Honest question...

My point is a fairly simple one. If Rick is garbage, as most fans have decided after Perry flamed out, then don’t you also think Malik would be better with a better OC? Or does that only apply to Perry? You say we know what we have with Malik, but we only know Malik with Rick as the OC.

And, finally, if Rick is the disaster everyone thinks he is as an OC, and Junior is so incompetent, then why should we think anything will change no matter who goes in at QB?

Malik can't throw a football for ****, Lincoln Riley could be his OC and he would suck ***
 
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Completely disagree. We don't have time for "on the job training" with the team we have. If he wanted to do that then he should have started Perry from day 1. Now we are in a fight for the Coastal and there is zero room for error. Perry doesn't have enough experience to pull off 5 straight wins.

We do have time for the on the job training bc that's what cfb is all about or get out of the business of coaching amateur athletes. OJT is going on across the country. Tua & Trevor Lawrence are essentially on the job training right now...guess what both have? BETTER COACHING & development.

Perry has the ability to pull off 5 str8 wins...we just don't have the offensive coaching staff to do it.
 
Allison and Sherrifs both bailed when we had Rosier, Allison, Sherrifs and then Perry on board. He now has Jarren Williams too. Not sure you can blame Richt in year 3 for the QB situation.

Allison left because they believed Richt wanted a dual threat QB and he is a traditional pocket passer.
 
Allison and Sherrifs both bailed when we had Rosier, Allison, Sherrifs and then Perry on board. He now has Jarren Williams too. Not sure you can blame Richt in year 3 for the QB situation.

Allison left because they believed Richt wanted a dual threat QB and he is a traditional pocket passer.

You can't blame him? Who else responsibility was it then?

Allison should've never left here...
 
You can't blame him? Who else responsibility was it then?

Allison should've never left here...

Allison thought he was going to be QB1 after Kaaya without proving anything and Richt wants a QB who can also run. He was nowhere near ready and add in he wasn't a runner, he had no shot. When he saw Perry sign the dotted line, he bolted because the writing was on the wall. You want Richt to build something, then let him do it.
 
I think a lot of people gave Richt a pass last season because everybody knows that the offense is handcuffed with Rosier. He's limited as a passer and even as a runner. When you have to chop your route tree in half because your quarterback is only capable of making some of those throws (and even those are ugly) you're in for a struggle no matter what type of offense you run or plays you call. Anybody who knows football can see that he drastically changed his offense for Rosier as compared to Kaaya the previous season. I actually thought he did a pretty good job of masking a severe deficiency at quarterback. It's just that everything looked disjointed and awkward, even during the 10-0 start on offense. The big play was the saving grace and the offense could not run the ball consistently nor convert on third down.

Enter Perry during the FIU game: The offense looks smooth, 3rd downs actually get converted. Receivers who normally get ignored by Rosier start making plays. The MIDDLE OF THE FIELD ACTUALLY GETS ATTACKED. The touch and arm talent going from Rosier to Perry is not even comparable. The running game actually opens up and we're getting positive yardage consistently and not getting stuck in 3rd and long. I know FIU is garbage but we've all seen the offense struggle against garbage teams with Rosier under center. There was a throw or two that maybe weren't the right call but everyone knew that we'd see some of that with a redshirt freshman QB. Most people would gladly accept the risk of a turnover if it meant the offense would actually be effective again.

Perry starts next week against UNC. Everyone remembers all the defensive touchdowns but the offense was actually very sharp, racking up almost 300 yards in the first half. The second half is where things start to get a little strange. Perry commits a couple of 3rd quarter turnovers (fumble and a pick) and Richt goes straight into hyper conservative mode. Which, with a huge lead is understandable. I didn't pay much attention at the time but this was the first sign that Rich wasn't fully comfortable with Perry.

Perry gets the start against FSU and immediately it's obvious Miami's O-line can't handle FSU's front. Richt does him no favors with play calling. FSU is pinning their ears back on every down but he calls no screens, misdirections or designed QB runs. All things that hurt aggressive fronts (we see opponents use them against us all the time). Perry has a couple of poor throws and a few good throws that got dropped. Generally he made the right decision on his throws against FSU, he just missed guys. In the second half, the defense gifts the offense two turnovers in FSU territory and Perry makes them pay turning them both into touchdowns. (another thing that didn't happen enough with Rosier). He later leads two crucial drives in the fourth quarter. One for the go ahead score (a perfect pass) and the other to run the clock out essentially putting his foot on FSU's throat. He had his first career sub 50% passing game (mind you Miami dropped at least 5 passes) but he made up for it with 4 TDs and 0 ints. He looked confident leading the offense and really didn't make any bonehead throws into tight coverage. Which convinces me he's getting a better grasp of the offense and has dialed back some over-aggressive tendencies. Richt is still calling a pretty vanilla offense even though Perry has shown an ability to hit passes Rosier can't dream of completing. Leads me to believe he's still not 100% comfortable and would prefer to keep things close to the vest. None of us know how well or how bad the Qbs are practicing but I'm inclined to believe that at least Perry is still sloppy with the ball in practice and forcing things too much. Even if he didn't show it against FSU.

Virginia. Everything falls apart. Line can't block (again) Perry throws two bad picks. One gets blamed on Harley but it's obvious Virginia is just goading Perry into throwing into coverage and he's taking the bait. The defense is doing everything possible to keep them in the game but the picks keep setting up Virginia with excellent field position (we've seen this a lot this year between turnovers and poor special teams). Richt makes the switch to Rosier and the offense looks exactly like it did last year with Rosier. Awkward, clunky, ineffective. Late in the game, the offense gets things rolling with Virginia playing soft coverage but for some reason Richt and Rosier are on cruise control despite needing two scores. Your fifth year senior can't run an actual hurry up offense? They score but take way too long to do it and we know how the rest of the game goes.

Now Richt knows his defense is going to keep him in almost every game so he makes the typical coach decision and goes with the guy he feels won't turn the ball over as much and set up opposing offenses for easy scores. Even if it means putting handcuffs back on the offense. The thing is he doesn't trust Rosier physically and he doesn't trust Perry mentally. It's on him and his staff though. It's you and your son's job to have the QBs ready to play. If they're not learning or progressing enough, you're not doing your job. It's also on the offensive line and coach Searles. When the O-line looks as pathetic as it has against good teams, you're going to struggle no matter who is under center. They don't have to dominate but they can't suck. And they do suck. This is a three headed monster of 1. untalented/irresponsible QBs 2. A rigid and uncreative offense that isn't adapting to the players available and 3. An offensive line that handicaps the entire offense. The head coach has to be held responsible because ultimately it's on him to have a line that plays up to par, QBs who are capable of actually running an offense and an offense that doesn't look boring and predictable because the person calling the plays is scared.
 
Who says he's a competent coach when Malik plays? Malik is a below average qb and Richt is a below average play caller. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

I get that people here try to recreate history but has everyone forgot how stuck in the mud the offense was with Kaaya the first 7.5 games of the season? He studied the playbook. He could read defenses, however that offense was trash against FSU, UNC, VT, and the first half against a terrible ND team. You don't remember Lu breaking down film and salivating about our TE going against FSU's garbage Lbers and S over the middle of the field where they were weakest, only to be disappointed that we didn't try that at all. We literally had dudes with knowledge of the offense tell you Richt changed his philosophy/playcalling the second half of the ND game and that's the only thing that saved the offense and the season from being a disaster.

Most intelligent posters have maintained from the beginning that Richt offense playcaller is a major problem. Three years, three different QBs and offense is still a big problem. We still don't attack the middle of the field with any regularity. We don't get playmakers in space. That doesn't mean Rosier isn't also a bad qb. We literally have a dude on this site who breaks down film of the QBs but I guess he's just biased and against Malik also lmao.


Lmao I saw that on Twitter. Those vids are total reaches. The down and distance are diff. The WRs themselves are diff and the threat each bring to the DBS for obvious reason. And last they are not the same route. Ones a speed out. The other is a deep 12to 10 comeback on 3rd in 9 that the dB was squatting on
 
Allison thought he was going to be QB1 after Kaaya without proving anything and Richt wants a QB who can also run. He was nowhere near ready and add in he wasn't a runner, he had no shot. When he saw Perry sign the dotted line, he bolted because the writing was on the wall. You want Richt to build something, then let him do it.

No he didn't..Allison didn't think that at all. That kid knew he had to compete bc he's done it his entire life.

He left bc of the offensive system Richt told him he would be running would not fit his skill set and it's an offensive system that we still haven't seen yet = lol

I'm sure he's looking at this offense from WVU like "did he really think I couldn't run that BS"

Richt isn't building anything...he's had 18 years as a HC to do so. Let's be for real now.
 
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Allison and Sherrifs both bailed when we had Rosier, Allison, Sherrifs and then Perry on board. He now has Jarren Williams too. Not sure you can blame Richt in year 3 for the QB situation.

Allison left because they believed Richt wanted a dual threat QB and he is a traditional pocket passer.
Can't blame Richt for the QB situation in yr 3??....Why??....You can't be serious...
 
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?

Speaking for myself, I simply hoped Perry's better skill set would translate into making Richt's play calling look a little better. Malik is average, that is just fact...but Richt's play calling made him look that much worse.
 
It's simple for me. I've never said Malik as the sole reason this offense sucked because I saw beyond him and know the offensive play calling was trash. Malik is trash as evidenced by his horrendous accuracy (7 games of 50% completions or less) now combine that with a simplistic passing offense that hardly features motions, shifts, or 21 century design and the easiest running scheme to stop...it looks even worse with inaccurate mess like Malik at QB.

The command Perry has with his ball and his accuracy in the exact same offense is light years above Malik and I am able to see someone with his talent can be in the same offense. The offense still sucks and the play calling is trash (see FSU game).

The common denominator is Richt, his son and this offense regarding both QB's.

How about this stat: The best game Malik has had against a power 5 opponent from an accuracy standpoint (69%) is Duke in 2015 and he has never come close to this against any other Power 5 opponent. Totally different OC and play caller in 2015.
Can a QB be more accurate in a better offensive system that doesn’t rely so much on long slow-developing verts?
 
Maybe it's just me, between plays Perry looks lost, like he doesn't know or isn't comfortable yet in this offense. I also don't feel he is a real running threat, he doesn't have enough meat on his bones and can't break tackles. I'm not saying he's bad, just saying I don't think he is our future. Rosier on the other hand looks like he knows the offense, but is just an average at best talent who can't execute. He is not UM caliber. After seeing Perry, I think our chances would be better with Williams or Weldon, but the latter can't stay out of trouble. So why not take a chance on Williams, he is the most talented. It would help all of them if we had a decent OL and OC, we really wasted a very good defense this year.
 
Completely disagree. We don't have time for "on the job training" with the team we have. If he wanted to do that then he should have started Perry from day 1. Now we are in a fight for the Coastal and there is zero room for error. Perry doesn't have enough experience to pull off 5 straight wins.
So you would rather go with a kid that you know you can’t win the ACC with?

I’m confused. Even “on the job training” with Perry isn’t markedly worse than the safe bet with Rosier, and it could end up being a **** of a lot better

Rosier is the same kid who said he didn’t give a **** about the Pitt game last year. That’s the experience and leadership you want? And the abysmal performance in thise crucial games (and LSU this year)
 
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?
Malik is not very talented and it shows. Perry IS very talented and it shows. Richt has had 1 full season, 1 spring camp, and 2 fall camps to get a talented QB ready to play, and failed.

Now let's look at the play calling and offensive scheme. We have just gone through 3 weeks of the season where it appeared as tho we did the exact same things against all 3 opponents. There was no game planning to exploit our opponents weaknesses, there was no game planning to mask our own weaknesses, and there was no game planning to create mismatches.
 
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No he didn't..Allison didn't think that at all. That kid knew he had to compete bc he's done it his entire life.

He left bc of the offensive system Richt told him he would be running would not fit his skill set and it's an offensive system that we still haven't seen yet = lol

I'm sure he's looking at this offense from WVU like "did he really think I couldn't run that BS"

Richt isn't building anything...he's had 18 years as a HC to do so. Let's be for real now.
Told Perry we'd be running the Fast Break. lol
 
Can a QB be more accurate in a better offensive system that doesn’t rely so much on long slow-developing verts?

The system does not make a QB more accurate...that only comes from development but there are limits.

But a system can be tailored to a QB's strengths. Rosier is not going to improve to any point where is he can function as a throw first QB.

Perry can flourish in a better system where he does not have to look down field too often early in his career.
 
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