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ddann said:
Well, why don't you guys focus on things that Richt has actually done that are worth criticizing instead of getting sidetracked on a guy he didn't even bring into the program?
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Ok, Jon.
 
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ddann said:
Well, why don't you guys focus on things that Richt has actually done that are worth criticizing instead of getting sidetracked on a guy he didn't even bring into the program?
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My guy; how about this is worth criticizing! Why the fck do u think we’re screwed for the QB position for the class of 19? Why the fck do u think UGA fans were in an uproar over Cam and Deshaun? He’s doing the same chit over here, as well. And IDGAF if it’s Mark or Jon. They r doing the same thing in 2020 as well, focusing on Richt’s nephew. Bad evals. Thank God Jarren was committed to UK & and not a Texas or OSU.
 
Rellyrell said:
My guy; how about this is worth criticizing! Why the fck do u think we’re screwed for the QB position for the class of 19? Why the fck do u think UGA fans were in an uproar over Cam and Deshaun? He’s doing the same chit over here, as well. And IDGAF if it’s Mark or Jon. They r doing the same thing in 2020 as well, focusing on Richt’s nephew. Bad evals. Thank God Jarren was committed to UK & and not a Texas or OSU.
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For reals, Rell. Where would we be right now?
 
calinative umstudent said:
Similar comp% but Perry definitely opens the offense more due to his ability to hit more throws. I mean just ******* watch any of the bubble screens - Perry consistently allows the WRs to pick up YAC, while Rosier ******* throws behind the WRs just about every time. And obviously Rosiers noodle arm doesn't come close to Perry's with the distance throws or 10yrd outs and ****.

Perry throwing 50% Comp is a better QB than Rosier throwing 50% comp. Thats the reason I don'twant Rosier to play. Perry being bad is still ******* better than Rosier.
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The offense is not more opened up. It is trash with both of them. Since halftime of the UNC game Perry has led 21 drives where we were trying to score that didn't begin inside the FSU 20. We've scored 21 points on those drives. 21 points on 21 drives under Perry that didn't start in the redzone. His 50% is not better. It is actually worse. The offense becomes even more basic when Perry plays. The QB run game completely goes out the window and plays that show any modicum of creativity get completely removed when Richt is gameplanning with Perry as the starter.

Inverted veer - gone
QB Power - gone
Two RB flanking the QB and play action off of that - - gone
Fake wheel route from the slot that turns into a stop route at the sticks - gone
Midline Option where we option the DT - gone

Those are all plays I remember from the Toledo game that I haven't seen since Perry was named starter.

Richt wouldn't even run that quick pitch to the RB that he ran twice in a row in the second half of the UVA game with Perry.

So not only are we not scoring points we're more basic when doing it.
 
RVACane said:
For reals, Rell. Where would we be right now?
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Bro; I’ve been voicing my frustration a lot here, but nothing will turn me away from my Canes. However, I expected head scratchers from Shannon and Golden. Why? B/c both were first yr head coaches at a major program.

The head scratchers from Richt w his recruiting techniques, play calling, missing position of needs is ultra frustrating b/c he should know better. U just came from a powerhouse conference and a major University and doing dumb chit (e.g Malik still stinking on making the simple slant pass and no one in the QB room near ready, losing to weak teams, GOING AFTER ONE QB FOR 2019!). Frustrating af!
 
The Franchise said:
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?
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One issue is I see is that Richt has totally mismanaged the situation. I feel like Richt has put way to much responsibility on Jon’s shoulders. Jon has no business coaching quarterbacks at the high school level. Inexperience coupled with the fact that Perry was as raw and undeveloped as they come coming out of high school, well that’s not really a recipe for success. Perry is the type that needs to frequent qb camps and get coached by a guru in order to develop properly, and he’s getting the bear minimum right now. As young and boneheaded as he may appear, an athlete as talented and gifted as Perry needs to be groomed by top tier coaching, and instead he is being subjected to glorified nepotism.
 
Richt somehow manages to dull down his already vanilla offense when Perry is in the game. And at this point, after what Perry has shown us on and off the field, I’m not too sure I can blame him. He simply doesn’t trust the kid’s decision making. And I think there is a lot more to this story behind the scenes. But based on what I’ve heard online about N’Kosi off the field, it seems he wants all of the fame and fortune that comes with being a star QB, but doesn’t necessarily want to put the work in to get there. He’s got all the talent in the world. But how can Richt get through to him without taking something away from him? If Perry puts in the work and commits to studying film and learning to read defenses, the sky is the limit for him. He just needs to grind and stay focused.
 
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The Franchise said:
They have a very similar completion percentage this year. Yes Perry looks prettier throwing for 50%, but I’m just wondering why two QBs struggling under the same exact coach get treated so incredibly differently.

When Malik fails it’s all his fault; when Perry fails it’s all Rick’s fault.
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That's not true at all, when the Offense fails it's Richt's fault because this is his archaic offense.

Malik is a 5th year Senior that has already peaked & at his best was an average passer & Perry is a Red Frosh who has struggled a lot with accuracy as well while also flashing some ability. The symptoms show that both are playing in an offense that doesn't maximize the ability of the QB to hit targets consistently.

Next year when Jarren is the QB & is struggling in this same stale offense people will still be making the same excuses for Richt blaming the OL or whatever reason they can come up with.

Perry has not received the benefit of the doubt, most people on here have already thrown him away & labeled him a dumb low IQ knucklehead after only 3 starts. Rosier lost the benefit of the doubt because the sample size is much larger of him being a below average QB & even he still has his dedicated Pom Pom shakers who think he's going to rescue the rest of the season regardless of how bad he plays.

Most of the talk since the UVA game hasn't been about how Malik sucks, it's been about Richt's failure to be in year 3 & still not having an legitimate offense. There's hasn't been much push back on anyone who has teed off on Perry, there were lots & lots of fans who went to War all offseason defending Rosier's porous play.
 
Rellyrell said:
Bro; I’ve been voicing my frustration a lot here, but nothing will turn me away from my Canes. However, I expected head scratchers from Shannon and Golden. Why? B/c both were first yr head coaches at a major program.

The head scratchers from Richt w his recruiting techniques, play calling, missing position of needs is ultra frustrating b/c he should know better. U just came from a powerhouse conference and a major University and doing dumb chit (e.g Malik still stinking on making the simple slant pass and no one in the QB room near ready, losing to weak teams, GOING AFTER ONE QB FOR 2019!). Frustrating af!
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I agree with you. The thing that has been killing me since the LSU game is how bad the O-Line has been in year 3. I wasn't expecting a dominate unit this year but not being able to do basic stuff constantly is what's ****es me off the most.
 
Rosier vs Power 5: 1 TDs, 3INT, 2 TD rushing
3 TD to 3 INT
5 TD to 3 INT overall

Perry vs Power 5: 5 TDs, 3 INT
5 TD to 3 INT
11 TD to 5 INT overall

Rosier is extremely inconsistent.
1st downs: 55%, second downs 38%, and third downs 57%.
2017: 59,54,45
2& 6+ yards he is 7 for 22, 4.59 ypa, 31%
3& 6+ yards he is 13 for 21, 14.5 ypa, 62%

Perry
1st downs: 63%, second downs 51%, third downs 50%.
2&6+ 12 for 24, 7.23 ypa, 50%
3&6+ 6 for 12, 5.8 ypa, 50%

The offense has averaged 6 more points per game with Perry than Rosier. We can throw that out of we want due to road games/LSU Defense.
 
Lazarre said:
I agree with you. The thing that has been killing me since the LSU game is how bad the O-Line has been in year 3. I wasn't expecting a dominate unit this year but not being able to do basic stuff constantly is what's ****es me off the most.
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Preeeeach! This OL is putrid, but he’s not doing it any favors b/c calling plays like he has Gurley, Stafford, and Chubb in the backfield and 4*/5* lineman across the OL.
 
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My question, does Perry score 20 points vs. UVA if he was put back in the game after the coach adjusted the game plan to account for Perry not understanding the D.

Not going to get into the "we are running vanilla as F" stuff with both. I'd just like to see motion even if the play simply returns to the same spot. Instead, the motion is our back moving to one side of the QB a few seconds before the snap. Why not do a motion, set the player and move RB? Even if the defenses adjust, it forces them to adjust and it allows our coaches and QBs to see the D that they are trying to run.
 
The Franchise said:
They’re throwing at about the same completion rate this year.
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Come on my dude you're smarter than this. Rosier has thrown 515 passes under the Richt regime of which he has missed on 239 of them. Perry has thrown only 89 passes in his career and missed on 39 of them. If he had 4 more completions he'd be over 60% completion percentage. So if just four of the eight passes that wr dropped in the fsu game we're caught is now no longer considered an inaccurate passer? They literally have the same number of completed passes this season and Perry and played less and attempted less passes then Rosier. So based on Rosiers entire body of work and even his work this season Perry is the more accurate passer and it's not really up for debate. Not even going to bother with any of the other stuff because I don't won't to pile on the kid but he shouldn't be the qb here just like Jr shouldn't be the qb coach and his pops shouldn't be the OC.
 
407cane said:
Great post
That's essentially my point with most of my posts,

Whenever someone tries to point this out we are made out to be Rosier fans...

Is richt elite? Idk, prob not. But he didn't win 75% of his games playing the 2nd best QB on his team.. something about Perry is off and richt wouldn't lose games on purpose unless Perry was giving him reason to doubt his ability.

I think we'll see Perry, but I feel like Perry must have not prepped enough for UVA and didn't study enough. He trusts Malik more on the road against a good opponent to settle down the offense. Hardly something that is out of line or ridiculous


The Rosier hate on here is ridiculous. He's a 3 star player that has no business ever taking a snap here. He beat out Allison, Perry, scared off kaaya in his senior year, Weldon, sherrifs, and Williams

Out of 7 QB's he's been the best one. Is that his fault? No. We simply need someone to come and take over the reigns

Dude was clutch and led us to 10 wins for the first time in 15 years. Is he gonna nlow a game or two? Probably but he'll also come up huge out of nowhere and I trust him way more than Perry to finish the year out and roll off some wins

I know some fans are okay with losing to develop Perry but that's ridiculous, we're Miami and those same fans would riot the coach when we lost a game. Every game we should win and even if Rosier plays ****** but pulls out the "W" then that's all that matters and I'm with it
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I agree with everything you said except about kaaya. You actually believe he scared Kaaya off to the draft?
 
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am1640 said:
Come on my dude you're smarter than this. Rosier has thrown 515 passes under the Richt regime of which he has missed on 239 of them. Perry has thrown only 89 passes in his career and missed on 39 of them. If he had 4 more completions he'd be over 60% completion percentage. So if just four of the eight passes that wr dropped in the fsu game we're caught is now no longer considered an inaccurate passer? They literally have the same number of completed passes this season and Perry and played less and attempted less passes then Rosier. So based on Rosiers entire body of work and even his work this season Perry is the more accurate passer and it's not really up for debate. Not even going to bother with any of the other stuff because I don't won't to pile on the kid but he shouldn't be the qb here just like Jr shouldn't be the qb coach and his pops shouldn't be the OC.
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Great post. Needs paragraphs, but good points all around.
 
The Franchise said:
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?
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Simple answer: because some in our fan base just don’t like malik. And tbh got carried away with the 10-0 start. But when we started losing Malik’s defencencies were GLARING. Then it became if you try to rationalize why we truly struggled against and loss in the Pitt game you were a malik apologist. I’ve been called this many times. But along with Perry the same problems exist within this O. Missed assignments up front and some guys just getting whipped. If u watch a game and look at our run plays that get screwed up it seems to be a diff guy getting beat/ missing a assignment. It’s always been that for me. I could always live with 12 being 12 because I knew he is a guy who is good enough to win..or let me rephrase, not make our situation worse because of the defencencies we have up front...I never thought perry was the answer rn because he’s not the same runner as 12 even though for some reason the announcers act as if 5 is Lamar Jackson ..and just his raw lack of experience. But Perry arm talent wise blows 12 out of the water..I think when fans saw 12 miss throws they automatically sumized 5 would make that throw. Not taking in account he has to get to tthat read 1st to be able to pull the trigger
 
Rellyrell said:
Just think; we were thhhhhis close to our QB room being Rosier, Perry, Weldon, and Sitkowski b/c of Richt & Richt’s eval. Yiiiiiiiikes
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But didnt the coaches basically yank his offer..soooo their eval was correct ...
 
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