How good is Akheem Mesidor?

[CaneTheGaytors]

Miami should've been ranked 9 instead of Bama. That kind of got lost in the whole Miami/ND debate but we were all just happy to make it in (whoch obviously makes sense).

But Bama's side is significantly easier imo.

I agree. But as the saying goes, “to be the best, you’ve got to beat the best.”

 

[DTP]

Can someone explain why “age” is a factor? Why do teams worry about a guy being too old when nobody stays on one team for more than a few years? Oh, he might not be as productive in his 10th season as a guy who’s two years younger? Who gives a ****. You’re not signing him to a 14 year contract

 

[JHallCanes]

Blount is a factor on the play also. It’s just a RB but he bullies 22 back into Reed playing a factor in him having to shuffle to his left and late on the throw.

IT WAS A STUNT TO PERFECTION

Blount is going to be a terror next year. Book it.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Can someone explain why “age” is a factor? Why do teams worry about a guy being too old when nobody stays on one team for more than a few years? Oh, he might not be as productive in his 10th season as a guy who’s two years younger? Who gives a ****. You’re not signing him to a 14 year contract

At Mesidor's age, he'll be 30 when his first contract is up. Age 29 for this 5th year option. Not ideal for a R1 pick. It happens, but not often. Thats more of a R2 or R3 if they are a stud. Inuries and medical bill of health also important. Players like Myles Jack went later than anticipated because they felt his knee would be dust during his second contract...and it indeed turned into dust.

 

[canecrazy23]

West Virginia had him playing NT. He used to play 0-tech in their 3-3-5.

So much of a players visibility comes down to how they're used. Mesidor was excellent in this game. Gets upfield too much at times and loses gap contain, but he makes up for it in so many other ways.

When I reviewed this game it actually upset me that Cashius Howell was 1st team AA and neither of Miami guys were. Both are far better college players.

@Lance Roffers How do you think our Tackles did against their Dline?

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

 

[Sabetta]

 

[Hegemon]

Can someone explain why “age” is a factor? Why do teams worry about a guy being too old when nobody stays on one team for more than a few years? Oh, he might not be as productive in his 10th season as a guy who’s two years younger? Who gives a ****. You’re not signing him to a 14 year contract

Wear and tear

You want a virgin wife or a pornstar run through by 1k+?

 

[grover]

Did anyone else just see that breakdown on ESPN a minute ago during the Western KY - Southern Miss halftime show about Mesidor and Bain? They showed how on one of Bain's sacks, Mesidor had his right foot planted in a way that enabled his left foot to go around the LT and step THREE YARDS in a single step. When he did this, he forced the QB to move up and then run backwards. Bain then made a great play off of his man and got the sack. It was an excellent breakdown and really showed their skills and teamwork.

If I see video of it on twitter or something, I will post it.

Iron sharpens iron. Those guys and our NFL-level OL are going at it every single day making each other better. Mario may take it too far with his bro-ball tendencies. But I absolutely love being the team that wins and often dominates in the trenches.

 

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

At Mesidor's age, he'll be 30 when his first contract is up. Age 29 for this 5th year option. Not ideal for a R1 pick. It happens, but not often. Thats more of a R2 or R3 if they are a stud. Inuries and medical bill of health also important. Players like Myles Jack went later than anticipated because they felt his knee would be dust during his second contract...and it indeed turned into dust.

But who says you have to resign him at that point? You'd be getting a guy for what should be his best years on a rookie contract. They're overthinking this like it's the NBA and you're investing in someone longterm. People say NFL stands for "Not For Long" for a reason. Get those good 4 or 5 years for cheap, then move on.

 

[DTP]

Wear and tear

You want a virgin wife or a pornstar run through by 1k+?

Weird comparison.

It’s a football player who is likely not going to play for your organization for more than 5 years. All things being equal, of course the younger guy is the move but I’m not passing on a quality player just because he’s going to be past his prime by the time he’s looking for a second contract. If anything that makes the decision to re-sign or not even easier.

 

[Hegemon]

Weird comparison.

It’s a football player who is likely not going to play for your organization for more than 5 years. All things being equal, of course the younger guy is the move but I’m not passing on a quality player just because he’s going to be past his prime by the time he’s looking for a second contract. If anything that makes the decision to re-sign or not even easier.

Not weird at all

More like common sense

The average career is 3.4 years in the NFL and he's older than most. Wear and tear.

 

[flips]

But who says you have to resign him at that point? You'd be getting a guy for what should be his best years on a rookie contract. They're overthinking this like it's the NBA and you're investing in someone longterm. People say NFL stands for "Not For Long" for a reason. Get those good 4 or 5 years for cheap, then move on.

I wonder if gets drafted late first round? Teams have the option to extend 1st round picks for a fifth year, and then if he's really good they could just franchise tag him for a year or two, no? A team could get him for his age 25-32 prime years without ever having to sign him to a massive second contract.

 

[twes.305]

Mesidor is good. He has the size, quickness, change of direction to play at the next level. Probably a rd 2 or 3 pick. Bain is definitely too big for his size at DE for the next level. U can tell by his change of direction and how much thicker he is compared to Mesidor, pause. Still a beast though, but I can guarantee he moves inside in the NFL.

 

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

I wonder if gets drafted late first round? Teams have the option to extend 1st round picks for a fifth year, and then if he's really good they could just franchise tag him for a year or two, no? A team could get him for his age 25-32 prime years without ever having to sign him to a massive second contract.

That, to me, is exactly the type of team that should be looking at. Teams in the top half need to worry about building long term. Teams near the bottom are just looking to fill holes on the cheap to win now with guys ready to contribute right away.

 

[Lance Roffers]

@Lance Roffers How do you think our Tackles did against their Dline?

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

I wrote up an Upon Further Review that I'll post tomorrow. They were really good.

Blount, Scott, Moten, all of them played well up front. Few times Moten got out of his gap (especially early) but overall he played well.

Blount influenced the first interception. Last one he and Mesidor stunted and Blount looped inside while Mesidor split a double as the blockers didn't hold tight enough after the loop.

 

[Lance Roffers]

Can someone explain why “age” is a factor? Why do teams worry about a guy being too old when nobody stays on one team for more than a few years? Oh, he might not be as productive in his 10th season as a guy who’s two years younger? Who gives a ****. You’re not signing him to a 14 year contract

It's a huge indicator. If you're 19 and performing and testing well, teams project you to continue to get better. Potential that all teams want. Your testing has room to improve, skill, technique, strength. All of it.

At 25, you're a finished product and are beating up on players 19-22 for the most part.

In my analytics grad program I did a study on age and the draft and overall I found a clear and consistent signal between age and Approximate Value for each position. It was almost universally linear that the younger the player, the better they were compared to their cohort (think of it like a bucket of similar players. I'm not comparing a 7th round DT to a top-10 pick).

This sample was over two decades of players and was pretty much for all aged 20-25 players. Younger = Better.

Especially when you smoothed it to show value of each pick as the draft went along. You smooth the value of picks to avoid saying a 6th round pick at the spot Tom Brady was picked is worth more than a 2nd round pick etc.

I still have that study somewhere and could share the raw pivot results. I don't think I have the paper itself (I didn't go for publishing), but I definitely still have the raw.

 

[pubmedu]

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article313195480.html

 

[Golsen82]

I had a class with him. You should have have seen him trying to squeeze into one of those old school high school-style desk chairs with the little table attached to it.

You went to boynton high? Side note, his dad played football around same time as my dad at lake worth hs, years later my dad ran into them at the boynton mall when Vince was 8 years old. Big Vince easily one of my favorite players all time

 

[OldhamA]

Mesidor is good. He has the size, quickness, change of direction to play at the next level. Probably a rd 2 or 3 pick. Bain is definitely too big for his size at DE for the next level. U can tell by his change of direction and how much thicker he is compared to Mesidor, pause. Still a beast though, but I can guarantee he moves inside in the NFL.

I want Bain as a 3-4 DE on the Panthers. I think paired with Brown he'd murder teams.

 

[caneingville]

You went to boynton high? Side note, his dad played football around same time as my dad at lake worth hs, years later my dad ran into them at the boynton mall when Vince was 8 years old. Big Vince easily one of my favorite players all time

No, I’m talking about at UM. I had classes with some players and then also knew others from the dorms too.

That’s very cool though. I would love to see pics of Vince when he was a kid. Bet he was adorable.