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JamesQuall said:
Is what teams who don't win bowl games say. They're not championships or runner-ups like we want/ expect but let's be honest. If we were 12-1 in our bowl games instead of what we are, 1-12 we would be saying the exact opposite.
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I agree with what you are saying in principle, but bowl games are truly pointless now with the playoff, opt-outs, and the portal.
 
Ryanmilli said:
I agree with what you are saying in principle, but bowl games are truly pointless now with the playoff, opt-outs, and the portal.
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I agree as well but it’s like a fighter with a 1-12 record and their excuse is they’re not really trying because the opponents aren’t tough enough.

If the opponents aren’t tough enough, why are you 1-12? Because the opponents aren’t tough enough and the stage isn’t big enough. Well wouldn’t that mean you would have a better record? No because it doesn’t matter…

So I get it because it doesn’t mean anything but beating Georgia Tech, UNC, BC regularly doesn’t mean anything either and we don’t beat them regularly. So at what point does it matter and at what point are we able to say this program has underperformed full-stop without caveats or conditions because it’s true?
 
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JamesQuall said:
I agree as well but it’s like a fighter with a 1-12 record and their excuse is they’re not really trying because the opponents aren’t tough enough.

If the opponents aren’t tough enough, why are you 1-12? Because the opponents aren’t tough enough and the stage isn’t big enough. Well wouldn’t that mean you would have a better record? No because it doesn’t matter…

So I get it because it doesn’t mean anything but beating Georgia Tech, UNC, BC regularly doesn’t mean anything either and we don’t beat them regularly. So at what point does it matter and at what point are we able to say this program has underperformed full-stop without caveats or conditions because it’s true?
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Yeah, I was one who thought it was at least somewhat important to win the Pop Tarts Bowl last year when that debate was going on here. Just the optics of the 11th win and ending the season with some momentum after just missing the playoff seemed important. In the end it may not have made any practical difference, and the second half was basically a B team scrimmage on our side, but winning always beats the alternative.
 
HurricanesR1 said:
1-12 in bowl games is nothing to just blow off. It represents our horrendous play down the stretch for a long time now.
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There are plenty of more meaningful stats to show that. How we did in the Sun Bowl or Russell Athletic Bowl is not. With player opt outs, etc…
 
TheATLCane said:
There are plenty of more meaningful stats to show that. How we did in the Sun Bowl or Russell Athletic Bowl is not. With player opt outs, etc…
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Maybe - but mentioning 1-12 in bowl games is the easiest stat to point out.

People can spin it all they want but that record is trash. We should NEVER get shut out by Louisiana Tech and IDGAF what bowl we're playing in or how many players opt out

If we were 12-1, the same people would be using that stat to help get an erection.
 
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HurricanesR1 said:
Maybe - but mentioning 1-12 in bowl games is the easiest stat to point out.

People can spin it all they want but that record is trash. We should NEVER get shut out by Louisiana Tech and IDGAF what bowl we're playing in or how many players opt out

If we were 12-1, the same people would be using that stat to help get an erection.
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It's a stat for morons is what it is. "Easiest stat to point out". More like laziest stat to point out.

13 ****** bowl games, not one of which was in January. OK, the 2017 Orange Bowl was a good bowl, so let's make it 12 ****** bowl games.

Randy Shannon (2)
Jeff Stoutland
Al Golden (2)
Larry Scott
Mark Richt (3)
Manny Diaz (2)

So that total includes THREE fired head coaches (Miami has only fired four head coaches in the entire history of our football program) and two interim coaches. Unfortunately, Mark Richt only went 1-2, everyone else lost all their games. Maybe we should bring back Larry Coker, who went 4-2 in bowl games. You know, if we just want some easy/lazy stats to point out.

Why don't we just state the truth and stop living in the past? We have hired some bad coaches. Which, of course, has no bearing or control on whether we can win bowl games in the future.

What a worthless stat. "1-12 in bowl games". We truly have some lazy non-fans.
 
Ryanmilli said:
Yeah, I was one who thought it was at least somewhat important to win the Pop Tarts Bowl last year when that debate was going on here. Just the optics of the 11th win and ending the season with some momentum after just missing the playoff seemed important. In the end it may not have made any practical difference, and the second half was basically a B team scrimmage on our side, but winning always beats the alternative.
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My whole issue with this “debate” has been the inability to use words other than meaningless

Not saying you but it’s just a dumb hyperbolic nonsense word

Is the pop tarts bowl a big deal? No. Is it life or death? No.

Does it ******* matter in some way to a team that has 1 bowl win since many fans have been alive? Yes. Yes it does. And it matters to many players that play in the game and the coaches

So when dorks get on a message board and say it’s meaningless from their couches it’s just laughable really
 
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JD08 said:
Does anyone have any doubt at all that we'd have won the bowl game had Ward stayed in?
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None.

As I said, at the beginning of the third quarter I turned to the suite next to mine (which turned out to be the Iowa State president's suite) and congratulated them on winning the game.
 
JHallCanes said:
My whole issue with this “debate” has been the inability to use words other than meaningless

Not saying you but it’s just a dumb hyperbolic nonsense word

Is the pop tarts bowl a big deal? No. Is it life or death? No.

Does it ******* matter in some way to a team that has 1 bowl win since many fans have been alive? Yes. Yes it does. And it matters to many players that play in the game and the coaches

So when dorks get on a message board and say it’s meaningless from their couches it’s just laughable really
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Setting aside your comments on dorkiness, I have been arguing that most bowls are meaningless for decades.

Do they exist? Yes. Do they sell tickets? Yes. Are the outcomes recorded? Yes.

So there is some modicum of reality to the concept that the games actually transpire and "mean" something to those in attendance.

But most of the games have never counted in the conference standings or impacted the AP/ESPN rankings that anyone cares about (i.e., the Top 5). The teams are frequently coached by interim head coaches. The games were originally set up as "chamber of commerce" events in warm-weather locations, but they have become excuses to get "one more day's rental" for such ridiculous stadiums as Yankee Stadium in such ridiculous college football locales as New York City.

And whatever de minimis "meaning" some people may have attached in the past is fast declining. The games/shirts/trophies are now just known for whatever-company-sponsors-us-this-year. The players routinely opt out, and most players have given "NBA All Star" effort for years.

Most bowl games are, essentially, meaningless. That's just reality. I loved paying intramural football in college too, but it didn't mean anything.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
It's a stat for morons is what it is. "Easiest stat to point out". More like laziest stat to point out.

13 ****** bowl games, not one of which was in January. OK, the 2017 Orange Bowl was a good bowl, so let's make it 12 ****** bowl games.

Randy Shannon (2)
Jeff Stoutland
Al Golden (2)
Larry Scott
Mark Richt (3)
Manny Diaz (2)

So that total includes THREE fired head coaches (Miami has only fired four head coaches in the entire history of our football program) and two interim coaches. Unfortunately, Mark Richt only went 1-2, everyone else lost all their games. Maybe we should bring back Larry Coker, who went 4-2 in bowl games. You know, if we just want some easy/lazy stats to point out.

Why don't we just state the truth and stop living in the past? We have hired some bad coaches. Which, of course, has no bearing or control on whether we can win bowl games in the future.

What a worthless stat. "1-12 in bowl games". We truly have some lazy non-fans.
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Ok you should've left it alone and not gone with your "lazy" remark because now I'm gonna really embarrass you with some grown *** man research since a simple "lazy" bowl stat didn't satisfy you.

By your logic, Mario is also a bad coach. He's 0-2 in bowl games, which is the same start Shannon, Golden and Diaz had. Mario is also 4-10 in the final two months of the season, which is worse than Diaz.

Let's dive further into our bad finishes since the bowl record isn't good enough for you. We'll only look at November and December since that includes the final stretch.

2024: 2-3
2023: 1-4
2022: 1-3
2021: 3-1
2020: 3-2
2019: 2-3
2018: 2-3
2017: 3-3
2016: 5-0
2015: 3-2
2014: 1-4
2013: 2-4
2012: 3-1
2011: 2-2
2010: 2-3
2009: 3-2
2008: 2-3
2007: 0-4

That's a 40-47 record in November/December games from 2007-2024.

We've SUCKED down the stretch for nearly 20 years, no matter who the head coach has been. If I'm a fake fan, you're a dumbass naive fan. For the last time, non-homer fans trigger you. People living in the real world have seen for two decades that the Miami football program has been far from what homers like yourself make it out to be. Miami has not turned the corner yet with Mario.

You said to "state the truth and stop living in the past". Well the truth is above and the only one living in the past is you since your belief is the U is still on a 1987 level. The point is we've been seeing the same garbage late in the season in 2024 as we did in 2010.

0 ACC Championships, 0 Playoff Appearances and only 1 ACC Champ Game appearance, which we were blown out in 38-3.

And that, my friends, is how you KO TOC.

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