said it was the most bizarre school he's seen. Said it was basically a day care center sandwiched between two car lots in Hialeah. And now all these great so Fla players are flocking to that school, that doesnt even have a football field?

Look I know its impossible to remain totally clean these days in this game. But how exactly can this program learn to "adapt" to a guy like Genron who has ADMITTED he takes money from schools?

I guess we blew our budget on Yearby's guy then.

Have you not read a single post Ive made in this thread?

No.

But I'm guessing it went like this:

Kids with handlers who signed with UM: their handlers were clean
Kids with handlers who signed elsewhere: bunch of dirty street agents

No. I have readily acknowledged that many kids have handlers/mentors, could be family friends, uncles, coaches, etc.... and not all of them are dirty or trying to make a buck. But when one is a notorious street agent/hustler, its a totally different situation. IMO the biggest single problem is the 7 on 7 circuit, its a meat market where every hustler in town is trying to get their hooks into these kids to make a buck. That is where our problem lies IMO.

This actually turned into a productive thread, IMO, so shouts out to the OP. I think CANE4LIFE and others draw an important distinction in categorizing all of this into two classes of handlers.

There's a big difference between someone who has been a part of a kid's life, with altruistic intentions, continuing to be there at such a critical juncture, for moral support, guidance and opinion vs. the dudes that are pimpin these kids out for $$$ without regards to what's truly in their best interests, and at times, what could be against their best interests.

I can't imagine that our coaching staff doesn't recognize the difference. Posters have pointed out that Coley gets it. With The way 7 on 7 has taken off, it's only a matter of time before the dirt comes out so prominently in the mainstream media that schools start getting popped.

It's best to
stay away from the known pay to play pimps and pushers. We always have a target on our U.

I think the staff does know the difference and they are getting flak for not dealing with the "pimps".

Its well known that they didn't have a problem dealing with Yearby's "handler", but stayed away from Chad Wilson and have problems with genron. The big issue for them is that these "pimps" then get on social media bagging on the program and the coaches cannot retort.

Like I said, I stay away from the "pimps", recruit the Yearby's, Duke's, etc from SFla, then make a bigger effort out of state like NJ, etc to bring in kids who respect the scholarship.

 

[NoahZach]

I, for one, am appalled and disgusted by young Pete's attitude towards these street vermin.

There is no way as a program that you can lower yourself to their level and validate their existence.

why do you care what pete's attitude is toward this subject? he is a reporter. he doesn't speak for the administration. Pete seems like a good decent guy as far as I can tell. I respect Pete and like the work he does but i don't care about his opinion on handlers any more than i care about what his favorite color is.

Well, the real question is whether Pete's attitude about the subject is designed to get threads like this going. That's not a criticism. It'd be darn smart if it was.

I agree with you. Pete seems like a good guy who works hard to bring good info. But, disagreeing with, being disappointed in or just discussing his opinion doesn't mean any of that isn't true. His opinion on "handlers" might be relevant to what information he gets and how he reports it, so I can understand why folks would be interested in it.