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orange&green84 said:
Yeah, because our criticism is completely unwarranted.

https://sports.yahoo.com/five-disappointing-college-football-teams-2018-140516361.html
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I am disappointed too. Who wouldn't be?

Of the top 20 teams, 5 had very disappointing years. We were one of those. Many others that started top 20 were major disappointments that didn't make the top 5 list.

Knowing our QBs, OL, losing Richards at LSU, and the disaster of a punter(s). Was top 20 realistic?

With some more beneficial finishes, and more buckets full of turnovers, like in 2017, yes. Otherwise, probably not.

Diappointment is a function of having yourself believe something wonderful is going to happen, but it doesn't.

I assure you that every single person reading this, replying or otherwise, is disappointed in our 2018. None of this changes my initial post.

PS Of the top 20 teams preseason, most of those that had been ranked 6-20 (other than Notre Dame) are maybe àt least a little disappointed.
 
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lurk said:
I am disappointed too. Who wouldn't be?

Of the top 20 teams, 5 had very disappointing years. We were one of those. Many others that started top 20 were major disappointments that didn't make the top 5 list.

Knowing our QBs, OL, losing Richards at LSU, and the disaster of a punter(s). Was top 20 realistic?

With some more beneficial finishes, and more buckets full of turnovers, like in 2017, yes. Otherwise, probably not.

Diappointment is a function of having yourself believe something wonderful is going to happen, but it doesn't.

I assure you that every single person reading this, replying or otherwise, is disappointed in our 2018. None of this changes my initial post.
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The disappointment stems from something that Richt could fix. He saddled himself with a "yes man" staff around him. He decided to hire his kid as QB coach whom was qualified. He decided to stick with an archaic offensive scheme that worked 30 years ago, even though his colleagues who have more cache in their resume's have changed with the times. He's the one that keeps sticking by upper classmen regardless of the youth being the better option. Fans are upset because those whom have analyzed Richt's career, knows deep down that there's really no change coming voluntarily. That's why we're disappointed.
 
JOE'CANE said:
Smh, I guess your intent was good but geeezzzz focus on the simple fact that even with the worst Golden recruiting class we should win the Coastal, (worse division in the P5) and there is absolutely NOOOOO!!!! excuse for losing 4 in a row in the ACC.
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I know the knee jerk reaction to why it has not happened in 15 years (other than with Richt in 2017), is because Richt is as bad as the other horrible hires... and that the solution is easy: there is a long line of coaches that the UM administration will hire and is willing to be hired is chalk full of absolute sure fire winners.

But I am not as certain as you of that fact.
 
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orange&green84 said:
The disappointment stems from something that Richt could fix. He saddled himself with a "yes man" staff around him. He decided to hire his kid as QB coach whom was qualified. He decided to stick with an archaic offensive scheme that worked 30 years ago, even though his colleagues who have more cache in their resume's have changed with the times. He's the one that keeps sticking by upper classmen regardless of the youth being the better option. Fans are upset because those whom have analyzed Richt's career, knows deep down that there's really no change coming voluntarily. That's why we're disappointed.
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As I've said before, 100% of us are disappointed. Maybe me more than most. I really, really wanted this year to be great. I watch all the spring interviews. The work the team was doing. It was exciting. How much worse could Rosier be? Although we we're moving into year 3/4 of the Golden OL recruits, how bad could they be? Feagles was a well regarded punter from a UM/NFL pedigree. Richards was coming back. We were ranked 8/9. Exciting. We're back. Oops.

His "yes men" staff and "archaic" offense worked fine in 2017. And is the offense really that archaic? As I recall FSU was not an RPO heavy team. Nor was Georgia.

And he very much plays the younger guy. Not every young guy has overtaken a spot.

But YES. We are all disappointed. And should be. And hope we get some more stud recruits in the next 2 years to massively overfill the folks left behind by Golden's final 2 classes.

(My PS1 and PS2 still apply from my initial screed)
 
Dabo was fighting with Clemson fans last week because they’re undefeated but only beat their rival by 21. Clemson fans have been bytching and moaning because they’re not winning impressively enough.
 
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Serious question.

Do you think a significant number, any number, of recruits or players make decisions based on what fans say or think?
 
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lurk said:
Perhaps getting to #2 in the country 10 games in with Malik Rosier as QB, and a roster of players that Golden, of all imbecciles, was able to recruit (and an offensive line recruited by Kehoe) was Richt and staff doing a fair amount with fairly little. You obviously have a differing opinions.

But the "more with less" is all about a time slice. Few places go from 15 year ****show to BIGSHOW in one uninterrupted meteoric climb. Clemson with Dabo. UM in the 80's. Some more, but not a ton.

At least this is what I have come to consider.
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After deep thought consideration. I consider Richtirement to be the coach we don't want.
 
lurk said:
Perhaps getting to #2 in the country 10 games in with Malik Rosier as QB, and a roster of players that Golden, of all imbecciles, was able to recruit (and an offensive line recruited by Kehoe) was Richt and staff doing a fair amount with fairly little. You obviously have a differing opinions.

But the "more with less" is all about a time slice. Few places go from 15 year ****show to BIGSHOW in one uninterrupted meteoric climb. Clemson with Dabo. UM in the 80's. Some more, but not a ton.

At least this is what I have come to consider.
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Dabo had at least 3 years of struggling and a couple more years until clemon stopped “clemsoning”..he was 6-7 in year 3 after winning 9 games the previous year
 
305to954 said:
Dabo had at least 3 years of struggling and a couple more years until clemon stopped “clemsoning”..he was 6-7 in year 3 after winning 9 games the previous year
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He lost that year in the Meineke Car Care Bowl to South Florida on his way to a 1-3 bowl record, and, for history sake, he showed up for the job interview as an assistant (like Shannon) and with a binder of ideas (ala Golden).

Would I and the rest of our fans have run him off before he built the jaugernaut that is now
consistently near the top of the heap.

If I'm being honest with myself, I would have been in the middle of the pack carrying torches, pitchforks and trying to get everyone to fly planes with banners saying, "DABO'S A DUMBO, GIVE HIM THE HEAVE-HO"

I would have been short-sighted.
 
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TC7D said:
Funny how other coaches are able to do a lot more with a lot less.
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Fact is a lot of canes are household names because of their nfl days.every player on every team we play based on that fact alone those players will give us they're best shot they can.plus it doesn't help when our coaches don't game plan around our weaknesses.we've seen it on both sides of ball from the last two coaching regimes.and we've seen the lack of developing players for the last 4 regimes.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Good point. Recruits/players notice what fans "say" via attendance/crowd noise at home/away games.

Agree.
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You gonna pretend that our fanbases negativity doesn’t at all effect anything.,that it’s just white noise..that’s very naive..if that was the case tho..then why go on social media and rant about what makes y’all upset?? It’s not just white noise. These kids see the dumb **** on social media, then show up to the games and see the fickle sensitive fans not show up..so yeah it does in some ways effect a recruits exprience
 
lurk said:
Since we have not been relevant for about 15 years (except for 2017), perhaps what we (me absolutely included) UM fans are known for has not been the secret solution.

Everyone's butt hurt (me absolutely included) from starting the year at number 8, on the heals of Richt getting us to 10-0 and number 2 at one point last year (thumping a decent Virginia Tech and a very good Notre Dame team--- all with Mailk Rosier as the QB, for God's sake).

But remember how we same posters (#metoo) were trashing Golden silly after season two and three and four (and much of five) trying to run off recruits telling them "NO RECRUIT SHOULD CONSIDER MIAMI BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH TERRIBLE COACHES" ? I know I remember that--- I was one of them!

Well, the recruits that weren't scared off--- the recruits that weren't worthy of being offered bags and chose to come to UM when we posters thought they were idiots to come to Miami---- well, THOSE ARE THE GUYS RICHT IS COACHING NOW.

I sure as **** ain't saying we will win the NC in spite of the bags at the SEC schools, etc, etc, but I know that if Richt quits or is fired someday in the next four years, we would be SELFISH AND PROTECTING OUR OWN INTEREST BY NOT (me included) BEING A BUNCH OF SNIVILING LITTLE CRY-BABIES THAT HAVE SO MUCH ANIMOSITY FOR GETTING OUR EXPECTATIONS SO HIGH AND NOT HAVING THE TEAM EXCEED THEM.

After all, the coach that follows Richt one day would be easier to recruit if we (me included) weren't such buttholes AND the team was stocked with players recruited to a supportive, stable environment.

Is it something to consider that Georgia was able to hire Smart and win (predominantly) with Richt's players recruited in a supportive, stable environment.

I know the tendency is to flame away at anyone who doesn't flame away at the coaches (or even in a tribute to DJax, of all places) (similarly, I saw a resuscitated post recently after the LSU game that went savage on Richt for hiring and keeping Diaz, of all people) but I for one am realizing that maybe, just maybe I should be a little more thoughtful and realizing that what Richt inherited (3 years of substandered recruiting by AL) was not exactly a cupboard full, and last year's perfect start was a sign of what IS POSSIBLE if we are a bit more selfish and think of what environment will get UM back sooner than later.

Before you knee-jerk react, please read a second time. Really, PLEASE reread. You may still disagree but perhaps you might realize this FOOD FOR THOUGHT is actually worthy of consideration-- especially if you're selfish for UM's to succeed.


PS1Nothing herein changes my opinion that Richt made a mistake by not staying with Perry from the FSU game on. And nothing herein changes my PREFERENCE that we Richt hires a great offensive coordinator who can choose to keep Searles, or not.

PS2 Nothing in PS1 changes anything I said prior to PS1
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Richt has 3 classes of his own now.

Recruits don’t care what u say on cis, they care that they go to a system that suits them, with coaches to develop them, and a to a team that will play them early.

It’s dillusional to think u hold any sway over those kids.
 
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