It's Time for Miami to Join the 21st Century

[Loafers]

First off we need to define what we are talking about. There are different types of spread offenses. Are we talking read option spread or spread like NE. There are huge differences and they are getting combined into one thread.

It doesn't matter. With Kayaa at the helm, it'd just be a wide open spread like Baylor's run with Bryce Petty.

If we had a guy with mobility then we could run a read option spread like Oregon.

I just want more athletes on the field at all times and our offense to move at a faster pace than what we did this season.

U started a thread about this with oregon and osu playing. That is a different offense and I see many people intermingle the two. I understand now.

 

[FullyERicht]

First off we need to define what we are talking about. There are different types of spread offenses. Are we talking read option spread or spread like NE. There are huge differences and they are getting combined into one thread.

It doesn't matter. With Kayaa at the helm, it'd just be a wide open spread like Baylor's run with Bryce Petty.

If we had a guy with mobility then we could run a read option spread like Oregon.

I just want more athletes on the field at all times and our offense to move at a faster pace than what we did this season.

Get the pro style out my face. We used to hire the innovative coaches, now, we are stuck in the stone age. Howard innovated, Jimmy innovated and Dennis innovated. That's what we need. We shouldn't be married to a system or scheme or philosophy. Time to evolve and move on.

Agreed. But any system that doesn't value TOP and that leaves a defense out to dry is a system that will fail in big games.

Why do u have to play that style of defense though? You aren't required to play crap defense because u run spread concepts on offense. Oregon's offense struggles cause they want smaller quicker lineman. Problem is when u face big and fast they can't move the ball on offense.

Bc it's nearly impossible to build two different type teams at the same time. If you want to run a hurry up, insane conditioning speed team on offense, your defense has to be trained the same way. They can't run two separate development systems.

Secondly, their inability to possess the football means Oregon's D is on the field that much more, which makes a mediocre D a poor one.

Finally, you cant gimmick your way to a good D. Oregon is a mediocre team that gimmicks it's way to wins by putting all their energy into their tempo.

 

[Loafers]

First off we need to define what we are talking about. There are different types of spread offenses. Are we talking read option spread or spread like NE. There are huge differences and they are getting combined into one thread.

It doesn't matter. With Kayaa at the helm, it'd just be a wide open spread like Baylor's run with Bryce Petty.

If we had a guy with mobility then we could run a read option spread like Oregon.

I just want more athletes on the field at all times and our offense to move at a faster pace than what we did this season.

Get the pro style out my face. We used to hire the innovative coaches, now, we are stuck in the stone age. Howard innovated, Jimmy innovated and Dennis innovated. That's what we need. We shouldn't be married to a system or scheme or philosophy. Time to evolve and move on.

Agreed. But any system that doesn't value TOP and that leaves a defense out to dry is a system that will fail in big games.

Why do u have to play that style of defense though? You aren't required to play crap defense because u run spread concepts on offense. Oregon's offense struggles cause they want smaller quicker lineman. Problem is when u face big and fast they can't move the ball on offense.

Bc it's nearly impossible to build two different type teams at the same time. If you want to run a hurry up, insane conditioning speed team on offense, your defense has to be trained the same way. They can't run two separate development systems.

Secondly, their inability to possess the football means Oregon's D is on the field that much more, which makes a mediocre D a poor one.

Finally, you cant gimmick your way to a good D. Oregon is a mediocre team that gimmicks it's way to wins by putting all their energy into their tempo.

I guess I am confused. Are we talking about running spread or fast paced? They are mutually exclusive. Bill bellichick met with Kelly while he was at oregon to implement the fast pace to NE offense. They don't run a weak defense. And yes total defense numbers will be higher when you throw a lot and run some tempo. That is why per play number are a better indicator of your teams performance. Buffalo ran no huddle with kelly and they had a solid defense. It can be done. But the thread is kinda scattershot. We have people talking spread like oregon while also comparing baylor and then talking playing fast.

 

[Insanecane]

It's time for us to evolve and adapt a true spread, hurry-up offense.

No, the spread, hurry-up isn't a "gimmick" offense. It's a system. A system that was created as an equalizer for teams with lesser talent, but has evolved into a system that gives even the best defensive minds (Saban for one) fits.

It's time that Miami join the new age of college football. The game has changed. This is an offensive game now. You win championships by scoring points. Not having your offense sit on the ball.

Players today want to play in fun offenses. Look at what Baylor's offense has done for them. They got one of the top WRs in the nation last year in KD Cannon. Speedy Noil chose Texas A&M over LSU because of their offense. Every year Clemson's spread offense plucks an elite player from Florida. Gus Malzhan took Auburn to the championship game last year with a ******* cornerback playing QB for them.

Even a defensive mind like Gary Patterson realized the benefits of a spread system and changed his offense from a grind it out slugfest into a wide open offense that has him competing for Big 12 championships and beating the **** out of a "mighty SEC defense," Ole Miss.

7 of the final top 10 this year run some for of the spread. Look at this year's championship game. Two spread teams that both ranked in the top 10 in offense this year. One of which did so with their second and third string QBs.

While I am not against spread offenses please understand that Ohio State won their National Championship by sitting on the ball. Their 3rd quarter 5 and 7 minute drives were a thing of beauty yesterday. Here's my deal. I believe you can win Championships if you know how to run an offense and know how to run it to perfection. That means recruiting the right players to fit your offensive system, and then properly developing them. Right now we run a hodge podge of ****. I don't really know what our identity is. Under Chud and Coker 2000 - 2003 we ran a pro formation...and scored a **** ton of points too. I mean when our offense was running on all cylinders we put up points faster than Orgeon could even wish. Let me tell you a secret, 1995 Nebraska could show up today and score a **** ton of points running their option as well.
It's not about what offense you run, it's about execution of that offense and having the right people for it.

 

[sebastian91]

While I am not against spread offenses please understand that Ohio State won their National Championship by sitting on the ball. Their 3rd quarter 5 and 7 minute drives were a thing of beauty yesterday. Here's my deal. I believe you can win Championships if you know how to run an offense and know how to run it to perfection. That means recruiting the right players to fit your offensive system, and then properly developing them. Right now we run a hodge podge of ****. I don't really know what our identity is. Under Chud and Coker 2000 - 2003 we ran a pro formation...and scored a **** ton of points too. I mean when our offense was running on all cylinders we put up points faster than Orgeon could even wish. Let me tell you a secret, 1995 Nebraska could show up today and score a **** ton of points running their option as well.
It's not about what offense you run, it's about execution of that offense and having the right people for it.

Dominate the LOS on both sides of the ball (like those teams you mention, especially that 95 Corn****er team), and you can run whatever the **** kind of offense you want.

 

[paksat]

While I am not against spread offenses please understand that Ohio State won their National Championship by sitting on the ball. Their 3rd quarter 5 and 7 minute drives were a thing of beauty yesterday. Here's my deal. I believe you can win Championships if you know how to run an offense and know how to run it to perfection. That means recruiting the right players to fit your offensive system, and then properly developing them. Right now we run a hodge podge of ****. I don't really know what our identity is. Under Chud and Coker 2000 - 2003 we ran a pro formation...and scored a **** ton of points too. I mean when our offense was running on all cylinders we put up points faster than Orgeon could even wish. Let me tell you a secret, 1995 Nebraska could show up today and score a **** ton of points running their option as well.
It's not about what offense you run, it's about execution of that offense and having the right people for it.

Dominate the LOS on both sides of the ball (like those teams you mention, especially that 95 Corn****er team), and you can run whatever the **** kind of offense you want.

exactly what i said

 

[AUcane]

OSU has the perfect blend of a team - they are the gold standard, imo.

You have a fast and physical defense (espeically front 7). And on offense, you have a read option look but can be very physical.

 

[ScubaCane]

OSU has the perfect blend of a team - they are the gold standard, imo.

You have a fast and physical defense (espeically front 7). And on offense, you have a read option look but can be very physical.

It was painful watching how good OSU looked on both sides of the ball last night. Completely different game than what's being played in Coral Gables currently.

 

[since56]

No thanks, that gimmicky crap will get exposed soon enough.

I agree! Nothing like 3 yards and a cloud of dust! That's FOOTBALL!

 

[skyman]

It's time for us to evolve and adapt a true spread, hurry-up offense.

No, the spread, hurry-up isn't a "gimmick" offense. It's a system. A system that was created as an equalizer for teams with lesser talent, but has evolved into a system that gives even the best defensive minds (Saban for one) fits.

It's time that Miami join the new age of college football. The game has changed. This is an offensive game now. You win championships by scoring points. Not having your offense sit on the ball.

Players today want to play in fun offenses. Look at what Baylor's offense has done for them. They got one of the top WRs in the nation last year in KD Cannon. Speedy Noil chose Texas A&M over LSU because of their offense. Every year Clemson's spread offense plucks an elite player from Florida. Gus Malzhan took Auburn to the championship game last year with a ****ing cornerback playing QB for them.

Even a defensive mind like Gary Patterson realized the benefits of a spread system and changed his offense from a grind it out slugfest into a wide open offense that has him competing for Big 12 championships and beating the **** out of a "mighty SEC defense," Ole Miss.

7 of the final top 10 this year run some for of the spread. Look at this year's championship game. Two spread teams that both ranked in the top 10 in offense this year. One of which did so with their second and third string QBs.

While I am not against spread offenses please understand that Ohio State won their National Championship by sitting on the ball. Their 3rd quarter 5 and 7 minute drives were a thing of beauty yesterday. Here's my deal. I believe you can win Championships if you know how to run an offense and know how to run it to perfection. That means recruiting the right players to fit your offensive system, and then properly developing them. Right now we run a hodge podge of ****. I don't really know what our identity is. Under Chud and Coker 2000 - 2003 we ran a pro formation...and scored a **** ton of points too. I mean when our offense was running on all cylinders we put up points faster than Orgeon could even wish. Let me tell you a secret, 1995 Nebraska could show up today and score a **** ton of points running their option as well.
It's not about what offense you run, it's about execution of that offense and having the right people for it.

Realize Urban did this for a reason. Urban has gone more uptempo since he has been at OSU but they use it differently than UO. You better believe Urban was scared ****less with UO pace and deliberately wanted to shorten the game and possess the ball. He wanted Mariotta on sideline more than anything else. Didnt help UO with how they scored on 70 yrd bomb in one play. But OSU used tempo ALOT the last couple years. Many articles about how Urban went to UO to adopt it and how he thinks its the future and saying you dont have to use it but its an advantage for offense and you would be a fool not to use an advantage

 

[JHallCanes]

OSU has the perfect blend of a team - they are the gold standard, imo.

You have a fast and physical defense (espeically front 7). And on offense, you have a read option look but can be very physical.

It was painful watching how good OSU looked on both sides of the ball last night. Completely different game than what's being played in Coral Gables currently.

As much as Ohio State disgusts me in every way, you had to appreciate, as a football fan, what they did last night. They had some asinine turnovers that were freakish, but they looked like a well oiled machine for most of the game.

 

[paksat]

honestly I wouldn't mind the spread style that meyer runs, it's still run oriented

what I don't get is whats the point then, does the fact you get to hand it off from the shotgun make that much of a difference?

 

[RiDLer80]

honestly I wouldn't mind the spread style that meyer runs, it's still run oriented

what I don't get is whats the point then, does the fact you get to hand it off from the shotgun make that much of a difference?

The difference is that spread offenses force you to defend the entire field. Not just tackles extended.

Your defense is spread more thin against spreads. You have to account for WRs outside of the numbers as well as the RB, maybe QB, in the box.

 

[MIATL513]

honestly I wouldn't mind the spread style that meyer runs, it's still run oriented

what I don't get is whats the point then, does the fact you get to hand it off from the shotgun make that much of a difference?

The difference is that spread offenses force you to defend the entire field. Not just tackles extended.

Your defense is spread more thin against spreads. You have to account for WRs outside of the numbers as well as the RB, maybe QB, in the box.

The spread allows you to block at different angles. But your guys still have to "win" those blocks.

OSU stacked the box against Oregon. They attacked the OL, and the Oregon receivers didn't make them pay.

OSU played Oregon the way us fans wanted Miami to play Nebraska. They dared Oregon to beat them over the top, and that's not Oregon's game. Oregon is the evolution of the GT triple option ... Less cut blocking and more passing ... But it's what Johnson runs, but from the shot-gun.

And a lot of defending Oregon is guessing correctly on their tendencies. Credit to OSU ... They were prepared.

Oregon got 4 OSU turnovers, but only scored 20 ... They got 5 FSU turnovers and scored 59. And FSU has 2 DL declaring early for the NFL draft.

OSU out-schemed Oregon .. It happens.

 

[MIATL513]

But the Oregon D has always been suspect.

It is absolutely predicated on playing with the lead.

Like us ... They need a complete revamp on D. Much more aggressive style. Something like LSU, with Chavis ...

Will be interesting to see how Auburn and TAMU do on defense with their new stud DCs ...

 

[RiDLer80]

honestly I wouldn't mind the spread style that meyer runs, it's still run oriented

what I don't get is whats the point then, does the fact you get to hand it off from the shotgun make that much of a difference?

The difference is that spread offenses force you to defend the entire field. Not just tackles extended.

Your defense is spread more thin against spreads. You have to account for WRs outside of the numbers as well as the RB, maybe QB, in the box.

The spread allows you to block at different angles. But your guys still have to "win" those blocks.

OSU stacked the box against Oregon. They attacked the OL, and the Oregon receivers didn't make them pay.

OSU played Oregon the way us fans wanted Miami to play Nebraska. They dared Oregon to beat them over the top, and that's not Oregon's game. Oregon is the evolution of the GT triple option ... Less cut blocking and more passing ... But it's what Johnson runs, but from the shot-gun.

And a lot of defending Oregon is guessing correctly on their tendencies. Credit to OSU ... They were prepared.

Oregon got 4 OSU turnovers, but only scored 20 ... They got 5 FSU turnovers and scored 59. And FSU has 2 DL declaring early for the NFL draft.

OSU out-schemed Oregon .. It happens.

Oregon was by far the least talented team in the playoffs but their scheme was able to get them there. At a certain point, like you said, you have to win the one on ones. Oregon couldn't against OSU.

OSU's players are simply better than what Oregon had on top of Urban Meyer being possibly the best coach in college.

Oregon's players physically couldn't compete with OSU's. I said it in another thread but their LBs look like they were still in high school, their big DEs were soft and their nose guard got trucked by OSU's QB.

 

[gogeta4]

honestly I wouldn't mind the spread style that meyer runs, it's still run oriented

what I don't get is whats the point then, does the fact you get to hand it off from the shotgun make that much of a difference?

The difference is that spread offenses force you to defend the entire field. Not just tackles extended.

Your defense is spread more thin against spreads. You have to account for WRs outside of the numbers as well as the RB, maybe QB, in the box.

The spread allows you to block at different angles. But your guys still have to "win" those blocks.

OSU stacked the box against Oregon. They attacked the OL, and the Oregon receivers didn't make them pay.

OSU played Oregon the way us fans wanted Miami to play Nebraska. They dared Oregon to beat them over the top, and that's not Oregon's game. Oregon is the evolution of the GT triple option ... Less cut blocking and more passing ... But it's what Johnson runs, but from the shot-gun.

And a lot of defending Oregon is guessing correctly on their tendencies. Credit to OSU ... They were prepared.

Oregon got 4 OSU turnovers, but only scored 20 ... They got 5 FSU turnovers and scored 59. And FSU has 2 DL declaring early for the NFL draft.

OSU out-schemed Oregon .. It happens.

Oregon was by far the least talented team in the playoffs but their scheme was able to get them there. At a certain point, like you said, you have to win the one on ones. Oregon couldn't against OSU.

OSU's players are simply better than what Oregon had on top of Urban Meyer being possibly the best coach in college.

Oregon's players physically couldn't compete with OSU's. I said it in another thread but their LBs look like they were still in high school, their big DEs were soft and their nose guard got trucked by OSU's QB.

I mean i lol'd at the announcers constant proclaiming of Buckner and Armstead size and they looked like two big softies out thee tapping out every play and ****y bumping....i dont know if guys paid attention but Joey Bosa did whatever he wanted with the tackles he lined up against..Bull rush..rips...worked half a man...and killed it...then i looked at Oregon's guys just lookin like our dline...but they looked clean and menacing coming off the bus...

Their d is never good and their players are routinely soft...i mean Dion Jordan is f"in up my pro team in the dolphins as a top 5 pick that is garbage...

Stanford punks them routinely and did it again this year..but have a corch that takes over play calling in the redzone who botched it about 5 times.

Oregon is cool..but non of those teams in the pac 10 play any real d....and they routinely get pushed around....

 

[SWFLSWAGG17]

It's time for us to evolve and adapt a true spread, hurry-up offense.

No, the spread, hurry-up isn't a "gimmick" offense. It's a system. A system that was created as an equalizer for teams with lesser talent, but has evolved into a system that gives even the best defensive minds (Saban for one) fits.

It's time that Miami join the new age of college football. The game has changed. This is an offensive game now. You win championships by scoring points. Not having your offense sit on the ball.

Players today want to play in fun offenses. Look at what Baylor's offense has done for them. They got one of the top WRs in the nation last year in KD Cannon. Speedy Noil chose Texas A&M over LSU because of their offense. Every year Clemson's spread offense plucks an elite player from Florida. Gus Malzhan took Auburn to the championship game last year with a ****ing cornerback playing QB for them.

Even a defensive mind like Gary Patterson realized the benefits of a spread system and changed his offense from a grind it out slugfest into a wide open offense that has him competing for Big 12 championships and beating the **** out of a "mighty SEC defense," Ole Miss.

7 of the final top 10 this year run some for of the spread. Look at this year's championship game. Two spread teams that both ranked in the top 10 in offense this year. One of which did so with their second and third string QBs.

We had to SLOW it down this year because there are 2 sides of the ball to consider. Just marinade on what that D'nofrio D looks like getting on the field more than this year and tell me it's a good idea.
Two sides to every coin. We are not deep enough on Defense to play fast.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

It's time for us to evolve and adapt a true spread, hurry-up offense.

No, the spread, hurry-up isn't a "gimmick" offense. It's a system. A system that was created as an equalizer for teams with lesser talent, but has evolved into a system that gives even the best defensive minds (Saban for one) fits.

It's time that Miami join the new age of college football. The game has changed. This is an offensive game now. You win championships by scoring points. Not having your offense sit on the ball.

Players today want to play in fun offenses. Look at what Baylor's offense has done for them. They got one of the top WRs in the nation last year in KD Cannon. Speedy Noil chose Texas A&M over LSU because of their offense. Every year Clemson's spread offense plucks an elite player from Florida. Gus Malzhan took Auburn to the championship game last year with a ****ing cornerback playing QB for them.

Even a defensive mind like Gary Patterson realized the benefits of a spread system and changed his offense from a grind it out slugfest into a wide open offense that has him competing for Big 12 championships and beating the **** out of a "mighty SEC defense," Ole Miss.

7 of the final top 10 this year run some for of the spread. Look at this year's championship game. Two spread teams that both ranked in the top 10 in offense this year. One of which did so with their second and third string QBs.

We had to SLOW it down this year because there are 2 sides of the ball to consider. Just marinade on what that D'nofrio D looks like getting on the field more than this year and tell me it's a good idea.
Two sides to every coin. We are not deep enough on Defense to play fast.

Speed it up one year Jedd Fisch. Slow it down the next Jedd Fisch. Speed it up Corley. Slow it down Corley.

Al has no clue what the **** football is all about. He could sell a Keurig to a Colombian though!