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[MarshallCane]

This **** is so weak it's unreal

This.

Recruit the **** out of all of them. Take 4 if you have too. Hope for the best.

 

[01Canes]

No one should be the odd man out. Suck it up and do what's good for the team. Recruiting is fluid, staff had no idea that Walton would reclassify.

Cronk is basically trying to force the staffs hand, trying to get them to drop a great prospect because he doesn't want to be apart of a 3 RB class.

Walton, Scarlett (if he commits) have no problem with the numbers.

I sort of understand his position but at the same time I don't like the attitude. Hope he rethinks his position and wants what is best for the team

Good chance I'm in the minority on my thoughts

I don't disagree at all. On one hand I understand why Cronkrite cares about the numbers, but on the other hand you're absolutely right that no one should be the odd man out involuntarily when every RB in the discussion is a premier talent.

Williams committed before Cronkrite and, if he does decide that he wants to stick, should have every opportunity to be a Cane without having to worry about being pushed out by politics.

 

[sotacane22]

they need to embrace the competition we can get them all on the field

 

[Token cane]

Imagine the **** that would rain down if Miami only signed one top flight RB in this recruiting class because they wanted to make Cronkrite as comfortable as possible while Williams flipped and Walton remained a 2016 recruit. Specifically with the likelihood that Duke leaves. The same person in here talking about the staff lying would use the situation to **** and moan and pretend like what he said in a drive by fashion in this thread didn't happen.

I normally don't respond to ignorance and all I was trying to give insight to a situation but I'm not allowed to say everything which I wish I could but let's get one thing straight I never said the staff lied. The staff is doing the best to cover their *** because they were screwed last cycle and only took 1.

I wasn't talking about you. Another poster in this thread used your comments to further an agenda.

I apologize then I'm sorry

 

[fastcane]

Since I'm close with This situation I will clarify something's since the writer only quoted 2 lines of the interview from Cronkrite. As he said it's not about competition but if the staff said one thing to him and now they are doing something else who knows if this will be the last time they change their mind on something which would affect him in one way or another. He was raised to honor his word and he expects the people he deals with to do the same and right now they aren't.

Him being realistic has to do with 3 coming in how do they determine who gets first crack behind Yearby because I can tell you the staff is not even counting much from Gus and Tucker may be gone. Now some people may disagree with what I have been told but out of the 3 Walton gets first crack because of him being a pipeline kid. The staff has denied this to Cronkrite which was brought up by his family and head coach but he is starting to wonder how much he can believe what they say.

I'm friends with a few HS head coaches down here and we have talked about this situation and they don't like how it's going and mention this is something the staff has done in the last few years and it hasn't sat well with them and they keep it in the back of their minds when dealing with their players.

Now say what you want about this situation but this is a kid that shut his recruiting down completely after committing only to now have to do something he never wanted to do and that is start listening to more BS from other schools.

This staff never gonna win with "high school coaches down here " you miss on big time players you get bashed , you get big time players to commit they still bash because their player might not be talented enough to beat another guy out , if JC wants out best of luck to him but him being a well brought up kid should know there's no guaranteed success for a high school player going into college who knows if 3 out of the 4 don't pan out ? He should understand that if a big time recruit from down here wants in YOU let him in we aren't in a position to turn kids away , whoever JC goes he'll have to fight for a spot

You're missing the entire point here...the staff told Cronkrite one thing, and did another. The staff lied to him.

That's not the first time this staff has done that either.

Were you there when the staff was talking to him?
IMO, it the kid doesn't want to compete go somewhere else. I want a kid who wants to be the best, you get to be the best by competing with the best.

 

[Geo305]

As for the people downplaying Cronk all of a sudden. I don't understand it. Kid is a stud. Think he could be a star at runningback or safety here.

I think all 4 of them are studs actually. They all have different things they excel at.

Walton - a mix of everything. Wouldn't say he's great at one thing, but he's good at all. Jack of all trades.

Cronk - speedy, shifty, good size, reminds me of those dangerous Oregon runningbacks the last few years. Special teams threat too. And could be a threat at safety.

Williams - The highest ceiling of all of them. Great breakaway ability, could play runningback and some receiver. Freakish athleticism.

Scarlett - Great size, good speed, most ready to play right away. Strong too. And I love his confidence. Has the mold of a true workhorse runningback.

These guys make me forget about the misses on Collins, Cook and Michel. If theirs a way to get all of them. We have to do it. Studs, complete studs.

This is not even mentioning we already have Duke. Who I think is very special.

And also not even mentioning Yearby who I like just as much as these guys and has his own skill set.

Hope everything plays out well and we can land all of them. Cause I see Duke bolting with a great season and he has every chance to have one being healthy.


Not only that. Anyone could go down with an injury. Anything can happen, they would all have a fair shot at playing and a good chance at the league playing here.

 

[jw410]

Since I'm close with This situation I will clarify something's since the writer only quoted 2 lines of the interview from Cronkrite. As he said it's not about competition but if the staff said one thing to him and now they are doing something else who knows if this will be the last time they change their mind on something which would affect him in one way or another. He was raised to honor his word and he expects the people he deals with to do the same and right now they aren't.

Him being realistic has to do with 3 coming in how do they determine who gets first crack behind Yearby because I can tell you the staff is not even counting much from Gus and Tucker may be gone. Now some people may disagree with what I have been told but out of the 3 Walton gets first crack because of him being a pipeline kid. The staff has denied this to Cronkrite which was brought up by his family and head coach but he is starting to wonder how much he can believe what they say.

I'm friends with a few HS head coaches down here and we have talked about this situation and they don't like how it's going and mention this is something the staff has done in the last few years and it hasn't sat well with them and they keep it in the back of their minds when dealing with their players.

Now say what you want about this situation but this is a kid that shut his recruiting down completely after committing only to now have to do something he never wanted to do and that is start listening to more BS from other schools.

This staff never gonna win with "high school coaches down here " you miss on big time players you get bashed , you get big time players to commit they still bash because their player might not be talented enough to beat another guy out , if JC wants out best of luck to him but him being a well brought up kid should know there's no guaranteed success for a high school player going into college who knows if 3 out of the 4 don't pan out ? He should understand that if a big time recruit from down here wants in YOU let him in we aren't in a position to turn kids away , whoever JC goes he'll have to fight for a spot

You're missing the entire point here...the staff told Cronkrite one thing, and did another. The staff lied to him.

That's not the first time this staff has done that either.

Explain. I thought Williams and Walton were committed to Miami before Cronk. Explain the lies.

Our fans with their SFL connections do more negative recruiting against us than our rivals.

All the info is in this thread. Just read.

As for previous issues, just use the search function.

Kids at the same positions being told they're the #1 prospect on Miami's board by the same coach.

Kids being told they have offers, committing, then being told they don't have an offer.

Why do you think Glolden hired Tim Harris Sr. and Baez?

Same reason Saban hires people.. every coach does it. It's community relations building..

 

[01Canes]

Not to mention the admittedly unlikely scenario if Williams, Walton, and Scarlett all want to come here and don't care about the numbers at the position, especially with Williams being open to the RB/WR movable chess piece role in the offense.

You don't turn two of them away to appease Cronkrite, even though he's very talented in his own right.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. But if one of the backs does leave, I hope it's of their own accord and not because they're pushed out due to a strict adherence to a prior numbers promise.

 

[plantcity3]

Where else is he going to go? Bama, UF, Clemson? No matter how many RB we take, he is still going to have to compete to get on the field wherever he goes. Unless he goes to Marshall or FAU.

If Duke leaves after this year, that position will be wide open. Go to Bama and you are still sitting for another two years.

 

[01Canes]

As for the people downplaying Cronk all of a sudden. I don't understand it. Kid is a stud. Think he could be a star at runningback or safety here.

I think all 4 of them are studs actually. They all have different things they excel at.

Walton - a mix of everything. Wouldn't say he's great at one thing, but he's good at all. Jack of all trades.

Cronk - speedy, shifty, good size, reminds me of those dangerous Oregon runningbacks the last few years. Special teams threat too. And could be a threat at safety.

Williams - The highest ceiling of all of them. Great breakaway ability, could play runningback and some receiver. Freakish athleticism.

Scarlett - Great size, good speed, most ready to play right away. Strong too. And I love his confidence. Has the mold of a true workhorse runningback.


This is not even mentioning we already have Duke.

And also not even mentioning Yearby who I like as well.

Hope everything plays out well and we can land all of them. Cause I see Duke bolting with a great season and he has every chance to have one being healthy.


Not only that. Anyone could go down with an injury. Anything can happen, they would all have a fair shot at playing and a good chance at the league playing here.

I don't think anyone is downplaying Cronkrite's ability on the field. It seems like some are uneasy about the possibility, as was insinuated, that Williams could be pushed out of the class because of a promise that was made to another recruit before Walton supposedly reclassified. And justifiably so.

If Cronkrite wants to decommit because of numbers, that's one thing and I'd completely understand it. But it would be BS to push out someone of Williams' caliber because Cronkrite doesn't want more than one other back in this class, especially since Williams was committed first and is a blue-chip talent.

 

[hurricaneman73]

JC, Vagisil is on aisle 6.

 

[Canediver]

After reading all this, it seems to me that many on here have more confidence in Cronkite's abilities than he does himself. His attitude screams "I don't want to have to compete", and I find that most bothersome. Sounds like several of our past players that were properly bashed for their attitudes on here. I want players that say "bring it on" when it comes to competition, players that have the utmost confidence in their abilities and are willing to prove it and earn their time on the field. We won't be winning national championships, let alone the ACC, without them.

i hope he re-evaluates this situation and stays. But I won't be shedding any tears if he chooses to leave rather than compete for playing time.

 

[Geo305]

As for the people downplaying Cronk all of a sudden. I don't understand it. Kid is a stud. Think he could be a star at runningback or safety here.

I think all 4 of them are studs actually. They all have different things they excel at.

Walton - a mix of everything. Wouldn't say he's great at one thing, but he's good at all. Jack of all trades.

Cronk - speedy, shifty, good size, reminds me of those dangerous Oregon runningbacks the last few years. Special teams threat too. And could be a threat at safety.

Williams - The highest ceiling of all of them. Great breakaway ability, could play runningback and some receiver. Freakish athleticism.

Scarlett - Great size, good speed, most ready to play right away. Strong too. And I love his confidence. Has the mold of a true workhorse runningback.


This is not even mentioning we already have Duke.

And also not even mentioning Yearby who I like as well.

Hope everything plays out well and we can land all of them. Cause I see Duke bolting with a great season and he has every chance to have one being healthy.


Not only that. Anyone could go down with an injury. Anything can happen, they would all have a fair shot at playing and a good chance at the league playing here.

I don't think anyone is downplaying Cronkrite's ability on the field. It seems like some are uneasy about the possibility, as was insinuated, that Williams could be pushed out of the class because of a promise that was made to another recruit before Walton supposedly reclassified. And justifiably so.

If Cronkrite wants to decommit because of numbers, that's one thing and I'd completely understand it. But it would be BS to push out someone of Williams' caliber because Cronkrite doesn't want more than one other back in this class, especially since Williams was committed first and is a blue-chip talent.

I agree completely on that if someone got pushed out. Wouldn't agree with that scenario, because all are Miami Caliber.

As for Yearby. I think the Yearbs is a stud and I'm glad we got him instead of striking out completely last year. I know some won't like this but he reminds me of a young Warrick Dunn. Great footwork and moves, not the best speed but good speed and the ability to run between the tackles. Dunn in his prime was dangerous.

This year I'm feeling greedy though, we need to stock up to make up for some of the misses we had.

 

[Juanka]

After reading all this, it seems to me that many on here have more confidence in Cronkite's abilities than he does himself. His attitude screams "I don't want to have to compete", and I find that most bothersome. Sounds like several of our past players that were properly bashed for their attitudes on here. I want players that say "bring it on" when it comes to competition, players that have the utmost confidence in their abilities and are willing to prove it and earn their time on the field. We won't be winning national championships, let alone the ACC, without them.

i hope he re-evaluates this situation and stays. But I won't be shedding any tears if he chooses to leave rather than compete for playing time.

I agree... I was hoping Walton would stay in that 16 class, but if the kid works hard and qualifies for 15 then by all means I will take him in a heartbeat. Walton already said he doesn't care if we got 4 RB committed, and guess Scarlett will feel the same if he commit. I think JC is a beast, and man would I love to have him in this class representing my beloved U, but it's his choice. As for DEX.. they should change him to ATH, hope he sticks 2.

 

[Realnard86]

Good thing Willis, Frank, Davenport, Clinton and Payton didn't think this way. They all shared time and other than Payton, they all went on to have good/great NFL careers.
Sharing the load as a college RB can help you last a little longer in the NFL and COMPETITION BREEDS EXCELLENCE.

 

[TheMatador]

if cronkrite decommits tho would that have any effect on other recruits like Jaquan?

Yup that my fears also... I was really hoping to see Jaquan & Tim in this class with & if he goes then I believe it'll have an effect. Hope I'm wrong though because the kid can play!

You'd be nudging this class to Bolivia.

Hate those Bolivian waxes.

 

[TheMatador]

As for the people downplaying Cronk all of a sudden. I don't understand it. Kid is a stud. Think he could be a star at runningback or safety here.

I think all 4 of them are studs actually. They all have different things they excel at.

Walton - a mix of everything. Wouldn't say he's great at one thing, but he's good at all. Jack of all trades.

Cronk - speedy, shifty, good size, reminds me of those dangerous Oregon runningbacks the last few years. Special teams threat too. And could be a threat at safety.

Williams - The highest ceiling of all of them. Great breakaway ability, could play runningback and some receiver. Freakish athleticism.

Scarlett - Great size, good speed, most ready to play right away. Strong too. And I love his confidence. Has the mold of a true workhorse runningback.


This is not even mentioning we already have Duke.

And also not even mentioning Yearby who I like as well.

Hope everything plays out well and we can land all of them. Cause I see Duke bolting with a great season and he has every chance to have one being healthy.


Not only that. Anyone could go down with an injury. Anything can happen, they would all have a fair shot at playing and a good chance at the league playing here.

I don't think anyone is downplaying Cronkrite's ability on the field. It seems like some are uneasy about the possibility, as was insinuated, that Williams could be pushed out of the class because of a promise that was made to another recruit before Walton supposedly reclassified. And justifiably so.

If Cronkrite wants to decommit because of numbers, that's one thing and I'd completely understand it. But it would be BS to push out someone of Williams' caliber because Cronkrite doesn't want more than one other back in this class, especially since Williams was committed first and is a blue-chip talent.

I agree completely on that if someone got pushed out. Wouldn't agree with that scenario, because all are Miami Caliber.

As for Yearby. I think the Yearbs is a stud and I'm glad we got him instead of striking out completely last year. I know some won't like this but he reminds me of a young Warrick Dunn. Great footwork and moves, not the best speed but good speed and the ability to run between the tackles. Dunn in his prime was dangerous.

This year I'm feeling greedy though, we need to stock up to make up for some of the misses we had.

Yes, Dunn was dangerous. He could really make plays. That might be a good comparison. I never knew how good his straight line speed was but he was always dazzling with moves, and quickness and making people miss.

 

[Gatorhater]

I didn't say the staff lied because this situation is still going on. What Jordan is saying is he is going to monitor the situation and how it plays out. There has been a lot of things that have been said to Jordan and his family which isn't going to be shared on here or anywhere so this situation has to play out.

It's not about the staff satisfying Cronkrite in any way. He wants to be part of a 2 RB class and our staff has said on numerous occasions they are only taking 2. Walton reclassifying was brought up months ago between Cronkrite and staff and what I can tell you now is the staff didn't expect it at all and it's still not official because there may be issues with it and only time will tell.

As a recruit this is the one time you get to choose the best situation for you and he thought he had the best situation but things change so you can't fault the kid for questioning the situation and being cautious.

That is fine and good. And the kid has the right to tend to his interest and make his judgments. He sounds very smart and thoughtful and should factor in what the staff has been through with So FL recruits and HS coaches too. They wanted two rbs out of loaded class last year and look at what happened. At the very last second they lose kid to the swap scum. A good kid mind you; not some punk like Cook. I don't think it is fair for JC to hold Walton against the staff. He was committed BEFORE JC and nobody expected him to successfully reclassify. If you think about it, he is the first commit, Williams is the second and JC is the third. Now as the third commit, how can he blame staff. Yeah I am twisting logic some but so is JC and these coaches. Williams is looking--staff has always said "if you're looking, we are looking". Scarlett is more like the possible replacement for Williams than JC. Walton is outside staff's control. I would hope JC considers everything before concluding that the staff lied to him in some way. That said, I like and want all these backs. Duke has got the NFL looking here again. Miller and James have done ok and that helps next kids. Joe will light it up and be gone in 3. Plenty of PT for all and Sunday paychecks too.

 

[Golden Era]

Here's how i see it, i understand Cronk feels like he's being lied to but, we said we were taking two RB's correct? So we got Cronk, it sounds like the staff are bringing Williams on as an offensive weapon kid has elite athleticism but is a raw as it gets. Then Walton re-classifies or whatever (official or not official) now that puts the staff in a rough position i don't think they expected Walton to do/be able to re-classify so now Walton has put pressure on the staff because can you honestly tell a kid not to re-classify if he really wants to? Now with the possible addition of Scarlett (if he commits) i see 2 RB's, an elite athlete and a 2016 kid wanting to join this class.

 

[Paranos]

Walter Tucker will most likely leave football in a year or two for the Olympics. Because to stay at FB/RB in college taking that type of pounding or adding more weight could jeopardize his hurdling ability. An if you have a chance to make the Olympics you go for it, this probably what Tokencane meant.

Marvin Bracy left FSU to run track professionally after his freshman year and signed a $1+ million dollar contract with adidas.
http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#story/os-fsu-marvin-bracy-signs-pro-track-adidas-20130511/


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