Jeff Thomas

It's my assessment that's suspect but his success is all on him while his failures are all on richt. Let's fly a banner. Clearly we need an oc. Ur right.

you always cry about people putting words in your mouth but turn around and do it when it serves you.. I didn't say **** about Richt's play calling!

Just take the L and give the kid the props he deserves. HE"S A FOOKING GAMER! and he just provided our entire fan base with the most joy we've experienced in over a decade.

And unlike you, i dont have an agenda. I was taking your accounts of the preseason to heart and hoping that Perry would break out of the pack.

You should see a counselor about your unhealthy attachment to being right....

Haha. Anyways before you get too in your feelings I'll clarify I'm not addressing simply you in my response. I was speaking in general. That's the complaint the fan base in general seems to have. Tu comprende? I dont cry bout **** either. Nothing on here will ever be that serious to me. Thanks for your opinions though. God bless bud.

One thing I'm curious about though. Feel free to answer if you want to. Considering everything fsu has gone through do you honestly believe our fan base when it's all said and done will see this game as any different from what it was when we beat Florida several years ago when they started the season top 5 as well... this is what I mean. Same people saying all this now don't give kayaa or that team any credit for beating that uf squad yet are stumbling around like blind fools for us beating this fsu squad... It's not pick & choose.

Kaaya didn’t play uf, wasn’t even on the roster when we played them. This fsu team is more talented than that uf team by far. Yeah they lost their qb but they have elite talent every where other than the oline. Let’s not forget fsu played 3 top 20 teams so it’s not like they are losing to scrubs. And no this is not their worst team in the last 30 years. Before the season starting people talked this team into being a shoe in playoff top 3 consensus team preseason. They also were going around saying that that defense will be the best they have had too. Yeah malik struggled at the beggining but he balled at the end when it mattersd and converted SEVERAL 3rd and longs with great passes or running ability. Threw some absolute dimes in the 4th quarter too. He played big when it mattered the most against a defense that has multiple future nfl players at every level. That’s all you can ask or wish for with a qb making their 5th career start

Holy crap I just agreed with everything brock said.
 
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you always cry about people putting words in your mouth but turn around and do it when it serves you.. I didn't say **** about Richt's play calling!

Just take the L and give the kid the props he deserves. HE"S A FOOKING GAMER! and he just provided our entire fan base with the most joy we've experienced in over a decade.

And unlike you, i dont have an agenda. I was taking your accounts of the preseason to heart and hoping that Perry would break out of the pack.

You should see a counselor about your unhealthy attachment to being right....

Haha. Anyways before you get too in your feelings I'll clarify I'm not addressing simply you in my response. I was speaking in general. That's the complaint the fan base in general seems to have. Tu comprende? I dont cry bout **** either. Nothing on here will ever be that serious to me. Thanks for your opinions though. God bless bud.

One thing I'm curious about though. Feel free to answer if you want to. Considering everything fsu has gone through do you honestly believe our fan base when it's all said and done will see this game as any different from what it was when we beat Florida several years ago when they started the season top 5 as well... this is what I mean. Same people saying all this now don't give kayaa or that team any credit for beating that uf squad yet are stumbling around like blind fools for us beating this fsu squad... It's not pick & choose.

Kaaya didn’t play uf, wasn’t even on the roster when we played them. This fsu team is more talented than that uf team by far. Yeah they lost their qb but they have elite talent every where other than the oline. Let’s not forget fsu played 3 top 20 teams so it’s not like they are losing to scrubs. And no this is not their worst team in the last 30 years. Before the season starting people talked this team into being a shoe in playoff top 3 consensus team preseason. They also were going around saying that that defense will be the best they have had too. Yeah malik struggled at the beggining but he balled at the end when it mattersd and converted SEVERAL 3rd and longs with great passes or running ability. Threw some absolute dimes in the 4th quarter too. He played big when it mattered the most against a defense that has multiple future nfl players at every level. That’s all you can ask or wish for with a qb making their 5th career start

Holy crap I just agreed with everything brock said.
+1
Me too. I'm afraid Dee is alone vis-a-vis Rosier value as our QB and he is sticking to his grounds. We all can be wrong so it is Okay to admit and move on.
 
Everyone keeps mentioning that none of our WRs are open. To me, that is because of the play calling. The route patterns/combos do not create space, they don't move defenders out of position like so many other offenses do. Whatever Malik's limitations are, there is no reason for us to run such basic concepts.

Sorry for thread jacking and turning it into play calling.

Dbs are flat out lining up in position to make a play cause all were running is slants and basic routes.

Uhhhh Richards aint running just slants. Berrios aint running just slants and basic routes. What does that say of the other receivers?

Agreed. This offense will work fine and improve when our talent improves. Richards is the only major, and experienced WR talent on the field right now. The young guys don't seem ready yet and the veterans just really aren't that good. Harris, Cager, Langham and maybe even Mullins just seem to be average possession receivers, haven't seen anything to think different. Coley, Richards, and Njoku have been able to make explosive plays just fine within this offense.
Berrios is not? I would argue he is the best receiver we have on the team.

Berrios is a really nice player who is smart as **** and understands the offense inside and out. That allows him to always be on the field this year and be given opportunities to make plays. If he was an elite talent he would have made a larger impact prior to this year and would be able to be effective on the outside and not exclusively from the slot. When healthy, Richards is far and away the best receiver we have. Richards can do what Berrios does on the inside, Berrios can not do what Richards does on the outside.
 
I'm still celebrating along with all of you.

I guess what i'm seeing as I read through the back and forth is:

Malik locked in during the last 2 drives and led us to victory. That is something that cements him in UM history and we've been celebrating him on the board. That won't ever be downplayed on the board or taken away from him.

-In the meantime, 19-44 is still 19-44. It doesnt take away any credit or weight from him leading us to victory, but it is pretty terrible and leaves you desiring more. Especially with the way he ended the game so well.

-Rosier seems to be a 1-read QB and has a hard time throwing a consistent ball to anyone outside of Braxton. Hopefully the fsu game boosts his confidence and he continues to improve in going through progressions, reading defenses, and throwing dimes.

-Playcalling seems to be a dichotomy between Richt's comfortability/trust in Rosier, and Rosier's ability to execute. Hopefully they continue to grow and get in sync faster as the season progresses.

Again, not taking any credit away from Rosier, but I am also hoping he can become more consistent and lock in faster and for longer periods. If he does that against fsu, we aren't in a position to need a last second game winning drive. If he can do that going forwards then it gives us a good chance at playing in Charlotte.
 
Dbs are flat out lining up in position to make a play cause all were running is slants and basic routes.

Uhhhh Richards aint running just slants. Berrios aint running just slants and basic routes. What does that say of the other receivers?

Agreed. This offense will work fine and improve when our talent improves. Richards is the only major, and experienced WR talent on the field right now. The young guys don't seem ready yet and the veterans just really aren't that good. Harris, Cager, Langham and maybe even Mullins just seem to be average possession receivers, haven't seen anything to think different. Coley, Richards, and Njoku have been able to make explosive plays just fine within this offense.
Berrios is not? I would argue he is the best receiver we have on the team.

Berrios is a really nice player who is smart as **** and understands the offense inside and out. That allows him to always be on the field this year and be given opportunities to make plays. If he was an elite talent he would have made a larger impact prior to this year and would be able to be effective on the outside and not exclusively from the slot. When healthy, Richards is far and away the best receiver we have. Richards can do what Berrios does on the inside, Berrios can not do what Richards does on the outside.

You said the "only" major experience and talent, right?
Experience? Berrios is the most experienced WR on the team
Talent? What is a WR talent?
Precise route running? Check (best according to coaches)
Separation? Check
Physical against DB's? Check
Ball skills and catching in traffic? Check
Blocking? Check
Speed? May not be the fastest but enough speed (see the punt return in FSU game)
What else you need?
Add to that toughness (the toughest WR), Heart ( lion heart according to Richt in today's PC), leadership (team captain) and durability.
Not sure I want any better receiver.
 
Uhhhh Richards aint running just slants. Berrios aint running just slants and basic routes. What does that say of the other receivers?

Agreed. This offense will work fine and improve when our talent improves. Richards is the only major, and experienced WR talent on the field right now. The young guys don't seem ready yet and the veterans just really aren't that good. Harris, Cager, Langham and maybe even Mullins just seem to be average possession receivers, haven't seen anything to think different. Coley, Richards, and Njoku have been able to make explosive plays just fine within this offense.
Berrios is not? I would argue he is the best receiver we have on the team.

Berrios is a really nice player who is smart as **** and understands the offense inside and out. That allows him to always be on the field this year and be given opportunities to make plays. If he was an elite talent he would have made a larger impact prior to this year and would be able to be effective on the outside and not exclusively from the slot. When healthy, Richards is far and away the best receiver we have. Richards can do what Berrios does on the inside, Berrios can not do what Richards does on the outside.

You said the "only" major experience and talent, right?
Experience? Berrios is the most experienced WR on the team
Talent? What is a WR talent?
Precise route running? Check (best according to coaches)
Separation? Check
Physical against DB's? Check
Ball skills and catching in traffic? Check
Blocking? Check
Speed? May not be the fastest but enough speed (see the punt return in FSU game)
What else you need?
Add to that toughness (the toughest WR), Heart ( lion heart according to Richt in today's PC), leadership (team captain) and durability.
Not sure I want any better receiver.

If you noticed I left Berrios out of the "just average" guys. I think he's a really good player and better than the rest. But have you said all that prior to this month, when his total yards for the past 3 seasons were 232, 86, & 178? He's a really reliable guy you want on your team, but he is not an elite, or "major" game changing talent. He's limited by his size, it just is what it is. Coming off this past week it's a hard argument to make, but if you take the total body of work over almost 3 1/2 years I don't know how you can consider him elite, or anywhere near the class of Richards.
 
Who care about stats? LOL I only care about winning.
If Rosier completed 80% of his throws and faltered in the last minute and a half of the game, would you like him better? LOL
Yes ideally you want a QB that can do both, but it is hard to do that in a game when you don't have a running game to help and I don't care if you're Peyton Manning.
If you have all the stats in the world but don't have that it factor and the attributes to help you lead the team and come from behind to win, I don't want you on my team.

What were his stats on those 2 game-winning drives in the 4th against FSU?

7-11 for 118 yards and two TDs on the last two drives

This is is some ish. I wonder if some would be ripping apart Toretta's '92 game. 20-48 for 252 yards with 2 TDs and 1 INT.

"yeah, yeah. I know he hit Lamar Thomas for the game winner but all those incompletions though."
 
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Everyone keeps mentioning that none of our WRs are open. To me, that is because of the play calling. The route patterns/combos do not create space, they don't move defenders out of position like so many other offenses do. Whatever Malik's limitations are, there is no reason for us to run such basic concepts.

Sorry for thread jacking and turning it into play calling.

Dbs are flat out lining up in position to make a play cause all were running is slants and basic routes.

That's on Richt.

This team will never be elite until he gives up control of the offense. Period.

You're right that part is on richt. But he's calling it because those are the only throws he's confident rosier can routinely complete...
 
baaaaaahahaha!

The kid goes to Doak and throws for 3 TDs in the second half vs one of the best D's in the nation. Orchestrates a last second comeback while not having A.R, or Walton.... and you still **** on him???

You may have a legit connect like none of us do to the program, but your assessment of whats going on on the field is suspect as ****..

In fairness to Dee, I don't think he's bashing Rosier's accomplishments. He EARNED the starting job & beat FSU. I'm perfectly fine with him back there as long as he keeps it going.
But he has some issues as a passer & QB in general. U can tell he played baseball. I see it in his footwork & his throwing motion. I've seen it over & over at the high school level, because a lot of high school players (where I'm at) also play baseball. He also isn't used to watching film or reading defenses. But he's progressing.
Again, I have no problem with him starting at QB & I'd neg any post I read that bashes him just to bash him. But we shouldn't completely ignore his flaws just because he beat FSU.

More trash. Dude leads two game-winning drives in the biggest rivalry game in football, and these guys are still with the "yeah, but his throwing motion isn't pretty and he didn't complete all his passes." Pretty obvious what's still going on with some of these gurus.

Chise he didn't complete even 50% of his passes. That's an issue. I don't understand how it's ignored especially when most of his passes were considered safe. As the commentators pointed out all we were running was slants and stops. Thank god we got the win. When it really mattered he stepped up. But if he just played at that level the whole game & was consistent than were not picking apart everyone else but him cause it's not a close game. It's not taking credit away from what he did succeed at. It's great he did that now let's just get him to work on this... dont understand how anyone's able to argue against that...

I don't care about his completion percentage in that game, Dee. I care that he put us on his back and did something we haven't done in 7 years. And he did it twice late in the 4th quarter. The dude's a boss and a winner. There's more to QB play than compiling stats even though Malik's stats are pretty **** good.

Fair & accurate. I just wanna see him get better week in & week out & get more consistent. That's all I'm saying. And so far that is what he's doing. Hes been getting better. Can't complain about that.
 
baaaaaahahaha!

The kid goes to Doak and throws for 3 TDs in the second half vs one of the best D's in the nation. Orchestrates a last second comeback while not having A.R, or Walton.... and you still **** on him???

You may have a legit connect like none of us do to the program, but your assessment of whats going on on the field is suspect as ****..

In fairness to Dee, I don't think he's bashing Rosier's accomplishments. He EARNED the starting job & beat FSU. I'm perfectly fine with him back there as long as he keeps it going.
But he has some issues as a passer & QB in general. U can tell he played baseball. I see it in his footwork & his throwing motion. I've seen it over & over at the high school level, because a lot of high school players (where I'm at) also play baseball. He also isn't used to watching film or reading defenses. But he's progressing.
Again, I have no problem with him starting at QB & I'd neg any post I read that bashes him just to bash him. But we shouldn't completely ignore his flaws just because he beat FSU.

More trash. Dude leads two game-winning drives in the biggest rivalry game in football, and these guys are still with the "yeah, but his throwing motion isn't pretty and he didn't complete all his passes." Pretty obvious what's still going on with some of these gurus.

Chise he didn't complete even 50% of his passes. That's an issue. I don't understand how it's ignored especially when most of his passes were considered safe. As the commentators pointed out all we were running was slants and stops. Thank god we got the win. When it really mattered he stepped up. But if he just played at that level the whole game & was consistent than were not picking apart everyone else but him cause it's not a close game. It's not taking credit away from what he did succeed at. It's great he did that now let's just get him to work on this... dont understand how anyone's able to argue against that...

I don't care about his completion percentage in that game, Dee. I care that he put us on his back and did something we haven't done in 7 years. And he did it twice late in the 4th quarter. The dude's a boss and a winner. There's more to QB play than compiling stats even though Malik's stats are pretty **** good.

Fair & accurate. I just wanna see him get better week in & week out & get more consistent. That's all I'm saying. And so far that is what he's doing. Hes been getting better. Can't complain about that.

Yes. And that's precisely my point. It's rights job to call the plays he's confident our personnel as it is right now is capable of executing. Hes only gonna call plays we excell at in practice. Otherwise he can call whatever. We end up with a incompletion,pick,sack or fumble & were just putting more pressure on the offense & defense. Yes nkosi or Weldon put us far closer to running the offense richt wants to. But at this point neither are mentally capable of doing that. Being clear right now Malik is our best option. That does concern me with next year's team or 19s team when the schedule is nowhere near as forgiving & well have to break in a new qb. But that is all part of the game and all teams go through it.
 
Jesus Christ.

Berries had a great game. He is a good receiver. Richards is elite.
Did I say anything negative about Richard? LOL
So saying good things about Berrios should be taken against Richard?

You said Berrios is better than Richards.
I did? Where?, can you quote me and highlight that please?
If you took that "I would argue that Berrios the best on the team", that really meant to say this year in terms of productivity. Didn't mean that he was more talented than Richard.
 
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Who care about stats? LOL I only care about winning.
If Rosier completed 80% of his throws and faltered in the last minute and a half of the game, would you like him better? LOL
Yes ideally you want a QB that can do both, but it is hard to do that in a game when you don't have a running game to help and I don't care if you're Peyton Manning.
If you have all the stats in the world but don't have that it factor and the attributes to help you lead the team and come from behind to win, I don't want you on my team.

What were his stats on those 2 game-winning drives in the 4th against FSU?

7-11 for 118 yards and two TDs on the last two drives

This is is some ish. I wonder if some would be ripping apart Toretta's '92 game. 20-48 for 252 yards with 2 TDs and 1 INT.

"yeah, yeah. I know he hit Lamar Thomas for the game winner but all those incompletions though."

CIS has always been the home of the ego-driven agenda. Malik is a Canes hero, who will go down as a dragonslayer who put an end to that bullshyt streak. Dude's got 50 pound kettlebells for fruit. And these guys are talking about 1st half stats? LULZ
 
Who care about stats? LOL I only care about winning.
If Rosier completed 80% of his throws and faltered in the last minute and a half of the game, would you like him better? LOL
Yes ideally you want a QB that can do both, but it is hard to do that in a game when you don't have a running game to help and I don't care if you're Peyton Manning.
If you have all the stats in the world but don't have that it factor and the attributes to help you lead the team and come from behind to win, I don't want you on my team.

What were his stats on those 2 game-winning drives in the 4th against FSU?

7-11 for 118 yards and two TDs on the last two drives

This is is some ish. I wonder if some would be ripping apart Toretta's '92 game. 20-48 for 252 yards with 2 TDs and 1 INT.

"yeah, yeah. I know he hit Lamar Thomas for the game winner but all those incompletions though."

Since you say that personally i think torretta was tremendously over rated and he won a heisman. I tell him that ever since ive known him. Difference however was none of that was the norm for gino. Games like this are the norm for rosier. It's not a knock. It's just common sense and we should all want to see him get better where those big throws that he made late become throws he can make on the regular. I just want him to be more consistent. You should too. That's not a knock on him. Hes inexperienced that's a fact. With experience god willing he'll continue to improve in all aspects.
 
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In fairness to Dee, I don't think he's bashing Rosier's accomplishments. He EARNED the starting job & beat FSU. I'm perfectly fine with him back there as long as he keeps it going.
But he has some issues as a passer & QB in general. U can tell he played baseball. I see it in his footwork & his throwing motion. I've seen it over & over at the high school level, because a lot of high school players (where I'm at) also play baseball. He also isn't used to watching film or reading defenses. But he's progressing.
Again, I have no problem with him starting at QB & I'd neg any post I read that bashes him just to bash him. But we shouldn't completely ignore his flaws just because he beat FSU.

More trash. Dude leads two game-winning drives in the biggest rivalry game in football, and these guys are still with the "yeah, but his throwing motion isn't pretty and he didn't complete all his passes." Pretty obvious what's still going on with some of these gurus.

Chise he didn't complete even 50% of his passes. That's an issue. I don't understand how it's ignored especially when most of his passes were considered safe. As the commentators pointed out all we were running was slants and stops. Thank god we got the win. When it really mattered he stepped up. But if he just played at that level the whole game & was consistent than were not picking apart everyone else but him cause it's not a close game. It's not taking credit away from what he did succeed at. It's great he did that now let's just get him to work on this... dont understand how anyone's able to argue against that...

I don't care about his completion percentage in that game, Dee. I care that he put us on his back and did something we haven't done in 7 years. And he did it twice late in the 4th quarter. The dude's a boss and a winner. There's more to QB play than compiling stats even though Malik's stats are pretty **** good.

Fair & accurate. I just wanna see him get better week in & week out & get more consistent. That's all I'm saying. And so far that is what he's doing. Hes been getting better. Can't complain about that.

Yes. And that's precisely my point. It's rights job to call the plays he's confident our personnel as it is right now is capable of executing. Hes only gonna call plays we excell at in practice. Otherwise he can call whatever. We end up with a incompletion,pick,sack or fumble & were just putting more pressure on the offense & defense. Yes nkosi or Weldon put us far closer to running the offense richt wants to. But at this point neither are mentally capable of doing that. Being clear right now Malik is our best option. That does concern me with next year's team or 19s team when the schedule is nowhere near as forgiving & well have to break in a new qb. But that is all part of the game and all teams go through it.

Rick was using the same route tree last year with a 3 year starting QB. He's basic in his offensive concepts. That's part of the reason our WRs look like they struggle to get open.

At this stage, though, I don't care. I'm ecstatic with our team and our results and am just soaking it in right now. I don't expect us to win every game this year. Just get me a Coastal title and let's keep making progress.
 
Agreed. This offense will work fine and improve when our talent improves. Richards is the only major, and experienced WR talent on the field right now. The young guys don't seem ready yet and the veterans just really aren't that good. Harris, Cager, Langham and maybe even Mullins just seem to be average possession receivers, haven't seen anything to think different. Coley, Richards, and Njoku have been able to make explosive plays just fine within this offense.
Berrios is not? I would argue he is the best receiver we have on the team.

Berrios is a really nice player who is smart as **** and understands the offense inside and out. That allows him to always be on the field this year and be given opportunities to make plays. If he was an elite talent he would have made a larger impact prior to this year and would be able to be effective on the outside and not exclusively from the slot. When healthy, Richards is far and away the best receiver we have. Richards can do what Berrios does on the inside, Berrios can not do what Richards does on the outside.

You said the "only" major experience and talent, right?
Experience? Berrios is the most experienced WR on the team
Talent? What is a WR talent?
Precise route running? Check (best according to coaches)
Separation? Check
Physical against DB's? Check
Ball skills and catching in traffic? Check
Blocking? Check
Speed? May not be the fastest but enough speed (see the punt return in FSU game)
What else you need?
Add to that toughness (the toughest WR), Heart ( lion heart according to Richt in today's PC), leadership (team captain) and durability.
Not sure I want any better receiver.

If you noticed I left Berrios out of the "just average" guys. I think he's a really good player and better than the rest. But have you said all that prior to this month, when his total yards for the past 3 seasons were 232, 86, & 178? He's a really reliable guy you want on your team, but he is not an elite, or "major" game changing talent. He's limited by his size, it just is what it is. Coming off this past week it's a hard argument to make, but if you take the total body of work over almost 3 1/2 years I don't know how you can consider him elite, or anywhere near the class of Richards.

I haven't tried and I'm not trying to pin them against each other. Where did I try to make a comparison between Richard and Berrios? All I tried to do, is to state my opinion that Berrios is a major talent and a huge asset to the team who will play on Sundays. The only thing he is good at is making plays and that what counts to me. I couldn't care less about the description of good or elite. Berrios didn't really have a fair chance like many on the team because of the coaching deficiencies, subpar QB and OL play we had had in the last few years.
When he got his chance, he was productive. Very productive. That's all I care about.
 
[video=youtube;e2biMRMweW4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2biMRMweW4[/video]

At 2:15 Malik mentions JT as the receiver who has been stepping up in practice this week with the absence of Richards. I think finally we will see the coming out party for this guy.

P.S. The title of the video is misdated, this is indeed today's post-practice interview.
 
Who care about stats? LOL I only care about winning.
If Rosier completed 80% of his throws and faltered in the last minute and a half of the game, would you like him better? LOL
Yes ideally you want a QB that can do both, but it is hard to do that in a game when you don't have a running game to help and I don't care if you're Peyton Manning.
If you have all the stats in the world but don't have that it factor and the attributes to help you lead the team and come from behind to win, I don't want you on my team.

What were his stats on those 2 game-winning drives in the 4th against FSU?

7-11 for 118 yards and two TDs on the last two drives

This is is some ish. I wonder if some would be ripping apart Toretta's '92 game. 20-48 for 252 yards with 2 TDs and 1 INT.

"yeah, yeah. I know he hit Lamar Thomas for the game winner but all those incompletions though."

CIS has always been the home of the ego-driven agenda. Malik is a Canes hero, who will go down as a dragonslayer who put an end to that bullshyt streak. Dude's got 50 pound kettlebells for fruit. And these guys are talking about 1st half stats? LULZ

Welp sports fans. Personally I'm done arguing about this dudes qb play. I can't deal with the nonsense anymore. I can barely stand to watch my canes anymore. If you people are seriously stupid enough to think this dude is gonna cut it than I GIVE UP on this sight and communicating on here anymore too. This dude did his dumbest to blow a game for 3 and change quarters. Homer & langham saved us repeatedly. In case it wasn't realized langham got off in spite of numerous horrible throws from rosier. Dude is a liability period. Do we gotta deal with him sure we do. But that doesn't change what he is. Even richt finally showed you blind homers how lil confidence he has in him by calling an entire drive with game on the line as bubble screens. T he fourth down throw was a joke just like the numerous fades he threw all game. Langham is the dragon slayer here not the black ****kowski...
 
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