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Food for Thought

lurk said:
Since we have not been relevant for about 15 years (except for 2017), perhaps what we (me absolutely included) UM fans are known for has not been the secret solution.

Everyone's butt hurt (me absolutely included) from starting the year at number 8, on the heals of Richt getting us to 10-0 and number 2 at one point last year (thumping a decent Virginia Tech and a very good Notre Dame team--- all with Mailk Rosier as the QB, for God's sake).

But remember how we same posters (#metoo) were trashing Golden silly after season two and three and four (and much of five) trying to run off recruits telling them "NO RECRUIT SHOULD CONSIDER MIAMI BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH TERRIBLE COACHES" ? I know I remember that--- I was one of them!

Well, the recruits that weren't scared off--- the recruits that weren't worthy of being offered bags and chose to come to UM when we posters thought they were idiots to come to Miami---- well, THOSE ARE THE GUYS RICHT IS COACHING NOW.

I sure as **** ain't saying we will win the NC in spite of the bags at the SEC schools, etc, etc, but I know that if Richt quits or is fired someday in the next four years, we would be SELFISH AND PROTECTING OUR OWN INTEREST BY NOT (me included) BEING A BUNCH OF SNIVILING LITTLE CRY-BABIES THAT HAVE SO MUCH ANIMOSITY FOR GETTING OUR EXPECTATIONS SO HIGH AND NOT HAVING THE TEAM EXCEED THEM.

After all, the coach that follows Richt one day would be easier to recruit if we (me included) weren't such buttholes AND the team was stocked with players recruited to a supportive, stable environment.

Is it something to consider that Georgia was able to hire Smart and win (predominantly) with Richt's players recruited in a supportive, stable environment.

I know the tendency is to flame away at anyone who doesn't flame away at the coaches (or even in a tribute to DJax, of all places) (similarly, I saw a resuscitated post recently after the LSU game that went savage on Richt for hiring and keeping Diaz, of all people) but I for one am realizing that maybe, just maybe I should be a little more thoughtful and realizing that what Richt inherited (3 years of substandered recruiting by AL) was not exactly a cupboard full, and last year's perfect start was a sign of what IS POSSIBLE if we are a bit more selfish and think of what environment will get UM back sooner than later.

Before you knee-jerk react, please read a second time. Really, PLEASE reread. You may still disagree but perhaps you might realize this FOOD FOR THOUGHT is actually worthy of consideration-- especially if you're selfish for UM's to succeed.


PS1Nothing herein changes my opinion that Richt made a mistake by not staying with Perry from the FSU game on. And nothing herein changes my PREFERENCE that we Richt hires a great offensive coordinator who can choose to keep Searles, or not.

PS2 Nothing in PS1 changes anything I said prior to PS1
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Richt has 3 classes of his own now.

Recruits don’t care what u say on cis, they care that they go to a system that suits them, with coaches to develop them, and a to a team that will play them early.

It’s dillusional to think u hold any sway over those kids.
 
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305to954 said:
Dabo had at least 3 years of struggling and a couple more years until clemon stopped “clemsoning”..he was 6-7 in year 3 after winning 9 games the previous year
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Dabo was a first time HC and was learning on the job. That's to be expected. You same Richt supporters preach about what he's done at Georgia. This is why he's not afforded the same excuse. Saban also went 5-7 his first year at Alabama, Taggart went 5-7 his first year at FSU, I'm guessing Taggart's the next Saban by your logic.
 
1mg of Epi said:
Richt has 3 classes of his own now.

Recruits don’t care what u say on cis, they care that they go to a system that suits them, with coaches to develop them, and a to a team that will play them early.

It’s dillusional to think u hold any sway over those kids.
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In Richt's first 2 years, the board was overwhelmingly positive, yet we still struck out on certain blue chip recruits. That's the nature of recruiting, but our positivity sure didn't have an affect. Now our negativity does? Strange.
 
lurk said:
He lost that year in the Meineke Car Care Bowl to South Florida on his way to a 1-3 bowl record, and, for history sake, he showed up for the job interview as an assistant (like Shannon) and with a binder of ideas (ala Golden).

Would I and the rest of our fans have run him off before he built the jaugernaut that is now
consistently near the top of the heap.

If I'm being honest with myself, I would have been in the middle of the pack carrying torches, pitchforks and trying to get everyone to fly planes with banners saying, "DABO'S A DUMBO, GIVE HIM THE HEAVE-HO"

I would have been short-sighted.
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Dabo at the time, was a first time HC. He proved that he's willing to overhaul his staff if need be.

Richt had 15 years of HC experiencing in the SEC. What we learned during that time is that he only puts people that he's comfortable with around him. The one time UGA admin made a hiring choice for him, it was Pruitt. Pruitt was disgusted with how Richt ran his program that he got into it with Richt. This is the same Pruitt that coached for years under Saban, was the DC for the Seminoles last national title and knows what a championship program is supposed to look like.

You can site being short-sighted for Dabo's tenure. I can cite not learning from history as being a bigger concern.
 
lurk said:
As I've said before, 100% of us are disappointed. Maybe me more than most. I really, really wanted this year to be great. I watch all the spring interviews. The work the team was doing. It was exciting. How much worse could Rosier be? Although we we're moving into year 3/4 of the Golden OL recruits, how bad could they be? Feagles was a well regarded punter from a UM/NFL pedigree. Richards was coming back. We were ranked 8/9. Exciting. We're back. Oops.

His "yes men" staff and "archaic" offense worked fine in 2017. And is the offense really that archaic? As I recall FSU was not an RPO heavy team. Nor was Georgia.

And he very much plays the younger guy. Not every young guy has overtaken a spot.

But YES. We are all disappointed. And should be. And hope we get some more stud recruits in the next 2 years to massively overfill the folks left behind by Golden's final 2 classes.

(My PS1 and PS2 still apply from my initial screed)
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We were ranked 59th last year in total offense. How is that fine? We rode that season off of our defense. Which is a recurring theme after analyzing Richt's first 3 years at Miami.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2017-team-offense.html
 
@lurk

I saw neither the words "Blake" nor "James" in your post; Yet you claim to be discussing the issues with UM football.

That's kinda like talking about why someone is overweight without mentioning their daily caloric intake.
 
orange&green84 said:
Dabo was a first time HC and was learning on the job. That's to be expected. You same Richt supporters preach about what he's done at Georgia. This is why he's not afforded the same excuse. Saban also went 5-7 his first year at Alabama, Taggart went 5-7 his first year at FSU, I'm guessing Taggart's the next Saban by your logic.
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When u come to a new program..you start from scratch dude..your missing my whole point. My point is when your building a program no matter your previous exp you need at least 4-5 years. So the fact that ppl like u are calling for Richts head after 9–4 10-4 then a lack luster 8-5 or 7-6 year is premature..it’s not about personally supporting MR. I did the same thing with Golden and Shannon.worse part is y’all pretend like this program hasn’t been in the gutter for 15 years prior to richt arriving
 
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orange&green84 said:
In Richt's first 2 years, the board was overwhelmingly positive, yet we still struck out on certain blue chip recruits. That's the nature of recruiting, but our positivity sure didn't have an affect. Now our negativity does? Strange.
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Yea right? Weird.
 
lurk said:
As I've said before, 100% of us are disappointed. Maybe me more than most. I really, really wanted this year to be great. I watch all the spring interviews. The work the team was doing. It was exciting. How much worse could Rosier be? Although we we're moving into year 3/4 of the Golden OL recruits, how bad could they be? Feagles was a well regarded punter from a UM/NFL pedigree. Richards was coming back. We were ranked 8/9. Exciting. We're back. Oops.

His "yes men" staff and "archaic" offense worked fine in 2017. And is the offense really that archaic? As I recall FSU was not an RPO heavy team. Nor was Georgia.

And he very much plays the younger guy. Not every young guy has overtaken a spot.

But YES. We are all disappointed. And should be. And hope we get some more stud recruits in the next 2 years to massively overfill the folks left behind by Golden's final 2 classes.

(My PS1 and PS2 still apply from my initial screed)
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First off, Richts offense was NOT working fine he first 2 years. Not even close.

Second, richt hasn’t been an OC for 10+ years, so not sure what you’re looking at.
 
305to954 said:
When u come to a new program..you start from scratch dude..your missing my whole point. My point is when your building a program no matter your previous exp you need at least 4-5 years. So the fact that ppl like u are calling for Richts head after 9–4 10-4 then a lack luster 8-5 or 7-6 year is premature..it’s not about personally supporting MR. I did the same thing with Golden and Shannon.worse part is y’all pretend like this program hasn’t been in the gutter for 15 years prior to richt arriving
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A coach doesn’t need 5 years to beat teams he clearly outclasses talent wise. U wanna give him 5 years to beat a Clemson? Ok I’m good with that. He shouldn’t be struggling bs uva in year one, let alone 3.
 
orange&green84 said:
We were ranked 59th last year in total offense. How is that fine? We rode that season off of our defense. Which is a recurring theme after analyzing Richt's first 3 years at Miami.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2017-team-offense.html
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The #16 and #24 teams on that list got thumped by Miami in 2017.

Offense fine means that we got to 10-0 and #2 because the offense did enough to win the games when the defense (under not too long ago whipping boy Diaz) was not as stellar.

Its not yet anywhere close to what any of us want, me especially.

But a mature, quality offensive line, Nkosi or Jarren (or Weldon) and receivers (coached by everyone's favorite, Dugans) start catching the **** ball, the offense might start pulling it's weight.

Candidly, the biggest thing I want to see is us recruit a great punter. Can I get one of those? Please?
 
1mg of Epi said:
A coach doesn’t need 5 years to beat teams he clearly outclasses talent wise. U wanna give him 5 years to beat a Clemson? Ok I’m good with that. He shouldn’t be struggling bs uva in year one, let alone 3.
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There is more to our teams struggles this year than the suggestion we were just outcoached by lesser talented teams man..that’s such a short sited answer to our struggles imo
 
305to954 said:
There is more to our teams struggles this year than the suggestion we were just outcoached by lesser talented teams man..that’s such a short sited answer to our struggles imo
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The offense is a mess. Top to bottom. OL sucks, QB sucks, and OC refused to game plan for that fact.

But still, there’s a baseline level of production that should be reached with what talent is there. A better coaching staff would’ve hit that baseline. A good coaching staff would’ve exceeded it.

What we’ve seen is a bad coaching staff not reaching minimum benchmarks. A offense regressing each year.

That’s coaching, it’s pretty easy to see. I know it’s more comfortable to believe that coaching isn’t the problem. Unfortunately it is a problem.

If u want an example, look at Dno vs Diaz.
 
1mg of Epi said:
A coach doesn’t need 5 years to beat teams he clearly outclasses talent wise. U wanna give him 5 years to beat a Clemson? Ok I’m good with that. He shouldn’t be struggling bs uva in year one, let alone 3.
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Weird. In his third year, Dabo lost to South Florida, Randy Shannon and Boston College--- amongst their 7 losses.

But he did thump both Presbyterian and North Texas amongst his 5 victories.

At Clemson, with all that $ and recruiting gold mine they should have never lost more than 3 games.

I'm kidding of course, but you get the drift!


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305to954 said:
When u come to a new program..you start from scratch dude..your missing my whole point. My point is when your building a program no matter your previous exp you need at least 4-5 years. So the fact that ppl like u are calling for Richts head after 9–4 10-4 then a lack luster 8-5 or 7-6 year is premature..it’s not about personally supporting MR. I did the same thing with Golden and Shannon.worse part is y’all pretend like this program hasn’t been in the gutter for 15 years prior to richt arriving
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People are calling for Richt's head now because we already know he's going to stick with the staff and isn't going to make changes. This is what he did at UGA, and this is what he's going to do at Miami. Only reason he made changes at UGA is because their admin forced him to. He won't get that from Blake James. The problem with Richt is he's flagrantly mishandled this season, particularly the QB position. And just because we haven't been elite for the last 15 years, doesn't mean Richt deserves to slide with mediocre results.

Also, I brought up Richt's tenure because you slurpers keep mentioning Dabo in year 3. Dabo was a first time HC, Richt isn't. Or do you not see the difference?
 
lurk said:
Weird. In his third year, Dabo lost to South Florida, Randy Shannon and Boston College--- amongst their 7 losses.

But he did thump both Presbyterian and North Texas amongst his 5 victories.

At Clemson, with all that $ and recruiting gold mine they should have never lost more than 3 games.

I'm kidding of course, but you get the drift!


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You really are ready to go down with the ship on this argument. Dabo was a first time HC when he took over at Clemson. He didn't have 15 years of experience like Richt does. Dabo had to build that program up and learn along the way. Dabo made changes when necessary. It took Richt's bosses to force him to make changes while he was at UGA. If you don't see the issues, I can't help you.
 
lurk said:
The #16 and #24 teams on that list got thumped by Miami in 2017.

Offense fine means that we got to 10-0 and #2 because the offense did enough to win the games when the defense (under not too long ago whipping boy Diaz) was not as stellar.

Its not yet anywhere close to what any of us want, me especially.

But a mature, quality offensive line, Nkosi or Jarren (or Weldon) and receivers (coached by everyone's favorite, Dugans) start catching the **** ball, the offense might start pulling it's weight.

Candidly, the biggest thing I want to see is us recruit a great punter. Can I get one of those? Please?
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We're bringing in a JUCO punter. And people really need to stop judging a unit's productivity based on overall record. Being ranked #59 and now in the 90's in year 3 shows that this unit is going backwards. In year 4 it's all supposed to start coming together, even though Richt hinted that he's not making changes. Dan Orlovsky during the GT game literally picked our offense apart telling everyone that this was an archaic scheme and needed to be updated. Keep your pointless crusade up, I have an NFL backup QB for 12 years and current college football analyst supporting my argument.
 
lurk said:
Weird. In his third year, Dabo lost to South Florida, Randy Shannon and Boston College--- amongst their 7 losses.

But he did thump both Presbyterian and North Texas amongst his 5 victories.

At Clemson, with all that $ and recruiting gold mine they should have never lost more than 3 games.

I'm kidding of course, but you get the drift!


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U kidding dude?

Oh wait u are... ok!

So tell me about dabos staff changes.
 
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