Important We Crush App St

[streetja]

If this is truly a ten win team like half the board shockingly thinks, then the defense is what I’m most keeping an eye on.

Couldn’t care less if we hold them to under 20 points if it’s a repeat of CMU two years ago where our opponent beats themselves for us.

The defense needs to:
Hold App St to under 300 yards
Prevent them from crossing midfield in more than half their drives
Avoid 20+ yard plays
Hold them from entering the RZ more than 4 times
Less than 20 points allowed

Miami teams love being able to point to the scoreboard against **** opponents when in reality there are flaws everywhere. Let’s see if we’re capable of a complete performance against a team with a quarter of a pulse

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

You're so right. I learned nothing about the First Amendment in law school.

Plenty of governmental restrictions on all of the rights in the First Amendment. Look it up sometime. As just one example, the "anti-riot" law just passed in Florida is a governmental limit on the Freedom of Assembly. And, yes, it is being challenged on First Amendment grounds, and it may or may not pass muster. And it may eventually be amended to hew closer to the First Amendment. But it's still a limitation on Freedom of Assembly.

In full disclosure, I will provide you with an explanation FROM WIKIPEDIA (certain crybabies on this board are dismissive of Wikipedia quotes), and I do so because the Wikipedia explanation is brief and simplistic. If I thought you could handle a law review article, I would provide that, but this should be enough: "In the United States, some categories of speech are not protected by the First Amendment. According to the Supreme Court of the United States, the U.S. Constitution protects free speech while allowing limitations on certain categories of speech. Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising. Defamation that causes harm to reputation is a tort and also an exception to free speech."

Again, you really don't understand the Constitution or the First Amendment as you claimed you did. Or the meanings of words. The First Amendment prohibits Congress (and government) from abridging the Freedom of Speech. It doesn't matter what YOU THINK IT SAYS, it doesn't say that. Your employer is certainly entitled to restrict your speech. Businesses are certainly entitled to restrict your speech.

The fact that you don't know that is...illuminating...

Lmao seeing as my father in law is a lawyer and history professor at wake forest. Ill take his word for it.

Youre correct. A buisness can.

I sent your post to him. He asked for you to explain how government cant restrict speech has a different definition than just what those words mean.


He said people like to interpret the constitution to fit their narrative but the words are clear as day and mean exactly what they say.

He also asked for you explain how a group of men that just fought a tyrannical government would leave this serious of a document open for interpretation.

 

[DTP]

App State quarterback not only led FBS in interceptions thrown last year, he lead the FBS in lost fumbles too. He’s literally the definition of a QB who folds when pressured.

 

[LoungeLord]

You're so right. I learned nothing about the First Amendment in law school.

Plenty of governmental restrictions on all of the rights in the First Amendment. Look it up sometime. As just one example, the "anti-riot" law just passed in Florida is a governmental limit on the Freedom of Assembly. And, yes, it is being challenged on First Amendment grounds, and it may or may not pass muster. And it may eventually be amended to hew closer to the First Amendment. But it's still a limitation on Freedom of Assembly.

In full disclosure, I will provide you with an explanation FROM WIKIPEDIA (certain crybabies on this board are dismissive of Wikipedia quotes), and I do so because the Wikipedia explanation is brief and simplistic. If I thought you could handle a law review article, I would provide that, but this should be enough: "In the United States, some categories of speech are not protected by the First Amendment. According to the Supreme Court of the United States, the U.S. Constitution protects free speech while allowing limitations on certain categories of speech. Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising. Defamation that causes harm to reputation is a tort and also an exception to free speech."

Again, you really don't understand the Constitution or the First Amendment as you claimed you did. Or the meanings of words. The First Amendment prohibits Congress (and government) from abridging the Freedom of Speech. It doesn't matter what YOU THINK IT SAYS, it doesn't say that. Your employer is certainly entitled to restrict your speech. Businesses are certainly entitled to restrict your speech.

The fact that you don't know that is...illuminating...

So was your entire goal to just point out any slight nuance in the Amendment to state the obvious that it doesn't mean you can say anything (like inciting violence), or did this in any way relate to what he is saying on this board being a violation? Lawyers, you can't live with them, can't kill them.

 

[Allabouttheu95]

If this is truly a ten win team like half the board shockingly thinks, then the defense is what I’m most keeping an eye on.

Couldn’t care less if we hold them to under 20 points if it’s a repeat of CMU two years ago where our opponent beats themselves for us.

The defense needs to:
Hold App St to under 300 yards
Prevent them from crossing midfield in more than half their drives
Avoid 20+ yard plays
Hold them from entering the RZ more than 4 times
Less than 20 points allowed

Miami teams love being able to point to the scoreboard against **** opponents when in reality there are flaws everywhere. Let’s see if we’re capable of a complete performance against a team with a quarter of a pulse

3rd down D is what I have my eye on the most. It’s so strange to me that the Diaz we originally saw had horrendous 3rd down D. Then he made the switch to add the striker and it improved significantly. But it appears we’re back to early tenure Diaz days of 3rd and Diaz. We will see

 

[305to954]

Maybe cause i never said anything about trob. Just maybe

You said “the staff”..Trob is on the staff my boy

 

[JD08]

First amendment.

Are you under the impression that a thread ban for multiple off topic posts would be a violation of your first amendment rights?

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Are you under the impression that a thread ban for multiple off topic posts would be a violation of your first amendment rights?

I said i had no desire to speak politics.


Did you send the same thing to the other poster who said it wasn't talking politics.


If it makes you feel good to ban me then have at it. Its a internet message board.

 

[ericsaid]

App State quarterback not only led FBS in interceptions thrown last year, he lead the FBS in lost fumbles too. He’s literally the definition of a QB who folds when pressured.

He played for Duke. He didn't get to Duke until July of 2020. So no Spring Camp, no summer workouts, a disjointed Fall Camp due to COVID restrictions. He didn't meet his position coach and coordinator until Camp opened. Then you have what Duke has on their team on the offensive line and at receiver. His best receiver was his tight end, and even then, he never had enough time to get the ball out. Then he had 4 weeks of a COVID disrupted camp to absorb, learn, and build chemistry in a David Cutcliffe offense, which by College Football Standards, is fairly difficult on it's own.

He managed to complete 20 of 25 passes against Miami, despite only having 1.5 seconds to throw and being hit on almost every drop back. Last week against ECU he had his best game as a College quarterback. I know that ECU's defense isn't Miami but they are improved over last season. 20-27 for 252 yards and 2 TD's, with multiple long balls on the spot, would be something that Miami fans would appreciate from King regardless of opponent, right?

Chase's situation at Duke was more about COVID and turnover among Duke's existing depth chart than it was about Brice. What you guys are going to see is an offense similar to Louisville, but after watching Louisville the past two years and following what Chase did with Duke and thus far at App since January, I'm fairly certain that Brice is a better pure passer, decision maker, and student of the game than Cunningham is. Cunningham is a great athlete and makes some good throws at times but he has to see the guy open before throwing, whereas Brice is throwing before guys even come out of their breaks.

The only thing really different, talent wise, between App and Louisville was Atwell and Hawkins. App's receivers outside of the Hawkins type are better than Louisville's based on what I've seen, and have been playing in this offense for five or six year (Super Seniors). Nate Noel is going to be your Hawkins comparison, and I believe that they both come from Northwestern High School so that would make sense. Hawkins may be a touch faster but Noel runs with a bit more power and lower pad level for his size.

Obviously Miami beat Louisville last year. Much of that, from what I could tell, was busted plays (see throw to an unaccounted for running back in the third quarter). But Louisville managed to have success on offense in the second half. Now App State has Frank Ponce who helped game plan and give Scott Satterfield plays to call, but he has a more balanced offense to work with, four running backs, and a better QB. We will see what comes of it.

Moral of the story is that if you're discounting Brice because of what happened at Duke, you don't understand football, and you certainly overestimate Duke, who just lost to Charlotte.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

You said “the staff”..Trob is on the staff my boy

Youre correct i did.

If yall have to look for small positives then i stand by my original post.


I dont accept mediocrity. Sorry.

 

[JD08]

I said i had no desire to speak politics.


Did you send the same thing to the other poster who said it wasn't talking politics.


If it makes you feel good to ban me then have at it. Its a internet message board.

Exactly, so now we can stop debating whether you have right to say something.

We can get back to discussing the abuse we need to pike on App State and every other opponent this year. We need to play like we're making up for that Bama game.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Exactly, so now we can stop debating whether you have right to say something.

We can get back to discussing the abuse we need to pike on App State and every other opponent this year. We need to play like we're making up for that Bama game.

No problem.


I hope thats what happens.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Lmao seeing as my father in law is a lawyer and history professor at wake forest. Ill take his word for it.

Youre correct. A buisness can.

I sent your post to him. He asked for you to explain how government cant restrict speech has a different definition than just what those words mean.


He said people like to interpret the constitution to fit their narrative but the words are clear as day and mean exactly what they say.

He also asked for you explain how a group of men that just fought a tyrannical government would leave this serious of a document open for interpretation.

Oh lord, now you're getting your daddy to fight your fights.

I don't give a **** about your silly nonsense. The Founding Fathers are long dead, but they understood that there are exceptions to every rule. And Congress and the Supreme Court have recognized that for centuries.

Never, not once, have I talked about my "interpretation" of The Constitution. I have cited numerous actual limitations on the First Amendment that have arisen from US and/or state congressional action, and from caselaw.

But if your daddy wants to deny the reality of what exists in this country, he is free to do so. Please ask HIM to explain how Congress (and state legislatures) have passed laws restricting speech on straightforward issues like intellectual property and commercial claims. ****, I wrote a law review paper on the Florida rules that restrict the advertising claims that lawyers make (and there is a well-known poster on this board who litigated such a case that went to the Florida Supreme Court).

Again, you are entitled to your opinions, however incorrect they may be. But you can't sit here and deny that there are, in fact, many legislative and judicial limitations on each and every one of the rights in the First Amendment. That's not "interpretation", that's facts.

And, to bring this around to where we started, you have now acknowledged that a business can limit your freedom of speech. Thus, your original citation of the First Amendment as some sort of blanket protection for you to say whatever you want on this board is, as expected, not true.

 

[305to954]

Exactly, so now we can stop debating whether you have right to say something.

We can get back to discussing the abuse we need to pike on App State and every other opponent this year. We need to play like we're making up for that Bama game.

These aren’t the 2001 canes..we need to win games like we’re supposed and play well..wherever that leads to in the final score of the games is a mute point. Get the run game going, solidify the right side of the oline and do better on 3rd down defense getting off the field..and I expect all that to happen this Saturday. If that means a 41-20 game..so be it

 

[TheOriginalCane]

So was your entire goal to just point out any slight nuance in the Amendment to state the obvious that it doesn't mean you can say anything (like inciting violence), or did this in any way relate to what he is saying on this board being a violation? Lawyers, you can't live with them, can't kill them.

Again, you misread what I wrote, and you continue to misstate me.

I never said that that anything he wrote was a violation of the First Amendment. This is why I laughed at your ignorance.

When HE cited the First Amendment as HIS protection for his misguided notion that he could say anything he wanted, I merely pointed out that the First Amendment does not say what he thinks it says.

But carry on with your desperate attempts to mangle what I said and invent drama where there was none.

I've tried to respond to your nonsense in a minimal fashion, but I'm done with you now, it's time to get back to Appalachian State.

 

[ericsaid]

Ah, yes, the transitive property of college football. Team A beat Team B who beat Team C. Always fun to deal with that logic.

And computer models rule and UCF won a National Championship. On and on it goes.

I don't think many people are saying it will be "easy". Instead, we have been talking about Miami's NEED to run up a big win to rebuild momentum on our season and distance ourselves from the bad taste of Alabama.

If you think that "it would seem the teams are even", that's your choice.

Obviously the transitive property doesn't work. Football is a game of match-ups. You all could go beat Ole Miss, and I'd honestly like to see that game because I think you match up well, and then Ole Miss might take Alabama to OT, yet you guys get blown out by Alabama. You don't match-up well with Alabama which is fine.

App may not, and probably doesn't, match-up well with Miami. There is a reason that Miami was able to beat App in 2016 like no other team has before, or since, since moving to FBS. ****, Clemson beat App 41-10 in 2015 and won the National Championship. Georgia only beat App 31-10 in 2017 and ended up going to the National Championship. App managed to move the ball against what ended up being a historically good Georgia defense that day but just didn't have the receivers or quarterback to push the ball consistently. That isn't an issue now.

It would seem that App matches up decently with teams that lack a true dual threat QB since both USC and UNC clearly didn't have guys who were a threat to run. However in the Penn State game they had Miles Sanders, KJ Hamler, and Trace McSorley and App should've won that game after holding a lead with under a minute left. But we gave them a short field with less than a minute after Hamler returned his first kick-off of the game and guys got lazy.

So as far as match-ups go, I know App is better on offense now than in 2016, across the board. On defense we have more depth and higher quality players as well, though our corners are still small. I expect Lashlee will do like he did to Louisville, which Richt did to App, and throw pass after pass to the perimeter, use TE's to block out wide, and then attack the middle. I don't really know how you stop that when your corners are 5-10 190 lbs but run 4.3's. So I expect Miami has some match-up advantages and acknolwedge that they most likely win the game.

I'm also not sure that it's paramount that you all win big here. App is a respected program by most who know college football. I'm not talking about the Walmart fan, ESPN watching fan type who only know what they are told. But I am telling you that App will most likely be a tougher out than Michigan State. It will probably be similar to when y'all play Louisville, which obviously hasn't turned out well for them lately, but they run nearly the same defense and a variation of the exact same offense. Louisville's offense was designed by Satterfield, Ponce, and our coach Shawn Clarke.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Oh lord, now you're getting your daddy to fight your fights.

I don't give a **** about your silly nonsense. The Founding Fathers are long dead, but they understood that there are exceptions to every rule. And Congress and the Supreme Court have recognized that for centuries.

Never, not once, have I talked about my "interpretation" of The Constitution. I have cited numerous actual limitations on the First Amendment that have arisen from US and/or state congressional action, and from caselaw.

But if your daddy wants to deny the reality of what exists in this country, he is free to do so. Please ask HIM to explain how Congress (and state legislatures) have passed laws restricting speech on straightforward issues like intellectual property and commercial claims. ****, I wrote a law review paper on the Florida rules that restrict the advertising claims that lawyers make (and there is a well-known poster on this board who litigated such a case that went to the Florida Supreme Court).

Again, you are entitled to your opinions, however incorrect they may be. But you can't sit here and deny that there are, in fact, many legislative and judicial limitations on each and every one of the rights in the First Amendment. That's not "interpretation", that's facts.

And, to bring this around to where we started, you have now acknowledged that a business can limit your freedom of speech. Thus, your original citation of the First Amendment as some sort of blanket protection for you to say whatever you want on this board is, as expected, not true.

Not speaking politics

 

[3GC]

We're not going to blow out App state. I think we'll win, but they are a very tough, physical, disciplined football team. They can hang in with most anyone, including us. Would love to see us blow them out but I highly doubt it happens this year.

As Al Davis said...

 

[DTP]

He played for Duke. He didn't get to Duke until July of 2020. So no Spring Camp, no summer workouts, a disjointed Fall Camp due to COVID restrictions. He didn't meet his position coach and coordinator until Camp opened. Then you have what Duke has on their team on the offensive line and at receiver. His best receiver was his tight end, and even then, he never had enough time to get the ball out. Then he had 4 weeks of a COVID disrupted camp to absorb, learn, and build chemistry in a David Cutcliffe offense, which by College Football Standards, is fairly difficult on it's own.

He managed to complete 20 of 25 passes against Miami, despite only having 1.5 seconds to throw and being hit on almost every drop back. Last week against ECU he had his best game as a College quarterback. I know that ECU's defense isn't Miami but they are improved over last season. 20-27 for 252 yards and 2 TD's, with multiple long balls on the spot, would be something that Miami fans would appreciate from King regardless of opponent, right?

Chase's situation at Duke was more about COVID and turnover among Duke's existing depth chart than it was about Brice. What you guys are going to see is an offense similar to Louisville, but after watching Louisville the past two years and following what Chase did with Duke and thus far at App since January, I'm fairly certain that Brice is a better pure passer, decision maker, and student of the game than Cunningham is. Cunningham is a great athlete and makes some good throws at times but he has to see the guy open before throwing, whereas Brice is throwing before guys even come out of their breaks.

The only thing really different, talent wise, between App and Louisville was Atwell and Hawkins. App's receivers outside of the Hawkins type are better than Louisville's based on what I've seen, and have been playing in this offense for five or six year (Super Seniors). Nate Noel is going to be your Hawkins comparison, and I believe that they both come from Northwestern High School so that would make sense. Hawkins may be a touch faster but Noel runs with a bit more power and lower pad level for his size.

Obviously Miami beat Louisville last year. Much of that, from what I could tell, was busted plays (see throw to an unaccounted for running back in the third quarter). But Louisville managed to have success on offense in the second half. Now App State has Frank Ponce who helped game plan and give Scott Satterfield plays to call, but he has a more balanced offense to work with, four running backs, and a better QB. We will see what comes of it.

Moral of the story is that if you're discounting Brice because of what happened at Duke, you don't understand football, and you certainly overestimate Duke, who just lost to Charlotte.

He was 20-25 for 94 yards against Miami. Dude is a turnover machine. 21 turnovers in 11 games. He’s good for at least a pick and a fumble tomorrow

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Obviously the transitive property doesn't work. Football is a game of match-ups. You all could go beat Ole Miss, and I'd honestly like to see that game because I think you match up well, and then Ole Miss might take Alabama to OT, yet you guys get blown out by Alabama. You don't match-up well with Alabama which is fine.

App may not, and probably doesn't, match-up well with Miami. There is a reason that Miami was able to beat App in 2016 like no other team has before, or since, since moving to FBS. ****, Clemson beat App 41-10 in 2015 and won the National Championship. Georgia only beat App 31-10 in 2017 and ended up going to the National Championship. App managed to move the ball against what ended up being a historically good Georgia defense that day but just didn't have the receivers or quarterback to push the ball consistently. That isn't an issue now.

It would seem that App matches up decently with teams that lack a true dual threat QB since both USC and UNC clearly didn't have guys who were a threat to run. However in the Penn State game they had Miles Sanders, KJ Hamler, and Trace McSorley and App should've won that game after holding a lead with under a minute left. But we gave them a short field with less than a minute after Hamler returned his first kick-off of the game and guys got lazy.

So as far as match-ups go, I know App is better on offense now than in 2016, across the board. On defense we have more depth and higher quality players as well, though our corners are still small. I expect Lashlee will do like he did to Louisville, which Richt did to App, and throw pass after pass to the perimeter, use TE's to block out wide, and then attack the middle. I don't really know how you stop that when your corners are 5-10 190 lbs but run 4.3's. So I expect Miami has some match-up advantages and acknolwedge that they most likely win the game.

I'm also not sure that it's paramount that you all win big here. App is a respected program by most who know college football. I'm not talking about the Walmart fan, ESPN watching fan type who only know what they are told. But I am telling you that App will most likely be a tougher out than Michigan State. It will probably be similar to when y'all play Louisville, which obviously hasn't turned out well for them lately, but they run nearly the same defense and a variation of the exact same offense. Louisville's offense was designed by Satterfield, Ponce, and our coach Shawn Clarke.

I'll make this simple, there has been an over-focus on point spread. I don't care about that.

We need for our offense to run (and execute) all of the plays in our playbook in a way that gives everyone familiarity and confidence. And we need our defense to rediscover the ability to tackle. The last two years have been a wacky mixture of Covid and rescheduling and limited repetitions that have been challenging to having a new OC and a (somewhat) different DC. None of those things are excuses, they are just an indication of what WE need to do.

And, given that many of our recent wins have been by narrow margins, it is not about impressing the pollsters, it is about giving our backups some experience. Our current second-string QB barely played at all last year, and when D'Eriq King got hurt last year, the guy who played in the bowl game was leaving us after the game to transfer elsewhere.

Too much of the macho posturing impacts this discussion of "margin of victory". Miami needs to play efficiently, and if we do what WE are capable of doing, we should have enough of a lead to let the backups play a bit. Like it or not, Appalachian State is the second least important game on our schedule, since we will likely need to go undefeated in the ACC and the Michigan State game is higher profile. No disrespect is intended to your program, we just need to win and win well. That is all.