Former Player Insider's Perspective

[Clwtrdan]

Nuff said...
Mark Richt: 'My first impression was, where are all the big dudes?'

 

[Sooch]

Just please no more ppl from New Jersey. Golden, Kevin Olsen, AQM, Badgely can all kick rocks. Only one that's decent is Njoku and he hasn't lived up to the preseason hype either.

You are clueless. You think Golden was the only guy recruiting in NJ? Have you ever seen Jabril Peppers? Rashan Gary? Did you see Penn State beat OSU loaded with kids from NJ. This mentality of only recruiting Florida is as old as the **** dinosaurs. Njoku is a stud. You wont think he is overrated when he goes high in the draft. You don't want NJ? Let;s see how the D does against Quenton Nelson on ND's O-line this week. Another NJ stud who will be 1st team All American and you wouldn't want him on Miami? Clueless. I wouldnt be down on Gordinier. Before his unfortunate injury he was going to be a key guy on the defense. Check back in 3 years to see if he is another crappy NJ player.

 

[Uthe1]

Stinckn Thinkn I'm no football guru like a lot of the loyal hurricane faithful on this board,but I keep hearing that our players aren't physically able to get the job done on the feild i heard that only part of the game is physical and part is mental I've seen on TV where a lot of schools (mich.st,fsu,clem,etc) bring in i don't know if you call them psychologist,or what but they work on there mental state of mind,ive heard the term impose there will used to describe great ball players .I think we need mentally stong players,coaches,and fans I know my team is good I know we will win again . Luv U hate state

 

[Gatorhater]

Rick is the polar opposite of JJ and no one is revolting against him. Other than that, very insightful parallel, OP.

Got to agree with you. Plus, JJ was replacing god -- THE MAN who won our first NC just months before. Players want HC to come from his staff. Nobody wanted any coach from Golden's staff to become HC. JJ came in with chip bigger than all those players combined -- take this talent and kill OU with it. Mark should have similar chip. JJ was forced to keep Howard's leftovers; Mark got to clean house. When he fired his old roommate, Art, I had hope that he was a man possessed; then he hired his son and that hope fled. JJ had no mercy; Mark has The Bible. I am deeply religious but the good Marist brothers who educated me, made it clear -- mercy is for after the game.

Howard's guys won a NC, there was no reason to want to clean house.

Yes there was. HS' players were not suitable for JJ's system and philosophy. Too slow and lumbering. He tried to get them to play to his style. Not surprising that there was a problem with HS' old players and Jimmy. Some adapted, some couldn't. JJ had to work with what he had from Howard's old recruits and mold them to his style. After that, he had to recruit more to his philosophy.

Some of Howard's players responded very well. Look at the players who flourished under JJ's new attacking philosophy on defense: Stubbs, Jerome Brown, Bill Hawkins, Winston Moss, Bennie Blades, and some others.

Other players who did well for Howard were not suited for Jimmy's system. I'll bet a disproportionate number of the disaffected players were defensive players who did not fit well with Jimmy's philosophy. I suspect Jimmy was more of a terror on the practice field on defense, since he probably turned the players' aggressions loose.

I had heard a story in the 1980's from a UM alum who officiated HS games in western Pennsylvania. he would officiate college practices and described the difference between Joe Paterno's practices at PSU and the practices at Pitt when JJ was DC. The players were almost encouraged to engage in wars with one another at Pitt. JJ had no problem with fights between the offensive personnel and the defensive personnel. (Paterno on the other hand, would come down from his tower if a fight started and lecture the players on why they should become better players if they were frustrated). The guy who told me the story said he thought the reason UM had so many practice injuries under JJ is that he fostered this aggression in practices.

I suspect the old players could not adapt to JJ his first year; it took a while for the survivors to respond to JJ's system and philosophy. Not everybody from the Schnellenberger era could. Some were just not JJ type players. They were good players in a different system.

Still, I heard that Schnellenberger was no softie. I think I heard stories years ago that HS was feared by his players. If they saw him in the Hecht Center they would almost back against the wall waiting for some criticism. I don't know if I remember that correctly, or if that was an exaggeration. JJ was more of a players' coach for those who were able to cut it.

That's just my interpretation. Who knows if the stories I heard are accurate, or if I'm right. The HS to JJ change was a sea-change. On the other hand, the changes to Dennis Erickson and then to Coker were not as big. Apparently, Dennis was able to keep his defensive philosophy with Sonny Lubick and after Steve Walsh was not suitable for the new system as they all realized in spring practice, he was able to install a somewhat different philosophy with current personnel because he had Craig Erickson.

It seems this is a much bigger transition. I foolishly thought we'd move right along Apparently I didn't realize how much ground we had to make up, more of it on offense. And we're starting too many freshmen on defense. They're all very good but need a bit more seasoning.

I also had the impression that Va Tech was stronger and more physical. If I am right in that observation, I don't know how much is a weight room issue and how much is a youth issue, or both.

Good post. I new HS from Dolphins days with Shula. Certainly not a softie, maybe not JJ nasty but man did not take crap. Everything you say about JJ seems correct. At Greentree one day, I saw him take Jerome Brown, RIP, to the ground by his brill, stand straddling him while chewing him out for taking pays off in practice. I always thought our players we such bad a...es on the field because nobody on the other sideline scared them as much as JJ. HS play 3-4 or 5-2 as it was called then. His was much more aggressive than our dearly departed Golden and friends. JJ intended to destroy OU and the option with the speed that he was surrounded by.

Dennis and Larry were best with so much JJ/Butch and then just Butch recruited talent that they could anything as long as they let the boys be the boys. Both sucked in recruiting compare to JJ and Butch. By the time Randy and Golden came along, transition pains were meaningless because we just sucked on either side.

Mark should be a good enough coach to use the talent he was left without forcing it into a system it fit. I do not know enough to figure out what he is doing wrong on offense but the defense seems to have transitioned to what I call normal Miami defense and doing fairly well. Our offense has more historic variety in it with HS, JJ and Butch more two back QB under center pro style and Dennis strange one back deal. I never liked Dennis offense but two NCs kept me quiet. Our talent and speed seemed to make everything work well. My fear is that Mark is having as much trouble adjusting to Miami as Golden did. Golden wanted to change our defensive DNA. I hope Mark is smarter than that on the other side of the ball.

 

[KrazyCane]

Wait...

If Richt is so aware that our OL talent isn't where it needs to be then why is he calling "4-verts" versus a 6-man pressure?

When you have a poor OL you need to run "quick game" to get the ball out of your QB's hands and/or roll the pocket. Why haven't we seen any "quick game" concepts?

You do know that Coach RIcht is aware that Brad Kaaya is terrible in the "quick game" as well..... throwing 3 yard incompletions isn't going to get us back in the game??? I thought you would've realized that by know "coach"?

 

[Coach Macho]

Wait...

If Richt is so aware that our OL talent isn't where it needs to be then why is he calling "4-verts" versus a 6-man pressure?

When you have a poor OL you need to run "quick game" to get the ball out of your QB's hands and/or roll the pocket. Why haven't we seen any "quick game" concepts?

You do know that Coach RIcht is aware that Brad Kaaya is terrible in the "quick game" as well..... throwing 3 yard incompletions isn't going to get us back in the game??? I thought you would've realized that by know "coach"?

How the **** do YOU know what he's aware of?

You sound retarded. How can a QB be bad at quick game? What makes a QB bad at quick game? GTFOH

If there's one thing Kaaya can do, it's throw a 5-8 yard pass.

 

[Coach Macho]

"Well Brad can't throw 7 yard passes so what we're gonna do when VT loads up the box and sends six is run four deep routes! Those are much easier throws guy!"


LOL. The ****?!

 

[Scorpion]

Wait...

If Richt is so aware that our OL talent isn't where it needs to be then why is he calling "4-verts" versus a 6-man pressure?

When you have a poor OL you need to run "quick game" to get the ball out of your QB's hands and/or roll the pocket. Why haven't we seen any "quick game" concepts?

That's why I'm not understanding the kaaya hate from this year. Has he played like we expected? No but the play calling and oline has been worse. Albeit he should have thrown the ball away on some of the sacks but on a lot of those plays the receivers weren't even looking back to catch the ball and were running weird routes on 3rd downs

The Kaaya hate is completely unwarranted. A kid doesn't just magically get worse under a new staff. That's BS.

He's not getting rid of the ball because there's nobody to throw to!

Completely false and stupid statement. There is almost always somebody open in this offense. There have been multiple instances this year where there have been guys running wide open down the field and Kaaya missed them. He's not getting rid of the ball because he takes too **** long to read defenses and holds on to the ball too long.

 

[KrazyCane]

Wait...

If Richt is so aware that our OL talent isn't where it needs to be then why is he calling "4-verts" versus a 6-man pressure?

When you have a poor OL you need to run "quick game" to get the ball out of your QB's hands and/or roll the pocket. Why haven't we seen any "quick game" concepts?

You do know that Coach RIcht is aware that Brad Kaaya is terrible in the "quick game" as well..... throwing 3 yard incompletions isn't going to get us back in the game??? I thought you would've realized that by know "coach"?

How the **** do YOU know what he's aware of?

You sound retarded. How can a QB be bad at quick game? What makes a QB bad at quick game? GTFOH

If there's one thing Kaaya can do, it's throw a 5-8 yard pass.

Youre asking me how do I know what he's aware of but youre the one trying to challenge how aware he is as an offensive coordinator and head coach lol you are a clown

Brad Kaaya is terrible throwing 5-8 yard passes as well as any other pass, if you werent blind you would see that.

 

[KrazyCane]

Wait...

If Richt is so aware that our OL talent isn't where it needs to be then why is he calling "4-verts" versus a 6-man pressure?

When you have a poor OL you need to run "quick game" to get the ball out of your QB's hands and/or roll the pocket. Why haven't we seen any "quick game" concepts?

That's why I'm not understanding the kaaya hate from this year. Has he played like we expected? No but the play calling and oline has been worse. Albeit he should have thrown the ball away on some of the sacks but on a lot of those plays the receivers weren't even looking back to catch the ball and were running weird routes on 3rd downs

The Kaaya hate is completely unwarranted. A kid doesn't just magically get worse under a new staff. That's BS.

He's not getting rid of the ball because there's nobody to throw to!

Completely false and stupid statement. There is almost always somebody open in this offense. There have been multiple instances this year where there have been guys running wide open down the field and Kaaya missed them. He's not getting rid of the ball because he takes too **** long to read defenses and holds on to the ball too long.

so coach macho believes Kaaya magically got worse under a new staff like he wasn't terrible last year??? lol Macho plz for you to be a real coach you are terrible at observation.

 

[clg003]

Rick is the polar opposite of JJ and no one is revolting against him. Other than that, very insightful parallel, OP.

This is not what I am hearing at all. Nice and sweet in front of cameras but pretty driven, fair and an sob on the field. Face it, there are many players on this team from the Golden(Entitlement) era, and many that can't play, like Darling, that will not be here next year. He has already gotten rid of about 20 of them.

Dude logic no longer counts... Insider info to this dude is what inside his head.

 

[Uthe1]

Stinckn Thinkn I'm no football guru like a lot of the loyal hurricane faithful on this board,but I keep hearing that our players aren't physically able to get the job done on the feild i heard that only part of the game is physical and part is mental I've seen on TV where a lot of schools (mich.st,fsu,clem,etc) bring in i don't know if you call them psychologist,or what but they work on there mental state of mind,ive heard the term impose there will used to describe great ball players .I think we need mentally stong players,coaches,and fans I know my team is good I know we will win again . Luv U hate state

 

[The Franchise]

Nuff said...
Mark Richt: 'My first impression was, where are all the big dudes?'

So we're getting whipped up front because we're not big enough? Why'd we make everyone lose weight then?

 

[rok]

Our starting LT and C are probably not as big as you'd like for them to be.
The time I really noticed how much bigger some other teams are was when I stood next to some OSU OL back in 2010.
It's a different kind of girth.
We have length where we don't need it at LG but not enough girth and width at LT and C.
Isidora is a big guy, St. Louis is a big guy.
George Brown looks like could be a big black co-leader up front next year along with four seniors with a ton of combined starts.

 

[supacane]

What load of crap about talent. The OL seems under manned yes but the last time I checked the terrible part of our team under Golden has been the defense and they are doing fine. We look as bad on O as we did on D under No D. I do no care what Jimmy Johnson faced. It's 2016 and MR has coached long enough to be coaching better on O.....period

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[RickyDaKing]

Thanks bro

 

[kryptonite]

Wait...

If Richt is so aware that our OL talent isn't where it needs to be then why is he calling "4-verts" versus a 6-man pressure?

When you have a poor OL you need to run "quick game" to get the ball out of your QB's hands and/or roll the pocket. Why haven't we seen any "quick game" concepts?

That's why I'm not understanding the kaaya hate from this year. Has he played like we expected? No but the play calling and oline has been worse. Albeit he should have thrown the ball away on some of the sacks but on a lot of those plays the receivers weren't even looking back to catch the ball and were running weird routes on 3rd downs

The Kaaya hate is completely unwarranted. A kid doesn't just magically get worse under a new staff. That's BS.

He's not getting rid of the ball because there's nobody to throw to!

Completely false and stupid statement. There is almost always somebody open in this offense. There have been multiple instances this year where there have been guys running wide open down the field and Kaaya missed them. He's not getting rid of the ball because he takes too **** long to read defenses and holds on to the ball too long.

How many times? Where's the video of this? There are plenty of problems without you making stuff up.

 

[MedleyCane]

Syracuse's offense was 13th in the ACC last season averaging 319 yards per game. (2nd to last behind Boston College)
In Baber's first year they're ranked 2nd in the ACC averaging 486 yards per game.

VT is averaging more yards and more points per game in Fuente's first year than they were previously.

UNC's offense instantly got better in 2012 when Fedora arrived.




Obviously there's more games to be played but these guys all made a positive impact in their first season. It remains to be seen how Miami's offense will finish the season but so far they've looked completely inept versus the 4 ACC opponents they've faced.

And Syracuse is doing it with one WR who didn't play much at Maryland, another WR from North Miami Beach who wasn't highly recruited and
some other kid from Connecticut.
LOL at UM not having talent.

 

[MedleyCane]

Syracuse's offense was 13th in the ACC last season averaging 319 yards per game. (2nd to last behind Boston College)
In Baber's first year they're ranked 2nd in the ACC averaging 486 yards per game.

VT is averaging more yards and more points per game in Fuente's first year than they were previously.

UNC's offense instantly got better in 2012 when Fedora arrived.




Obviously there's more games to be played but these guys all made a positive impact in their first season. It remains to be seen how Miami's offense will finish the season but so far they've looked completely inept versus the 4 ACC opponents they've faced.

All of this.

 

[streetja]

Syracuse's offense was 13th in the ACC last season averaging 319 yards per game. (2nd to last behind Boston College)
In Baber's first year they're ranked 2nd in the ACC averaging 486 yards per game.

VT is averaging more yards and more points per game in Fuente's first year than they were previously.

UNC's offense instantly got better in 2012 when Fedora arrived.




Obviously there's more games to be played but these guys all made a positive impact in their first season. It remains to be seen how Miami's offense will finish the season but so far they've looked completely inept versus the 4 ACC opponents they've faced.

And Syracuse is doing it with one WR who didn't play much at Maryland, another WR from North Miami Beach who wasn't highly recruited and
some other kid from Connecticut.
LOL at UM not having talent.

Another season wasted at the univ of miami. Golden, Richt, Shannon - literally no difference.