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Is Keyshawn Smith our best WR

puertorricane said:
Nope, he hasn't done anything. Until he proves it in a real game all we are talking about is potential.
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The Franchise said:
This **** always degenerates into goofballs playing the coach infallibility card. They claim those of us who think the coaches made mistakes by playing Plop and Wimpins 70+ plays per game and never playing a guy who flashed every time he did play (Key) are somehow claiming the coaches are involved in a conspiracy to lose their jobs by intentionally playing bad player over good players.

That’s got NOTHING to do with it for the 40000th time, gloids. Coaches make these mistakes all the time, and it’s got nothing to do with stupid conspiracies to sabotage their own jobs.
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Exactly, and this would include both Lashlee and Likens as part of a conspiracy. I am sure in retrospect they realize they should have given both Redding and Smith more burn early on considering how poorly both Pope and Wiggins closed the season.
 
The Franchise said:
This **** always degenerates into goofballs playing the coach infallibility card. They claim those of us who think the coaches made mistakes by playing Plop and Wimpins 70+ plays per game and never playing a guy who flashed every time he did play (Key) are somehow claiming the coaches are involved in a conspiracy to lose their jobs by intentionally playing bad player over good players.

That’s got NOTHING to do with it for the 40000th time, gloids. Coaches make these mistakes all the time, and it’s got nothing to do with stupid conspiracies to sabotage their own jobs.
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I know I am preaching to the choir here, but when the response is "you really think a new coach would show favoritism to kids he just meant with his career on the line," you're dealing with a textbook strawman argument.

The conduct does not need to be a conspiracy or some intentional act of sabotage to be questionable. Coaches are just people, and people make mistakes. Anyone can have a bad day or two, but people who are less competent at their jobs tend to make more mistakes. And the more mistakes a person makes, the more likely it is they just aren't competent. It's that simple.

Even if I was willing to admit there were no other games Smith or Redding should have been getting significant snaps (I'm not), how can anyone defend Pope and Wiggins getting so many snaps in a mostly meaningless bowl game when they looked like the worst pair of starting WRs at UM in at least the last 30 years, Smith and Redding were available, and Pope/Wiggins were not asked to take a seat despite numerous costly drops? It should not be controversial to point out that was a mistake by the coaching staff.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Sometimes a drop is less destructive than running a wrong route or missing a block.

Coaches have routinely said a lack of practice time and COVID hindered the development of a lot of the young guys at WR. It was obvious at LB too where Flagg had Jennings with one foot out the door early then the COVID **** hit the fan.

I know cis loves a good conspiracy theory, like the whole cooney thing, but sometimes the logical answer is the answer.
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Sure, between "conspiracy theory" and "COVID hurting development", the latter is certainly the logical answer. But why are you devolving the conversation into those two alternatives? Isn't it possible that the coaches, at some point, made an error in judgment?

In the bowl game 3 months ago, do you think Likens/Lashlee should have sat Pope and/or Wiggins on the bench (for Redding and/or Smith) after their respective, costly drops in the second and third quarter?
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Sure, between "conspiracy theory" and "COVID hurting development", the latter is certainly the logical answer. But why are you devolving the conversation into those two alternatives? Isn't it possible that the coaches, at some point, made an error in judgment?

In the bowl game 3 months ago, do you think Likens/Lashlee should have sat Pope and/or Wiggins on the bench (for Redding and/or Smith) after their respective, costly drops in the second and third quarter?
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Benched for who?

The same freshmen who had little or no legitimate practice time and hadn’t played all season?

It comes back to the same thing.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Benched for who?

The same freshmen who had little or no legitimate practice time and hadn’t played all season?

It comes back to the same thing.
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You did not respond to my first two questions, so I will assume that is an acknowledgment that, yes, errors in judgment by coaches are possible. That is, frankly, better than some people on here lately.

I'll ask my third question above another way, since your response was mostly rhetorical questions and a nonresponsive rejoinder. Do you believe it was a mistake by the coaches to keep playing Pope (over Redding) and Wiggins (over Smith) in the second half of the bowl game, notwithstanding their poor performance that game? Yes or no?

EDIT: As an afterthought, I'll point out that Smith saw action in 8 games last year. He was active from the UAB game to the UVA game, missed a few games (likely COVID-related) but was back for Duke and UNC prior to the bowl game. Redding played in 7 games last season, was active from the UAB game through Pitt (he scored a TD against F$U), also missed a few games (likely COVID-related), but was back in time for the regular season finale against UNC. Did they miss games and practice time? Sure. But to say they "had little to no legitimate practice time and hadn't played all season" by 12/27/2020 is false.
 
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I think the issue with Pope and Wiggins getting so much PT last year had much to do with the sentimentality factor of our coaches, and we need to cut that &hit out. Hate to say it, but our guys need to be more cold-blooded like Saban.

If Player A is a lower performer than Player B, but Player A has seniority, comes to practice early, stays late and does all the little things the coaches want their players do -- if Player B somehow still outperforms him on the field, then all this heartfelt &hit for Player A has to go out the door. If Player B is better, you play Player B until Player A proves otherwise on the field that he is better.

Don't really care how much you're privately rooting for Player A to succeed because he is one of your model team members and you think he should be entitled to play because of his hard work, you play the best players until they are no longer the best players.

McCloud may be the guy cutting the grass at Greentree and carrying the Gatorade jugs onto the field before practice. He may even be the guy dragging the drill cones off the field after practice. That's all great, but there was no way he should have been getting significant playing time over Brooks or the other WLBs. Same with Pope and Wiggins. They should have lost their starting jobs by mid-season.

Don't care how much you like a player and want to see him succeed. You play your best players, Manny.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
You did not respond to my first two questions, so I will assume that is an acknowledgment that, yes, errors in judgment by coaches are possible. That is, frankly, better than some people on here lately.

I'll ask my third question above another way, since your response was mostly rhetorical questions and a nonresponsive rejoinder. Do you believe it was a mistake by the coaches to keep playing Pope (over Redding) and Wiggins (over Smith) in the second half of the bowl game, notwithstanding their poor performance that game? Yes or no?
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I think if there was a better option, of course. They were awful.
 
Keyshawn has potential to be the best WR, he's definitely the fastest.

My comparison for him when we signed him was Marqise Lee, if you remember was a 5-star coming out of HS.

I wouldn't crown him as the best right now, I'd say that's between Rambo & Harley based on body of work, but both Key Smith & Mike Redding have a ton of upside & ability to place themselves in the conversation of the best.

It just all comes down to open competition, if they're allowed to take the snaps from Wiggz & Pope they should flourish.
 
The Sphinx said:
I think the issue with Pope and Wiggins getting so much PT last year had much to do with the sentimentality factor of our coaches, and we need to cut that &hit out. Hate to say it, but our guys need to be more cold-blooded like Saban.

If Player A is a lower performer than Player B, but Player A has seniority, comes to practice early, stays late and does all the little things the coaches want their players do -- if Player B somehow still outperforms him on the field, then all this heartfelt &hit for Player A has to go out the door. If Player B is better, you play Player B until Player A proves otherwise on the field that he is better.

Don't really care how much you're privately rooting for Player A to succeed because he is one of your model team members and you think he should be entitled to play because of his hard work, you play the best players until they are no longer the best players.

McCloud may be the guy cutting the grass at Greentree and carrying the Gatorade jugs onto the field before practice. He may even be the guy dragging the drill cones off the field after practice. That's all great, but there was no way he should have been getting significant playing time over Brooks or the other WLBs. Same with Pope and Wiggins. They should have lost their starting jobs by mid-season.

Don't care how much you like a player and want to see him succeed. You play your best players, Manny.
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Why would a coach who never recruited nor ever coached them, have a sentimental attitude towards Wiggins and Pope? If anything, you’d assume that a new coach with zero ties to anyone on the roster would be the last person to play favorites. Yet CIS says Likens plays Pope and Wiggins because he’s somehow tied to them?
 
DTP said:
Why would a coach who never recruited nor ever coached them, have a sentimental attitude towards Wiggins and Pope? If anything, you’d assume that a new coach with zero ties to anyone on the roster would be the last person to play favorites. Yet CIS says Likens plays Pope and Wiggins because he’s somehow tied to them?
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I was specifically referring to McCloud but was wondering aloud if that was the same deal with Pope and Wiggins. No **** reason why McCloud had any business on the field as much as he was. I hear he's a very stand up guy, but he's not any better than Brooks.

Let's see what happens this Fall, because unless Wiggins instantly transforms into Davante Adams no one will be able to convince me why he's playing over Keyshawn Smith or Redding.
 
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Interesting notes on Keyshawn. His dad played in the MLB for two seasons. His HS head coach and offensive coordinator are both former NFL WRs.
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Nah. No one's allowed to have an opinion on Key because he didn't play much last year, so he must stink. Coaches always play the right guys. Greentree All American! Did I miss any other stupid ****?
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I know I am preaching to the choir here, but when the response is "you really think a new coach would show favoritism to kids he just meant with his career on the line," you're dealing with a textbook strawman argument.

The conduct does not need to be a conspiracy or some intentional act of sabotage to be questionable. Coaches are just people, and people make mistakes. Anyone can have a bad day or two, but people who are less competent at their jobs tend to make more mistakes. And the more mistakes a person makes, the more likely it is they just aren't competent. It's that simple.

Even if I was willing to admit there were no other games Smith or Redding should have been getting significant snaps (I'm not), how can anyone defend Pope and Wiggins getting so many snaps in a mostly meaningless bowl game when they looked like the worst pair of starting WRs at UM in at least the last 30 years, Smith and Redding were available, and Pope/Wiggins were not asked to take a seat despite numerous costly drops? It should not be controversial to point out that was a mistake by the coaching staff.
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Exactly. These dummies love that strawman ****, and then the other like minded imbeciles rally around that idiocy. Then it turns into the whole "Do you guys think the coaches are trying to lose games?" line of drooling infantilism. Coaches make mistakes. These dopes think coaches are the only workers in the world who never mess up. They worship them like they're deities.

They fcked up with Smith, and they most definitely fcked up playing Mope and Wimpins so much. Those 2 stiffs were eating 70+ snaps per game. That's absurd.
 
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