Honest question...

[305to954]

B/c Malik has had the playbook opened for him and have continuously missed wide open WRs either on the pass or just missing them. Furthermore, Rosier is a 5th yr Sr that’s been in the system for 3 yrs. He had Kaaya to learn behind for 3 yrs, as well.

Perry has been given very little rope. However, let me be clear, it’s a total clusterfock collectively from all parties. But I feel that Perry would thrive w a real o-coordinator. I think LaMar Jackson would struggle w Richt’s **** poor play calling. I don’t think Malik would be good anywhere he went, hence why his P5 offers were 0.

So you think Richt is handcuffing Perry? Not letting him shine? We’re u saying that in the good stretches vs FIU or UNC?..I don’t think MR has held back the playbook from 5. I think 5 has held the playbook back from his self to a degree. At some point a spade is a spade. Malik is not accurate and Perry is not yet ready

 

[The Franchise]

Recruiting sites label Malik a player that shouldn't be a QB at Miami. So Richt and his system overachieved with Malik. Recruiting sites label Perry as one of the top QB of his class and should be good no matter what. So Richt is underachieving and his system is trash.

So his system works with Malik because Malik was deemed garbage by recruiting sites, but his system doesn’t work with Perry because Perry was a 4 star? Hmmm. Still not seeing how that argument makes any sense at all.

 

[The Franchise]

Simple.

With Rosier, people felt the bigger issue was Rosier's inability to throw a football. With Perry in the game (and the hype he came in with) people felt like they would be watching a better offense with Perry's arm talent passing the ball but the offense looks about the same as it did with Malik. The common denominator then becomes Richt's play calling and the O-line/Searels.

So then why doesn’t Malik get the Rick/Searls excuse for his failures like Perry does? They’re the same ****** coaches for him that they are for Perry.

 

[The Franchise]

One simple answer is that it wasn't cool to hate Richt for most of Rosier's PT.

Another is that, having crowned him, people might be hesitant to say Perry isn't all they hoped.

How about once something is somebody's fault, everything is their fault?

I think this guy gets it. He sees the lack of logic in blaming the offense’s failure on Malik when Malik plays but then blaming the offense’s failure on the Ricks and Searls and everyone else when the offense is crap with Perry at QB.

 

[The Franchise]

Because Malik has been here five years and has not gotten better and will not get better. We all know his lack of talent. Perry has the talent as evidenced by some truly amazing throws and five TDS against FSU (counting one to Wiggins that wasn’t reviewed). However he is going to have growing pains. Additionally, recruits and fans understand this. So we lose some games w Perry. The recruits appreciate that a Freshman is given the opportunity and understand that learning curve...so we actually still get top recruits that want to come here. Reality is that MR puts in a Non P5 qb talent who has experience at sucking. And MR opens his pie hole saying that this terrible talent is the best we have created in 3 years...And has earned the right to start...by sucking? It’s asinine for him to assume we’re all that ignorant. But he does, just as Golden did. The recruits see this as do players and their parents....ie. Harleys dad saying MR doesn’t know how to use talent. Then all of MRs ineptness w his system and play calls rise to the surface...magnified by fans, press, Harley’s dad. So what offensive recruit would want to come here to play for a stubborn, prideful, outdated Offensive coach? Oline sucks and we get the 4 star OG decommitment. Who can blame him. Serels hasn’t done squat with our Oline. So it ain’t gonna get better with less talent coming. New transfer rules will be interesting in off season. Good example. Remember bowl against WV MRs first year here. Look where programs were and are now. They’re way ahead of us...we’re not even ranked. We’ve regressed. All this exposed because MR went back to his inept talentless Non P5 caliber QB. Nothing against Malik as a person, he’s just a horrible QB. I can say id be horrible too. MR like having Al Golden-Dave Wandstatte Simese Twins

So because Malik has had the burden of playing under the Ricks for longer than Perry that means it should be more Malik’s fault when he plays and the offense sucks? That is devoid of logic and reason.

If the coach and his system suck then why does having more time in the ****** system under the ****** coach then exculpate the ****** coach from blame and shift it to the player?

What is the magical amount of time under the ****** coach in the ****** system where the blame shifts to the player? Why should spending more time under a ****** coach in a ****** system relieve the coach of blame?

 

[Rellyrell]

So you think Richt is handcuffing Perry? Not letting him shine? We’re u saying that in the good stretches vs FIU or UNC?..I don’t think MR has held back the playbook from 5. I think 5 has held the playbook back from his self to a degree. At some point a spade is a spade. Malik is not accurate and Perry is not yet ready

Naw; imma say Richt’s playbook has been a mystery for quite some time, boss. This playbook is as infamous as @GOCANES05 alleged desk.

 

[The Franchise]

Rosier is about 23 yrs old, Perry’s about 19. Four yrs of experience should count for something.

On a side note, does anyone know why Richt didn’t call more run plays for him at UVA? Feel like he had 1 or 2 that game but the offense has previously feasted on those plays when Malik has made the start.

So if I’m taught badly for longer I should be better than someone who is taught badly for a shorter time?

 

[The Franchise]

That's not true at all, when the Offense fails it's Richt's fault because this is his archaic offense.

Malik is a 5th year Senior that has already peaked & at his best was an average passer & Perry is a Red Frosh who has struggled a lot with accuracy as well while also flashing some ability. The symptoms show that both are playing in an offense that doesn't maximize the ability of the QB to hit targets consistently.

Next year when Jarren is the QB & is struggling in this same stale offense people will still be making the same excuses for Richt blaming the OL or whatever reason they can come up with.

Perry has not received the benefit of the doubt, most people on here have already thrown him away & labeled him a dumb low IQ knucklehead after only 3 starts. Rosier lost the benefit of the doubt because the sample size is much larger of him being a below average QB & even he still has his dedicated Pom Pom shakers who think he's going to rescue the rest of the season regardless of how bad he plays.

Most of the talk since the UVA game hasn't been about how Malik sucks, it's been about Richt's failure to be in year 3 & still not having an legitimate offense. There's hasn't been much push back on anyone who has teed off on Perry, there were lots & lots of fans who went to War all offseason defending Rosier's porous play.

If you’re applying the same standard to both QBs then you’re certainly the exception. So you can’t say “that’s not true at all.” It’s absolutely true that almost everyone here blames Malik when the offense fails with him at qb, but they blame Rick when the offense fails with Perry at QB.

I think if it’s Rick’s fault, then it should be Rick’s fault with both QBs. I think guys blame Rick when Perry plays because they predetermined Perry the savior. Then, when he played, and the offense was just as bad or worse most of the time they didn’t want to look stupid for clamoring for Perry for so long. So it had to be Rick’s fault.

 

[The Franchise]

Come on my dude you're smarter than this. Rosier has thrown 515 passes under the Richt regime of which he has missed on 239 of them. Perry has thrown only 89 passes in his career and missed on 39 of them. If he had 4 more completions he'd be over 60% completion percentage. So if just four of the eight passes that wr dropped in the fsu game we're caught is now no longer considered an inaccurate passer? They literally have the same number of completed passes this season and Perry and played less and attempted less passes then Rosier. So based on Rosiers entire body of work and even his work this season Perry is the more accurate passer and it's not really up for debate. Not even going to bother with any of the other stuff because I don't won't to pile on the kid but he shouldn't be the qb here just like Jr shouldn't be the qb coach and his pops shouldn't be the OC.

What are their completion percentages this season? Are they close or not? And don’t tell me about dropped passes. Richards dropped 4 passes from Malik in the Syracuse game last year.

You’re missing the point of the post anyway. You blame the offense’s failings on Rick when Perry plays, yet you blame Rosier for the offense’s failures when Rosier plays. How do you reconcile that? Same coach. Why is he a competent coach when Rosier plays and it’s Rosier’s fault when the offense fails. Yet he’s incompetent when Perry plays and the offense fails.

 

[Lazarre]

So his system works with Malik because Malik was deemed garbage by recruiting sites, but his system doesn’t work with Perry because Perry was a 4 star? Hmmm. Still not seeing how that argument makes any sense at all.

No.. The offensive coaching/system issues were always there but because Malik is deemed less talent and not a good passer by the recruiting sites. Most of the fault was put on him(some of it is rightfully so). The same issues came back this year with Perry, who is deemed highly talented and better passer by the recruiting sites. Now the narrative changes because the excuse of not having talent at the QB can not be used.

 

[k9cane]

Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?

My take, we already know we have a finished product with Rosier, with Perry there is the hope/assumption that there is a higher ceiling and the expectation of him living up to a much higher recruiting ranking coming in. So the perception that he's a better player(eventually) and plus, we've all seen enough of Rosier.

There's an old saying in sports - if you're going to be bad or struggle, it's better to be young and go with upside

I think that's the case here

Now, to your point, yeah, both QB's have been bad. And this archaic system - which some believe is only the 1995 Dallas Cowboys offensive line away from being functional - doesn't help matters. Its why I call his offense 'the BetaMax', I think it's dated and much too reliant on 50-50 balls downfield. And yeah, the QB coaching leaves a TON to be desired(although they will be well conditioned with all the gassers they are made to do during practice)

Yeah, this side of the ball is broken.

But as it relates to Malik and Rosier it's like choosing between gonorrhea and syphilis.

Personally, I had had it with Rosier to a point that I wanted Perry( in part because next year we have a tough opener vs UF and I dont want a raw rookie taking snaps that game) no matter what. I saw no future or present with 12. Well, after the UVA meltdown and some of the stuff that Ive been told about Perry( and Chise I recall telling you about them a couple of years ago) and some of the social media postings, well, now I want Jarren Williams to start getting warmed up in the bullpen.

Our QB's are what they are, but I really think the bigger picture is the guy running it(something I said b4 the last loss).

 

[am1640]

What are their completion percentages this season? Are they close or not? And don’t tell me about dropped passes. Richards dropped 4 passes from Malik in the Syracuse game last year.

You’re missing the point of the post anyway. You blame the offense’s failings on Rick when Perry plays, yet you blame Rosier for the offense’s failures when Rosier plays. How do you reconcile that? Same coach. Why is he a competent coach when Rosier plays and it’s Rosier’s fault when the offense fails. Yet he’s incompetent when Perry plays and the offense fails.

Who says he's a competent coach when Malik plays? Malik is a below average qb and Richt is a below average play caller. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

I get that people here try to recreate history but has everyone forgot how stuck in the mud the offense was with Kaaya the first 7.5 games of the season? He studied the playbook. He could read defenses, however that offense was trash against FSU, UNC, VT, and the first half against a terrible ND team. You don't remember Lu breaking down film and salivating about our TE going against FSU's garbage Lbers and S over the middle of the field where they were weakest, only to be disappointed that we didn't try that at all. We literally had dudes with knowledge of the offense tell you Richt changed his philosophy/playcalling the second half of the ND game and that's the only thing that saved the offense and the season from being a disaster.

Most intelligent posters have maintained from the beginning that Richt offense playcaller is a major problem. Three years, three different QBs and offense is still a big problem. We still don't attack the middle of the field with any regularity. We don't get playmakers in space. That doesn't mean Rosier isn't also a bad qb. We literally have a dude on this site who breaks down film of the QBs but I guess he's just biased and against Malik also lmao.

 

[miamimike305]

I’ve seen both QBs have a pretty terrible completion percentage this season. One gets the excuse that Rick sucks; the other gets no such excuse.

Sorry my comment didn't add to the conversation earlier. I was at work so couldn't really put a whole idea together. Anyway, I feel as if the system Richt is trying to implement is way too complicated for college football. If you YouTube Eagles RPO you see their head coach explaining the RPO and towards the end that is the basics of what he explained in the video. Got me thinking after that and it is way too complicated. There's this play right here.
Another thing you might add why would he throw that in the first place if he sees the defender there? Maybe they have the pressure of MR to just make that read and that's it. They really don't look anywhere else so it has to be the coach who is at fault here. No other explanation.

 

[BigBoi]

Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?

I think it's because everyone knows what to expect from Rosier and he's a senior. If you're QB is still inaccurate as f@#k, and make bad reads you might as well let the freshman play because he will have a chance to lead the team for years to come.

 

[moshated305]

To be fair there was a decent amount of people bashing Richt's offense and play calling and even more wondering why the **** little Richt was cutting his teeth as a QB coach at Miami but just like always before **** gets bad most decide to stay positive and hopeful. The bashers were drowned out by those saying it was Rosier and wait until Perry was ready.

I, myself wanted to believe Perry was the answer to our problems but it was obvious even in the FIU game that he wasnt quite ready and had a lot of growing to do but still he had more upside than Malik.

A lot of people said Richt was holding back the real offense because Rosier was so bad and would open things up when Perry became the started but with Perry in it seems Richt dialed things back even further. Now more people are starting to see that this is Richt's offense and this is what he wants to run regardless of whose at QB and with the lack of development at the position how can things not point back to the HC/OC and his son he hired to coach QBs.

 

[gabednconfused]

i would say perry is in a much better mechanical situation than malik. I think some of those early practice vids from perry when he first stepped on campus to nows vids would be a good way to judge if his QB coach is doing his job or not.

Jury is out on playcalling and also I am willing to actually pull back from my harshness towards richt because I see the visible immaturity shown by Perry. Like why does the guy take a vid with like a solid 10 stacks on his lap like where that come from bud? I mean you need to be smarter than that. Posing for the gram is only gonna get you likes, not get you a million dollar contract. Just childish.

 

[supacane]

Rosier had a full season and started this season like he ended last season. Its not Richt play calling that's the problem, its the entire design of most of the plays. There is nothing to throw off the defense, they know whats coming at all times. The biggest problem to me is not the QB but the fact we cant run on anyone worth anything, even some not worth anything. Then u have 2nd, 3rd and longs. Then the QBs are disadvantaged.

 

[jkdood]

The OP point makes basic sense. If Richt puts out an offensive gameplan that just sucks, and certainly is the major reason put forth for Perry’s on-the-field failures, why shouldn’t this be “totally” true for Malik?

The reason may be that Perry has likely not reached his ceiling or developed. As he matures on reads and prep, he will not have “as bad” a completion percent as Malik. And the point that mathematically - take 30% - smaller sample size 3 for 10 is potentially much better than 30 for 100 is valid: the 3 for 10 guy completes next 3, he is now 6 for 12 or 50%. The 30 for 100 guy completes the same next 3 he is 33 for 103 or 32%.

The same lousy gameplan will hold the team back, even if Perry matures on reads and prep, it will just be less of a trainwreck by some amount.

Malik has matured on reads all he can and has great prep, but gets full trainwreck results with current gameplan. If the offensive gameplan improves (new OC or adjusted to opponents defenses or QB strengths and weaknesses) still will be a likely trainwreck against most decent opponents. So Malik’s failures will remain Mailk’s failures… same wrecked train, different conductor.

 

[paksat]

full back dive up the middle

full back dive up the middle

full back dive up the middle

4 verticals

4 verticals

inside zone

inside zone

our **** fans are calling the plays before they happen, and you ask this?

 

[252cane]

They’re throwing at about the same completion rate this year.

Completion percentage and accuracy have some correlation but its not the same. Rosier can't hit his targets accurately. You see guys spinning around and having to stretch half way across the field to catch his passes.