It's Time for Miami to Join the 21st Century

[moshated305]

Bump.

Two spread offenses playing in the first national championship game.

You gotta be able to score a lot of points in order to win in today's game.

Ask LSU how their pro-style offense has treated them over the years.

Ask Nick Saban how he feels about defending spread offenses.

Ask fsu how it's done for them. It's not what system u run, it's the players and having a guy that can motivate. And prepare his team.

FSU has been running their own spread variants for years under Jimbo. Miami has been trying but we still play too **** slow.

 

[paksat]

comes down to one thing, the line of scrimmage

oregon got dominated, and their spread got owned for it

it's the same concept whether you're running a wishbone, a spread, or a pro style

there's nothing unique and scary about it besides pace and running your quarterback into 4.4 running 240 lb machines

 

[Loafers]

First off we need to define what we are talking about. There are different types of spread offenses. Are we talking read option spread or spread like NE. There are huge differences and they are getting combined into one thread.

 

[RiDLer80]

First off we need to define what we are talking about. There are different types of spread offenses. Are we talking read option spread or spread like NE. There are huge differences and they are getting combined into one thread.

It doesn't matter. With Kayaa at the helm, it'd just be a wide open spread like Baylor's run with Bryce Petty.

If we had a guy with mobility then we could run a read option spread like Oregon.

I just want more athletes on the field at all times and our offense to move at a faster pace than what we did this season.

 

[The Franchise]

Anyone who looks at our recruiting base and wants to run a slow, methodical, grind the clock, power scheme is a fcking moron. That's the offense you run if you're located in Wisconsin or Nebraska and have big corn fed OL as your main resource but not much access to great skill talent.

 

[JHallCanes]

Yes, the Oregon spread really wins championships, clearly......lmao.

In case you weren't paying attention, Ohio State also runs a spread.

I used to not care for the "spread" offense but it's difficult to even categorize it like that anymore. This ain't the fun and fun offenses that render the running back obsolete. Far from it. If anything these offenses can make running backs look much better.

 

[JHallCanes]

Anyone who looks at our recruiting base and wants to run a slow, methodical, grind the clock, power scheme is a fcking moron. That's the offense you run if you're located in Wisconsin or Nebraska and have big corn fed OL as your main resource but not much access to great skill talent.

People said that Urb's offense would never work without Florida athletes. Wonder how they feel now? Our staff has constantly recruited against their preferences which is moronic on many levels. It doesn't help anyone.

 

[The Franchise]

Yes, the Oregon spread really wins championships, clearly......lmao.

In case you weren't paying attention, Ohio State also runs a spread.

I used to not care for the "spread" offense but it's difficult to even categorize it like that anymore. This ain't the fun and fun offenses that render the running back obsolete. Far from it. If anything these offenses can make running backs look much better.

Yep. There's a big difference between the Mumme Air Raid and Chip Kelly's run first up tempo spread. Dude's hear "spread" and all they think about is Mike leach.

It's easier to run out of spread sets because there's less traffic. Simple concept.

Cutcliff was talking about why he likes to spread the field horizontally and vertically. He says it opens up angles and lanes for QBs and RBs that they don't have in compressed tight formations.

 

[The Franchise]

Anyone who looks at our recruiting base and wants to run a slow, methodical, grind the clock, power scheme is a fcking moron. That's the offense you run if you're located in Wisconsin or Nebraska and have big corn fed OL as your main resource but not much access to great skill talent.

People said that Urb's offense would never work without Florida athletes. Wonder how they feel now? Our staff has constantly recruited against their preferences which is moronic on many levels. It doesn't help anyone.

It's funny because the first thing the dummies said was that Urb's Utah spread wouldn't work at Florida.

 

[FullyERicht]

For the past 50 years there are very clear elements that win football games.

-The ability to run the football and possess the football
-the ability to stop the run

When you run a system that places no value on time of possession, and requires you to be ahead all game, it's very hard to win anything of substance.

Offense and defense work in tandem. If your defense cannot get off the field, it effects your offense. If your offense cannot possess the football, it effects your defense.

What I can;t stand about the Oregon offense, and the Sumlin/Holgerson/Leach offenses is that while they are unstoppable against most teams, they predictably wilt against above averages defenses, and then they have no means of coming back in games.

Oregon had a few dropped passes, and bc of that couldn't get out front. Which meant they couldn't run tempo. Which meant they punted more than usual. This then put a garbage 3-4 bend don't break D in an even worse position. Their entire D system is predicated on giving up a billion yards and hoping for the other team to make a mistake, and then having their offense capitalize on that.

Well when your offense is ever so slightly off, the entire thing crumbles. Oregon can't win close, non-blowout games.

 

[FullyERicht]

Spread is a formation. It's not an offense.

Urban's offense is basically power football and play action. But they do it from a shotgun spread and have a few jet sweeps and option plays thrown in.

They run the ball and possess the ball. They can grind it out and ground and pound. Especially when their QB is a truck like it was wth Tebow and now this guy.

 

[The Franchise]

For the past 50 years there are very clear elements that win football games.

-The ability to run the football and possess the football
-the ability to stop the run

When you run a system that places no value on time of possession, and requires you to be ahead all game, it's very hard to win anything of substance.

Offense and defense work in tandem. If your defense cannot get off the field, it effects your offense. If your offense cannot possess the football, it effects your defense.

What I can;t stand about the Oregon offense, and the Sumlin/Holgerson/Leach offenses is that while they are unstoppable against most teams, they predictably wilt against above averages defenses, and then they have no means of coming back in games.

Oregon had a few dropped passes, and bc of that couldn't get out front. Which meant they couldn't run tempo. Which meant they punted more than usual. This then put a garbage 3-4 bend don't break D in an even worse position. Their entire D system is predicated on giving up a billion yards and hoping for the other team to make a mistake, and then having their offense capitalize on that.

Well when your offense is ever so slightly off, the entire thing crumbles. Oregon can't win close, non-blowout games.

How much of Oregon's problem was their spread, and how much was them facing a much more talented team with the best HC in college football?

 

[FullyERicht]

For the past 50 years there are very clear elements that win football games.

-The ability to run the football and possess the football
-the ability to stop the run

When you run a system that places no value on time of possession, and requires you to be ahead all game, it's very hard to win anything of substance.

Offense and defense work in tandem. If your defense cannot get off the field, it effects your offense. If your offense cannot possess the football, it effects your defense.

What I can;t stand about the Oregon offense, and the Sumlin/Holgerson/Leach offenses is that while they are unstoppable against most teams, they predictably wilt against above averages defenses, and then they have no means of coming back in games.

Oregon had a few dropped passes, and bc of that couldn't get out front. Which meant they couldn't run tempo. Which meant they punted more than usual. This then put a garbage 3-4 bend don't break D in an even worse position. Their entire D system is predicated on giving up a billion yards and hoping for the other team to make a mistake, and then having their offense capitalize on that.

Well when your offense is ever so slightly off, the entire thing crumbles. Oregon can't win close, non-blowout games.

How much of Oregon's problem was their spread, and how much was them facing a much more talented team with the best HC in college football?

Marcus Mariota has never won a game in which he was trailing by 10 or more at the half. There were other stats given about how if they don't score over 35 points they are winless in the last few years, something like that.

You simply cannot win in big games against talented teams when your system is predicated on having to score every possession. It's not realistic.

Their defense is 89th in total D, 60th in scoring D.....and their time of possession? 120th!

I don't want to hear anyone say **** about how controlling the ball and playing D is somehow outdated. It's what Bama did to the tune of 3 titles in four years. It's what FSU did last year, it's what OSU has done the last few weeks. It's what the Seahawks did.

Three yards and a cloud of dust sucks. But that doesnt mean it is logical to abandon tried and true concepts of winning football. Possess the ball, play great D.

 

[Rellyrell]

One problem, guys. If we score too fast, and our "defense" bleeds to number 90th in the country again in total defense, Golden will use that as an excuse and possibly get another year at the helm.

 

[NVA CANE]

Get the pro style out my face. We used to hire the innovative coaches, now, we are stuck in the stone age. Howard innovated, Jimmy innovated and Dennis innovated. That's what we need. We shouldn't be married to a system or scheme or philosophy. Time to evolve and move on.

 

[FullyERicht]

One problem, guys. If we score too fast, and our "defense" bleeds to number 90th in the country again in total defense, Golden will use that as an excuse and possibly get another year at the helm.

When your defensive philosophy is rush three and hope for mistakes, you have no defensive philosophy.

When your OC coordinates one of the worst 3rd down and red zone offenses in school history, you have no philosophy.

When you have BOTH, you are 6-7 and your fan base wants blood.

 

[FullyERicht]

Get the pro style out my face. We used to hire the innovative coaches, now, we are stuck in the stone age. Howard innovated, Jimmy innovated and Dennis innovated. That's what we need. We shouldn't be married to a system or scheme or philosophy. Time to evolve and move on.

Agreed. But any system that doesn't value TOP and that leaves a defense out to dry is a system that will fail in big games.

 

[sebastian91]

Get the pro style out my face. We used to hire the innovative coaches, now, we are stuck in the stone age. Howard innovated, Jimmy innovated and Dennis innovated. That's what we need. We shouldn't be married to a system or scheme or philosophy. Time to evolve and move on.

Agreed. But any system that doesn't value TOP and that leaves a defense out to dry is a system that will fail in big games.

Not only that, but Howard, Jimmy, Butch, and Coker were not innovators on offense. Only Dennis did anything different.

 

[Loafers]

First off we need to define what we are talking about. There are different types of spread offenses. Are we talking read option spread or spread like NE. There are huge differences and they are getting combined into one thread.

It doesn't matter. With Kayaa at the helm, it'd just be a wide open spread like Baylor's run with Bryce Petty.

If we had a guy with mobility then we could run a read option spread like Oregon.

I just want more athletes on the field at all times and our offense to move at a faster pace than what we did this season.

Get the pro style out my face. We used to hire the innovative coaches, now, we are stuck in the stone age. Howard innovated, Jimmy innovated and Dennis innovated. That's what we need. We shouldn't be married to a system or scheme or philosophy. Time to evolve and move on.

Agreed. But any system that doesn't value TOP and that leaves a defense out to dry is a system that will fail in big games.

Why do u have to play that style of defense though? You aren't required to play crap defense because u run spread concepts on offense. Oregon's offense struggles cause they want smaller quicker lineman. Problem is when u face big and fast they can't move the ball on offense.

 

[FullyERicht]

Get the pro style out my face. We used to hire the innovative coaches, now, we are stuck in the stone age. Howard innovated, Jimmy innovated and Dennis innovated. That's what we need. We shouldn't be married to a system or scheme or philosophy. Time to evolve and move on.

Agreed. But any system that doesn't value TOP and that leaves a defense out to dry is a system that will fail in big games.

Not only that, but Howard, Jimmy, Butch, and Coker were not innovators on offense. Only Dennis did anything different.

Howard was innovative in that most college teams at that time were not running NFL style offenses.