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Honest question...

The Franchise said:
They have a very similar completion percentage this year. Yes Perry looks prettier throwing for 50%, but I’m just wondering why two QBs struggling under the same exact coach get treated so incredibly differently.

When Malik fails it’s all his fault; when Perry fails it’s all Rick’s fault.
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You brought up some great points. Perry's picks last week were atrocious. We assumed it was poor playcalling (setting 3rd and long and putting us in an obvious deep passing situation), but it may have been poor audibles and reads by Perry. The problem with Rosier is we have seen how his poor passing accuracy costs us. If he had any deep ball ability, we would have beaten Pitt last year. He just needed to let the receivers run under the ball and we win that game handily. Then Clemson followed Pitt's lead and forced Rosier to win via longer throws. No chance. Then he killed us in Wisconsin. His pick in the third quarter on the screen was as bad as I have seen.

It appears that Perry isn't mature enough to play at this level yet. I think he has the tools, but that is only part of the QB game. I would just like to see Richt use more dunk passes which work well for Rosier and Perry. It opens the deeper stuff up. Of course, I don't know if Rosier can ever hit the longer stuff.
 
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NE Canes said:
The system does not make a QB more accurate...that only comes from development but there are limits.

But a system can be tailored to a QB's strengths. Rosier is not going to improve to any point where is he can function as a throw first QB.

Perry can flourish in a better system where he does not have to look down field too often early in his career.
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You would think a 4 million dollar a year coach knows this
 
Richt has had 3 years to recruit a competent QB, it’s on him, Rosier can not do something that he just doesn’t have the ability to do.
 
It's as plain as day that Rosier just doesn't have the same talent or instincts that Perry has.

A lot of the blame falls on Richt, for not playing to the teams strength. Clearly Rosier has a problem with his accuracy and timing.
Richt doesn't adjust the game plan to cover up Rosier's deficiencies instead he has him throwing vertical most of the time. He also doesn't allow the QB's to get into a Rhythm and give them some easy throws to start off with.

As for Perry, it seems as though he can't read a Defense. You've got to give the kid some Leeway with his first start being against FSU, although he was under 50% completion he did throw 4 TD's & 0 INT's and led the comeback. But FSU's Defense wasn't as Complex as UVa.
Perry was definitely in over his head with UVa's D, they confused him and he threw 2 quick picks (1 can be blamed on Harley for not trying to break up the INT, but the other Perry threw into double coverage). It's not only what he does on the field, but OFF it as well. He's got to stop with Twitter, & Instagram and Stop doing Stupid *****

Bottom line, is Richt needs to start playing to the teams Strength!!!! We've got Athlete's at the Skill Positions and they can make plays (similar to Albert Wilson turning 2 short passes into Big Gains with 1 TD). Start throwing more Screens, & Slants, utilize the RB's in the passing game. Start running the RB's out wide and allow them to find the whole, instead of always running between the tackles.

Rosier problem is mechanics & instinct, where Perry's is upstairs between the Ears. If Perry took the game more seriously (Rosier didn't start off as a student of the game either) and studied the Playbook and Opponents Defense, he has the talent to take us to the ACCCG and give us a chance to win and be a Playoff Contender.

I think people are frustrated with Richt's playcalling and the inaccuracy of Rosier, and see the promise of Perry. With all that, it may seem people are blaming Rosier (most on here I believe appreciate Rosier but understand his limitations) but it all falls on Richt & Perry.
 
Perry is gonna be fine. Just not today. The average QB probably isn't really ready before his jr year anyway.

Malik had the misfortune of losing to LSU in an ugly fashion. Some of it was bad QB play and the rest of it was bad everything else. The fans complained so CMR changed out QB's. Perry was not appreciably better in terms of accuracy but made more NFL throws. He also makes more mistakes. Now the fans can't blame losing on Malik anymore so they follow the chain up first to the OC, and then its at CMR's and Jon Richts door. When the fans get tired of being ignored by Richt and staff, the fans will go up further and begin criticizing Blake, then Frenk and then the planes will start gassing up.


This has been our pattern for dealing with losing. All CMR has to do to fix this is bring in an OC with QB development skills to assist his son. But egos and nepotism have ruined many careers.
 
The Franchise said:
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?
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I've said all along richt offense is the problem. If you wanna blame Perry or rosier its whatever that's on richt too. He needs to recruit better.
 
Rosier has the slowest delivery/release I have ever seen from a QB at this level, is wildly inaccurate, and still locks on to his primary receiver (with other guys wide open) as a 5th year senior. There is no upside or "room to grow" with Rosier. He should never have been in the position of being a starting QB at the University of Miami. With that said, the play calling is just as much to blame.
 
simplycanes said:
The only thing I can say is that Rick seemingly did more to help Malik in the QB run game than he did with Perry in the pass game. What it looks like from the cheap seats is that our offense is being called as if both have equal skillsets, which I think has proved not to be the case. I see no adjustments to take advantage of Perry's anticipation and accuracy in the short to intermediate passing game, e.g. crossing routes. Also, it's being called as if both read defenses equally well which is not the case. If Greentree has proven Perry struggles reading zone, there are ways OCs call games to get defenses to tip their coverages. Lining up identically game to game and not challenging defenses helps neither QB, and greatly benefits the defense. I'll also say that people read too much into the completion percentages, it's pretty clear that Rick isn't too concerned about it because our reliance on vertical routes put good, accurate and experienced passers in lower percentage situations.
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Agree with the analysis a lot. If the only short-term viable choices for Richt are tailoring the offensive gameplan to Perry's current shortcomings (anticipation, prep, confusion, immaturity) - and - sticking with it and hoping Malik can pull the wins through (with the "D" of course helping) - going with Malik seems reasonable until Jarren is ready.

It's possible that only if he keeps the gameplan intact while playing Perry, that things look like a trainwreck out there, and the play-calling gets the due criticism and blame for being stubborn and short-sighted, which is probably true.
 
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jkdood said:
Agree with the analysis a lot. If the only short-term viable choices for Richt are tailoring the offensive gameplan to Perry's current shortcomings (anticipation, prep, confusion, immaturity) - and - sticking with it and hoping Malik can pull the wins through (with the "D" of course helping) - going with Malik seems reasonable until Jarren is ready.

It's possible that only if he keeps the gameplan intact while playing Perry, that things look like a trainwreck out there, and the play-calling gets the due criticism and blame for being stubborn and short-sighted, which is probably true.
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How is that reasonable one is a freshman and one is a RS senior. Ppl banking on Jarren and we haven't even seen him play. What if he gets hurt/transfers/suspended we back to square one.
 
NE Canes said:
It seems you have found the answer you were looking for.

Truth is, a lot of people complained about his offense from the Start.

Rosier is not very good regardless to the offense Richt runs...regardless of a new OC. Would it help...Absolutely! But it will not make him a much better QB. He is just really bad.

Perry does not get a pass but he is younger and what people do not seem to understand is that Perry's mistakes stem from inexperience. An OC with a better scheme will help Perry more than it would help Rosier. It is time to move on from Rosier and a coach should understand that. Perry needs the reps in real games with Richt or a better OC to learn.

Perry has played in four real games and people have already turned on the kid so I do not think anyone is really excusing him. But is it just ridiculously simple to understand that Rosier is not very good and the future QB needs the reps.

Lastly, yes people should understand that just plugging in a new QB is not going to help. Regardless to how talented Williams is or will be, he will suffer the same fate as Perry if he stepped in NOW to run this offense.
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To make it clear, I want badly to see us beat BC. But IF we don't, the season has then really turned out badly enough that Perry at QB, even if "right now less of an overcall offensive capability than limited-Malik" should get the realtime reps. And maybe Jarren as well in the mix.

But while we have the BC game to win and make a run for the Coastal and some sort of salvage-season, the perhaps marginally better offensive combine of Malik and old-playbook seems reasonable. For right now; proper time and place.
 
JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Rosier has the slowest delivery/release I have ever seen from a QB at this level, is wildly inaccurate, and still locks on to his primary receiver (with other guys wide open) as a 5th year senior. There is no upside or "room to grow" with Rosier. He should never have been in the position of being a starting QB at the University of Miami. With that said, the play calling is just as much to blame.
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If there are guys wide open but Malik can't hit them, is the play call the problem?
 
jkdood said:
To make it clear, I want badly to see us beat BC. But IF we don't, the season has then really turned out badly enough that Perry at QB, even if "right now less of an overcall offensive capability than limited-Malik" should get the realtime reps. And maybe Jarren as well in the mix.

But while we have the BC game to win and make a run for the Coastal and some sort of salvage-season, the perhaps marginally better offensive combine of Malik and old-playbook seems reasonable. For right now; proper time and place.
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If Richt is going to go with Rosier for the rest of the year then he should use Rosier as a runner and a passer second. Let him run the option but he must keep and run the ball for the running game to work. Then every once an a while he can pass off playaction.

If Richt comes out and expect Rosier to pass his way to a win we could be in big trouble.
 
DTP said:
If there are guys wide open but Malik can't hit them, is the play call the problem?
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This perfectly reflects how people misunderstand the play calling complaints.

Just because a number of plays during a game are successful does not mean the play calling overall is good. Play calling is more about how Richt attacks a D. When we play FIU the play calling can still be bad as we simply out athlete the other team.
 
People have been complaining about Richt's playcalling for 3 years now.

The thing is Malik is so terrible at playing quarterback that his terribleness stick out like a sore thumb, thus he was the easy problem to complain about. It is easy to see when a quarterback misses wide open receivers 90% of the time.

Tackling Richts playcalling is a much bigger issue, as he is the Head coach and the quarterback coach is his son. And it requires knowledge during a game of the offensive calls vs opponents defensive calls, and what play calls would be better for the offense other than what was called per say. (terrible grammar I know). It also requires time. Time to see whether this guy or that guy can somehow magically put the offensive pieces together. But most are now seeing the body of evidence that a few noticed 3 years ago. That Richt's offenses are simple and archaic. They lack creativity and require perfect execution in order to be successful.
 
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I think it’s pretty simple. As others stated, one has been given opportunities for more than 1 season and doesn’t produce while the other QB hasn’t produced but has a sample size of 2 whole games.

You stated earlier you don’t think this is relevant, so I guess there is nothing else to discuss from here. Just my two cents.
 
DTP said:
If there are guys wide open but Malik can't hit them, is the play call the problem?
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There are multiple reasons why the offense struggles. Bad QB play is one reason. Bad OL play is another. But play calling exacerbates the problem. For example, we clearly do not have the OL to establish a power running game yet 6 of the first 7 plays on offense against UVA were running plays into a stacked box. That puts us in obvious passing situations on 3rd down which is not a good situation for our QBs or our OL.
 
As I’ve said in the last few weeks, richt’s play calling certainly doesn’t do the oline any favors in terms of hiding their weaknesses and playing to their strengths. Same thing applies at qb with malik/Perry for that matter. Yes malik is who he is but the game can be called better to be better suited to what he can run
 
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