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Dwinstitles said:
Yes

The players we get are good but other teams who are elite have different dogs. The problem with most fans is the watch YT videos of our players and HUDL highlights. When you see other teams (the elite) they have different animals and the draft indicates that. If it were 2000 the NFL would not overlook our guys. It not because of wins its because those guys were elite and jumped off the film.

Fans are stuck in the past (i was one of them) i now realize those schools get other worldly athletes. If u watch recruiting and watch the elite squads they get beast man and the HS film shows beasts. Even NFL scouts say we arent the same its the truth.

Our team would look a whole lot different if we closed on the beasts that we lose on NSD. But teams are cheating as per a coach on this very team said. That little bit is the difference IMO

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I'm with you on this. I think as fans we want to be back so bad that we believe anyone with takent is the next Ed Reed, when in reality we're recruiting like FAU. While Bama, Clemson and OSU are recruiting guys on another level.
 
IndayArtHauz said:
This is what gets Miami fans “in trouble”:

1. Under the radar kid has great measurables out of HS. This generates a measure of expectation with him before he’s stepped onto the field.

2. In his first season on the field he starts to deliver on some of that promise. Projections start to settle in, a benchmark is established for his freshman/RS freshman year. This benchmark is fluid, really only requiring the kid to make a handful of key plays to justify his lofty college projection. (Amari Carter is a recent example.) We start to see his future and, this is the first key mistake, project a track of improvement. This track is often inaccurate, assuming a steady rate of growth in a human being who has limited (not small, just not unlimited) means of improvement.

3. The second critical error: after 1 possibly legitimate season we marry the track of improvement with an NFL projection. That projection is almost always “if he keeps improving, with his size, he could be a 1st rounder.” It’s not **** to say, “JJ needs to keep improving at a steady rate and have a favorably thin class at his position to get drafted on day 2.” Nobody says that, ever.

4. We do not reevaluate our expectations as that “projected player” fails to materialize. Mike Jack did not have a great year. It was fine, it was not what I personally expected. But I said to myself, “his size is an NFL ideal, it was just a down year, he’s a second day guy.” And he may have a career that reflects that, but I should’ve downgraded my expectations of his slot. Stacy Coley goes here, etc. We are quick to raise our projection on a guy, but slow to lower it. That’s just being a fan.

5. Guys like Willis artificially weigh down the outlook of a class. There’s no way to project that fall, it makes no sense. Couple that with guys sliding down a round or two later than we all expect and suddenly it looks like you overrate your players. Ultimately, I don’t think we do more than any other fan base. In fact, maintain that we are our own harshest critics, on the whole.
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I appreciate this response
BoxingRobes said:
A few addendums:

Many in our fanbase completely ignore the athletic testing our players perform during the pre-draft process. Its not as if some of these players are average or even below average players...they are going to be in the bottom 10% of all NFL athletes. This stuff matters. More and more teams are using advanced analytics, metrics, etc. for on field performance and also use the same data driven evaluations to help get outliers off of their board. Guys like Joe Jackson, Gerald Willis, and Jaquan Johnson were not even on a majority of team's draft board most likely because they failed to make qualifying scores during the process. Redwine and Mike Jackson were the first two 'Canes off the board...they were also the highest athletic testing performers from our class.

Many on this forum got it twisted...they think its a conspiracy against Miami players...when, I think most NFL teams give Miami players the benefit of the doubt in their projection to the NFL. Its why we still have so many players in the NFL despite being a pretty mediocre team for basically, 15 years.

One more...we as fans ignore aspects of these players that we consciously know are problematic. Our bewilderment with Gerald Willis is a prime example of this. We know his background and character are problematic for even the most kind of evaluators. We saw how poor his athletic testing was. We constantly complained about how soft our front seven can be. But, we loved the splash plays he made and the fact that he has a U on his helmet says we think he's going to be drafted high. If Gerald Willis played for another other team, knowing what we know about him...no one would support him as a draft pick. He just played for us, so we ignore all of the legitimately concerning aspects of his prospect profile.
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This almost proves my point. We never had to worry about outliers etc. Our players were just better than everyone else's. Now guys from Temple and Kentucky are getting drafted in the first round which begs the question 1) how did we miss on those guys and 2) how are our "best" players not better than those guys? (PS not trying to be a **** I'm honestly intesrested in this)
 
Our guys really lacked in the athletic department, which hurt there draft stock tremendously. Besides Redwine, everybody else numbers were average or below average. Redwine was first because he has the ideal size and speed, even though he was not as productive as both JJs. In college ones athletic numbers does not indicate their success, but once you get into NFL athleticism plays a huge role. MJ went later then I expected though.
 
We don’t prepare these guys physically in the weight room anymore, and the nfl has taken notice.
That’s the biggest difference.

Joe Jack would've been an animal at a place like LSU.
 
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Pretty amazing considering how the last five years looked on the field.

Are we producing elite first round guys like Alabama and Ohio State? Of course not, and that needs to change.

But we are churning out more talent than most schools in the country. And the Miami guys tend to perform in the NFL and stay there.
 
Taverndrunk99 said:
I'm with you on this. I think as fans we want to be back so bad that we believe anyone with takent is the next Ed Reed, when in reality we're recruiting like FAU. While Bama, Clemson and OSU are recruiting guys on another level.
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Recruiting like fau? Stick to hockey
 
Some of yall dudes are missing the point. Nobody is saying joe should of went 1st or 2nd round. But i seen some DEs go in the 3rd that weren't great athletes and wasn't as productive as joe.
 
Cane Velazquez said:
They do this because it allows them to blame coaching which almost everyone likes doing.
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Cane Velazquez said:
RBs, WRs, CBs and DEs.

Not many DTs, OTs, OGs.
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You seem to think blaming coaches is a convenient, if not lame, excuse, but then you admit we have been
perennially weak at certain positions (I would add QB to the list above).
So, tell me, who gets the blame for this?
 
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DMoney said:


Pretty amazing considering how the last five years looked on the field.

Are we producing elite first round guys like Alabama and Ohio State? Of course not, and that needs to change.

But we are churning out more talent than most schools in the country. And the Miami guys tend to perform in the NFL and stay there.
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Only the veterans here know what Miami guys performing in the NFL is all about. I’m talking all pros at every position, multiple HOF guys, POYs on both sides of the ball, entire units like the Bermuda Triangle in 92 playing over 35 years in the league, C Port Willis and Frank from the 01 teamgaining over 10,000 yards in their NFL careers. Reggie Santana. Dre and Shockey from the 2000 and 01squads, all making multiple pro bowls. Then there’s Jerome, Big Russ, Cortez and Sapp, Bennie, Darryl, Ed, Sean, and on and on and on. Those guys were elite and we’re difference makers, performed at a high level for years. We are not close elite,us older guys know elite.
 
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MedleyCane said:
You seem to think blaming coaches is a convenient, if not lame, excuse, but then you admit we have been
perennially weak at certain positions (I would add QB to the list above).
So, tell me, who gets the blame for this?
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Both can be true.

Fans are lazy and uninformed so blaming coaches is easy.

But the recruiting hasn't been good enough in the trenches.
 
DMoney said:


Pretty amazing considering how the last five years looked on the field.

Are we producing elite first round guys like Alabama and Ohio State? Of course not, and that needs to change.

But we are churning out more talent than most schools in the country. And the Miami guys tend to perform in the NFL and stay there.
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Which brings up an ugly image, D$ ... If you look at the numbers on that list, you have to wonder:

WTF have we been doing with the talent on the field all those years???
 
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