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2026 Jackson Cantwell 5* OT from Nixa, MO

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Alex_Dynamix said:
Ask yourself this..if we had an OSU level operation and budget to work with who’s more likely to build a roster that resembles their 2024 national championship team coach a, or coach b ?
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That’s a very good question. Coach B was at one of the biggest bag schools in CFB. He went 12-2 in 2019 with a NFL caliber QB, but losing to a mediocre ASU team during the regular season spoiled his chances. An OSU level program doesn’t really have rebuilding years. He had the money but couldn’t build an OSU level program that is competitive for a title ever year. 2021 was a mirage- he won the PAC 12 with 4-3 record because it was the weakest conference in CFB, and lost multiple games to 1 win teams. 2022 was a bit of a bounce back to 10 wins, but the season included losses to a 3 win Stanford team, then getting smoked by Utah twice.

Coach A took over a program where the school spent virtually no money on it. Year 2 he had an 8-3 season, a good improvement but tempered by one of the most lopsided losses ever. Year 3 he lost his starting QB, a guy who was good for 50 TDs, 4 games into the season. His backup was fools gold. The team lost a lot of games it probably wouldn’t have if the starting QB had stayed healthy. Coach A got fired after a 7–5 season, including winning 6 of the last 7 games. He then went on to be a DC at a near OSU level program and had one of the best defenses in the country. Then he goes to one of the least resourced programs in the ACC and wins 9 games in his first season.

I look at Ryan Day and see a guy who was an extremely capable coordinator, I don’t think that he personally is an elite recruiter but he has elite recruiters on his staff that more than make up for it. Coach A seems to follow that Ryan Day model better than Coach B. So if I had an OSU level budget and wanted to copy OSU, I would take Coach A because I would have to consider that some of the failures in his first go around MIGHT be due to him not having a chance to learn how to be a HC at a smaller school, like Coach B did. I see what Coach B did at a big program with a huge budget, and I don’t see that he built an OSU level program. It appears his successor did, though.

So again, I’m trying to be purely objective and not look at the names of the coaches. I still think I’d take my chances with Coach A. Chance of failure are still high, but there is still an element of the unknown- he might be able to surprise. I have seen enough of Coach B with a well-heeled program to determine that he can build a solid , sustainable foundation but I don’t think he can build an OSU level program capable of winning championships.

One last thing- I am looking at this through the lens of the OSU model as you proposed. If the question was about copying the Clemson model, I would take Coach B.
 
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We are giving colonoscopies to previous classes all the way to golden and Helfrich at Oregon.

WTF?!
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
I am going to have to disagree there. Richt inherited a lot of quality players that weren’t in good shape or being used correctly. This is our roster for our 10 win season.

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What a mess at OL - Jahairball, mcdonaldson, gaylord and Haywood jablowmey.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Hypocrites tend to do this. It’s funny how this thread spiraled out of control just it’s thought Cantwell may go to another program. For the record, we need him to come here, and I won’t put anything past Mario’s relentless nature to recruit;

But, the stretch these cats r doing is Nick Wright-esq. lol
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He’s a must get, he’s a plug and play RT for Mauigoa next year
 
#1 OT in each cycle since 2011 and where they got drafted

2011- Cyrus Kouandjio- 2nd round- 44th overall

2012- DJ Humphries- 1st round- 24th overall

2013- Laremy Tunsil- 1st round- 13th overall

2014- Cam Robinson- 2nd round- 34th overall

2015- Martez Ivey- UDFA

2016- Greg Little- 2nd round- 37th overall

2017- Alex Leatherwood- 1st round- 17th overall

2018- Nicholas Petit Freir- 3rd round- 69th overall

2019- Evan Neal- 1st round- 7th overall

2020- Broderick Jones- 1st round- 14th overall

2021- JC Latham- 1st round- 7th overall

2022- Kelvin Banks- 1st round- 9th overall

7- 1st rounders
3- 2nd rounders
1- 3rd rounder
1- UDFA

The hit rate on the #1 OT in each cycle is insanely high
 
CANESCANES said:
#1 OT in each cycle since 2011 and where they got drafted

2011- Cyrus Kouandjio- 2nd round- 44th overall

2012- DJ Humphries- 1st round- 24th overall

2013- Laremy Tunsil- 1st round- 13th overall

2014- Cam Robinson- 2nd round- 34th overall

2015- Martez Ivey- UDFA

2016- Greg Little- 2nd round- 37th overall

2017- Alex Leatherwood- 1st round- 17th overall

2018- Nicholas Petit Freir- 3rd round- 69th overall

2019- Evan Neal- 1st round- 7th overall

2020- Broderick Jones- 1st round- 14th overall

2021- JC Latham- 1st round- 7th overall

2022- Kelvin Banks- 1st round- 9th overall

7- 1st rounders
3- 2nd rounders
1- 3rd rounder
1- UDFA

The hit rate on the #1 OT in each cycle is insanely high
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That's wild **** and Francis is next up on the list too
 
Hegemon said:
Manny left a broken team and program.

Where is this Manny Diaz revisionist history coming from along with Mario's lack of on the field production NOT being a problem. Of course it is.

Ive stated multiple times in this thread "Mario's issues are on the field".

"Mario needs to win. Now."

Its almost like yall gloss over what's being said because it's so triggering.

I dont get it...

Let's circle back to the part where I said "I agree with you."

Again Mario landing at Miami IS NOT the same as Lanning landing at OU. Its just not.

Infrastructure
Staffing across multiple departments
Recruiting
Financials
Team
Building Infrastructure

Mario whether anyone wants to believe it or not pulled Miami out of program obscurity as a whole.

You think Lanning had to adjust FUNDING compared to Mario? Stop it lol. Like is this real life?

Anyway I will say it again. Mario is in year 4. Hes been above average at best on the field here. AT BEST. This team as a whole on paper (assuming Beck is healthy of course) IMHO is better than last year's squad. As a whole... coaching remains to be a seen.

ACCCG and Playoffs.

Year one I wanted 6 wins. Got it
Two 8 wins. Fail
Three 10 wins. Got it (no the ending did not amuse me)

The track has been upward. Keep it moving. No excuses.
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Watching people consistently pretend we won 6 games is peak unsaveable behavior. The plot has thoroughly been lost. Has their ever been another coach that has earned more from doing less?
 
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cway313 said:
Watching people consistently pretend we won 6 games is peak unsaveable behavior. The plot has thoroughly been lost. Has their ever been another coach that has earned more from doing less?
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People pretending like there has not been upward momentum and that Mario didn't simply show up and nothing else needed to be changed is peak revisionist history.

But hey it's still 2023 and not 2025.

Has there ever been a coach heel dug more than Mario?

Again for those sitting out back. He needs to win now.
 
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RVACane said:
@Rellyrell ’s raised this before - even with stuff said in the last NFL draft - some of these guys on here gleefully credit Mario for Diaz’s good players but don’t credit Lanning the same way.
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The differential, and it is a big one, is that "recruiting" and "development" are not the same words.

It is great when a coach stays at a school long enough to be able to take credit BOTH for recruiting a great player AND developing a great player. But it doesn't always happen.

Even @Rellyrell can fall into the "commitment date" trap on Mario's last Oregon recruiting class/Lanning's first Oregon recruiting class. I am more than willing to give Lanning credit for recruits that had never previously considered or visited Oregon before Lanning was hired (especially Portal guys). But I'm also not going to give Lanning sole credit for guys that Mario recruited for years and who were just about to pull the trigger for Oregon, but needed a little more time to get to know Lanning before locking in, just because of "commitment date".

Now, if we want to talk DEVELOPMENT, that is a fair subject. I do tend to give coaches credit who "elevate the games" of guys they did not recruit out of high school. Like with Cam Ward, Miami certainly raised him from a Day 3 draft choice to a #1 overall pick.

It's fair to question assumptions and to analyze the data. Mario has been a good recruiter of talent for many years at many schools. It is harder to assess Mario's particular INDIVIDUAL development skills, such as when he was recruiting all the best SoFla WRs to Alabama and then letting Slingblade Billy coach them up. I do think that Cristobal/Mirabal do a very good job of developing OLs. Best in the business? Perhaps not, but probably better than 90% of the OL corching staffs out there.
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
That’s a very good question. Coach B was at one of the biggest bag schools in CFB. He went 12-2 in 2019 with a NFL caliber QB, but losing to a mediocre ASU team during the regular season spoiled his chances. An OSU level program doesn’t really have rebuilding years. He had the money but couldn’t build an OSU level program that is competitive for a title ever year. 2021 was a mirage- he won the PAC 12 with 4-3 record because it was the weakest conference in CFB, and lost multiple games to 1 win teams. 2022 was a bit of a bounce back to 10 wins, but the season included losses to a 3 win Stanford team, then getting smoked by Utah twice.

Coach A took over a program where the school spent virtually no money on it. Year 2 he had an 8-3 season, a good improvement but tempered by one of the most lopsided losses ever. Year 3 he lost his starting QB, a guy who was good for 50 TDs, 4 games into the season. His backup was fools gold. The team lost a lot of games it probably wouldn’t have if the starting QB had stayed healthy. Coach A got fired after a 7–5 season, including winning 6 of the last 7 games. He then went on to be a DC at a near OSU level program and had one of the best defenses in the country. Then he goes to one of the least resourced programs in the ACC and wins 9 games in his first season.

I look at Ryan Day and see a guy who was an extremely capable coordinator, I don’t think that he personally is an elite recruiter but he has elite recruiters on his staff that more than make up for it. Coach A seems to follow that Ryan Day model better than Coach B. So if I had an OSU level budget and wanted to copy OSU, I would take Coach A because I would have to consider that some of the failures in his first go around MIGHT be due to him not having a chance to learn how to be a HC at a smaller school, like Coach B did. I see what Coach B did at a big program with a huge budget, and I don’t see that he built an OSU level program. It appears his successor did, though.

So again, I’m trying to be purely objective and not look at the names of the coaches. I still think I’d take my chances with Coach A. Chance of failure are still high, but there is still an element of the unknown- he might be able to surprise. I have seen enough of Coach B with a well-heeled program to determine that he can build a solid , sustainable foundation but I don’t think he can build an OSU level program capable of winning championships.

One last thing- I am looking at this through the lens of the OSU model as you proposed. If the question was about copying the Clemson model, I would take Coach B.
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And that is false

Michigan state gave up 38
UVA gave up 30 (***** famously played for a FG when offense was rolling) scored 28
UNC gve up 45, scored 42
FSu gave 31 (4th and 14), scored 28

Not even including wins where the offense bailed out the defense

Maybe if Coach A, a defensive minded coach, side of the ball didn't completely regress every year he was a HC, then they wouldn't have lost all those games and he might still have a job here

TrumpyCane wants to know what all this revisionist history is when it comes to Diaz

Mario hate is so strong people think Diaz is some coaching savant
 
TrumpyCane said:
And that is false

Michigan state gave up 38
UVA gave up 30 (***** famously played for a FG when offense was rolling) scored 28
UNC gve up 45, scored 42
FSu gave 31 (4th and 14), scored 28

Not even including wins where the offense bailed out the defense

Maybe if Coach A, a defensive minded coach, side of the ball didn't completely regress every year he was a HC, then they wouldn't have lost all those games and he might still have a job here

TrumpyCane wants to know what all this revisionist history is when it comes to Diaz

Mario hate is so strong people think Diaz is some coaching savant
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Its definitely interesting to say the least how revisionist history is always brought up and its forgotten the shambles we were in towards the end of Manny's tenure with Rhett leaving and having a recruiting class in the 60's.
 
Hegemon said:
People pretending like there has not been upward momentum and that Mario didn't simply show up and nothing else needed to be changed is peak revisionist history.

But hey it's still 2023 and not 2025.

Has there ever been a coach heel dug more than Mario?

Again for those sitting out back. He needs to win now.
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I'm not taking anything said serious if you are granting unearned wins. I can't compete with delusion.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
The differential, and it is a big one, is that "recruiting" and "development" are not the same words.

It is great when a coach stays at a school long enough to be able to take credit BOTH for recruiting a great player AND developing a great player. But it doesn't always happen.

Even @Rellyrell can fall into the "commitment date" trap on Mario's last Oregon recruiting class/Lanning's first Oregon recruiting class. I am more than willing to give Lanning credit for recruits that had never previously considered or visited Oregon before Lanning was hired (especially Portal guys). But I'm also not going to give Lanning sole credit for guys that Mario recruited for years and who were just about to pull the trigger for Oregon, but needed a little more time to get to know Lanning before locking in, just because of "commitment date".

Now, if we want to talk DEVELOPMENT, that is a fair subject. I do tend to give coaches credit who "elevate the games" of guys they did not recruit out of high school. Like with Cam Ward, Miami certainly raised him from a Day 3 draft choice to a #1 overall pick.

It's fair to question assumptions and to analyze the data. Mario has been a good recruiter of talent for many years at many schools. It is harder to assess Mario's particular INDIVIDUAL development skills, such as when he was recruiting all the best SoFla WRs to Alabama and then letting Slingblade Billy coach them up. I do think that Cristobal/Mirabal do a very good job of developing OLs. Best in the business? Perhaps not, but probably better than 90% of the OL corching staffs out there.
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Recruiting and development are inarguably different things/skills. But I would add there is a critical relationship between the two. Projecting how a recruit may mentally, psychologically, and physically develop is an essential part of the evaluation process in recruiting. Some recruits are easier to develop than others.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
Recruiting and development are inarguably different things/skills. But I would add there is a critical relationship between the two. Projecting how a recruit may mentally, psychologically, and physically develop is an essential part of the evaluation process in recruiting. Some recruits are easier to develop than others.
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It’s splitting hairs a little bit but when you take aggregate data from our last 4 coaches there’s a small case to be made that Richt actually had the worst recruiting results but the best on field results
 
JHallCanes said:
It’s splitting hairs a little bit but when you take aggregate data from our last 4 coaches there’s a small case to be made that Richt actually had the worst recruiting results but the best on field results
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What Richt did with Rosier is nothing short of spectacular. If he had a better recruiting staff around him, and was willing to fire his son and other coaches, he would have been legendary.
 
grover said:
What Richt did with Rosier is nothing short of spectacular. If he had a better recruiting staff around him, and was willing to fire his son and other coaches, he would have been legendary.
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Don’t wanna speculate but I would guess the health issues were a problem long before we all found out. The degenerative nature of those things are just horrible
 
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