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Is it play-calling or concepts/system?....

How fresh and insightful. Good idea to start a new thread on this subject.
 
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TheChosenOne said:
My thing with Richt's play calling is how obvious it is. I wish we would replace some of those unbelievably obvious run calls on 1st down with some bubble throws. Does Richt understand that bubble screens in today's game is considered some what of a running game? Not only that but it spreads the defense out so you can come back to those inside running plays later. Not to mention, we block really well as a WR group. Instead, Richt decides to just run the same stretch run play out of the same formation. We do NOTHING to get the defense on their heels or thinking. We play no mind games which isn't going to produce a high octane offense or even a above average offense in 2018.

I wish Richt would use more under the center power formations like we thought he would when we came to Miami. I want to see more 2016 stuff, more I Formation, play actions from under center, some of that stuff we were doing with Kaaya, etc. Mix up some of these formations when we run the ball. We run the ball out of the same formation every game. We also never do the 'P' in "RPO". I know people don't like Kaaya but he ran this offense the best he just couldn't run and lacked pocket awareness. I'm tried of hearing how our young QBs are taking a while to learn the offense but when I watch this offense it is about as basic as all ****.

You know how Richt can incorporate some motion? He could run the same plays but just come out in a different formation. example: Let's say Richt has a play that is really for a 2x2 formation Richt come set up the formation as a early 3x1 look then motion the WR into a 2x2 look and it would also help see if the defense is in man or zone so the QB knows where to go with the ball.

Wait, does Richt even do check with me? (In case you don't know what check with me means. It kind of system that gives play callers more control of the audible and offense) Example: A coach would call a play but around 16-17 or so on the play clock the offense would check with the sideline to see if they need to audible to something else because of a look they're getting instead of giving all of that responsible to a QB which is a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE, HUGE reason why so many young QBs play now a days.

That's just basic stuff that is done in 2018 and I wish Richt would incorporate these things into his system it would give him more control and make it more easy for the offense especially the QB.

Also Searels ain't it. In case you don't know Searels was the OL coach of that 2014 VT team. Yea, the same VT team we dominated in the trenches with Wefense in blacksburg.
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Chosen, going back to 2016, the under the center stuff didn't seem all that successful(till Linder was replaced at center by Alex Gall - who actually had a nice senior year). IIRC, our best offensive moment seemed to come in shotgun spread like vs Pitt and the last 2.5 quarters of the bowl game vs WVU

I get what Richt's vision is for this offense but till he gets an OLine that's up to snuff, he's attempting to put a square peg into a round hole
 
So u're saying u really dont see him having much success this year with this offense using these concepts then, right?

Otherwise....you'd possibly view it as sanding and priming the hole for square pegs or whatever else.
 
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Loose Cannon said:
Here's why I'm gathering from most of this board.

Camp A: The O-line sucks and until it doesn't the offense will look bad.
Camp B: The O-line isn't that bad and if w called different plays we could scheme around their weaknesses.
Camp C: We'll never have a dominant O-line, so we might as well change the whole system to fit what we have.

My thing is, and it's really why I don't argue schemes/or systems as I believe it is a matter of preference, nobody is asking for a dominant o-line. I don't need guys who flat out dominate their opponent on every play like Bama. I need guards who when asked to pull, actually hit somebody--preferably their assigned defender. I need tackles who know when to block down and when to release to the second level, and guards who can functionally pass off a stunting DT to the tackles and vice versa.

Look at the LSU tape. Our o-line was absolutely dominated, but they weren't dominated physically. We killed ourselves in that game. Our guys either didn't know where they were supposed to be, or were too slow to get there. There were few plays where we just got blown off the ball.

Now, again, I'm not a big fan of one system over the other, but my question to those who are big fans of different schemes is this: How in the **** are you going to run an option behind a line that can't consistently pull off a trap block or too often completely blow their assignments when pull blocking? How in the **** are we going to get JT more touches "in space" with an o-line who's only good for about a 2 second pocket unless he's the first read on every play? And if JT is the first read on every pass, how the **** is that not predictable? How the **** can we run more jet sweeps and bubble screens when our opponents' DE's are consistently 3 yards in our backfield?

It's sad to say, but right now I believe the things we are bad at would kill any system of scheme. I'm not defending Richt's OC abilities or his system, but I'm asking how would the things that are causing us issues now not cause us issues in any system? We struggle to pull of a simple R/O Inside give. We struggle to protect the QB long enough to do much other than chuck it deep on a vert or dump it off short to the check. We can't run RB routes because they have to be kept in pass pro. We are having to ask true freshmen TEs to chip some of the best DEs in the game.

I just don't get how changing the plays fixes what's wrong at this point. I think most fans want to believe that we should be better than we are, and when we're not they need to invent reasons why. We're not playing the best players. Our coaches have an internal bias that rewards upperclassmen over underclassmen--even though they didn't even recruit most of the upperclassmen and hand selected the underclassmen. We're stubborn. Vanilla. Predictable. Why? Because we ran the ball on two consecutive first downs? News flash! 89% of first down plays are runs. Not us. Everybody. Getting 3 yards or more on 1st and 10 is the most important play in football, and the teams that can do it most consistently win championships. Call it old hat football all you want, but the teams that win championships run the football on 1st down.
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Great perspective. Someone who actually understands it isn’t a video game.
 
Gator Hatar said:
I think the very average effectiveness of the offense is combination of all, design, play calling and lack of play diversity. Put simply, by pulling guards/tackles, counter tre, screens and TE traps, trips tight or wide, it keeps the DL from just firing off and looking to see whats happening before committing. IMO the offense is too bland and simple.
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we've done all that going back to last season and Richt has done that in the past, but the talent isn't there to do it with regularity and consistently beat the guy across from you.
 
Sometimes he makes boring calls. He probably will today a few times....but let's not confuse that with a "system" issue.

Just wish the people that are plenty convinced the systems are the issue (on both sides of the ball) so early would commit to this view and stay there.

Some on the defensive side of the ball have now apologized for saying and thinking such....but if we dont do well today,...I'm sure they'll forgive the players and the Special Teams and want Diaz' head on a platter after the game.

People are all over the place and enjoy it.
 
yeah, gratuitous bump - but again, is this just about 'execution'?

I'll say it again, there are MUCH larger systemic issues with this offense and maybe within the program...
 
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Hurracanes said:
Richt is officially the D’Onofrio of our Offense.
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Or the Patrick Nix of offense...

I really do think he is THAT bad and yeah, I think it goes beyond just not having a solid Oline...

What I find ironic and funny are the very same people who were complaining about threads talking about this - are now, well, talking about this. LULZ
 
Richt = Patrick nix, I wanted to believe that his offense could work here but nope. This whole scheme needs to go.
 
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k9cane said:
Or the Patrick Nix of offense...

I really do think he is THAT bad and yeah, I think it goes beyond just not having a solid Oline...

What I find ironic and funny are the very same people who were complaining about threads talking about this - are now, well, talking about this. LULZ
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I got a lot of **** for criticizing CMR for being too predictable, not creative and linear with his Offense. Everyone was blaming Rosier for our limited Offense. It’s painfully obvious our issues on Offwnse are deeper than our QB and OL.
 
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BC was the antithesis of wRecht offense.

They had scripted plays, they had multiple formations and wrinkles. They had excited players knowing there was a plan in place to scheme against Miami strengths and tendencies. They had confidence in their coaches putting together an aggressive timely gameplan.

wRecht brought a plan that was the same as uva, which was the same as any other game this season, which had players who love this program, but in their hearts question why practice just beats the dead horse of execution without providing the relief of creativity.
 
Players are supposed to get better at practice, learning from position coaches. Rick hired a bunch of dolts who aren't preparing the players. We could hire Lincoln Riley at OC and I think this team would look unprepared. Certainly put up more points because better system, but we'd still see the OL playing too high, bad qb play, and bad special teams. At the end of the day, the reality is that Mark Richt isn't very good at running a program.
 
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