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[TedHendricksOffspring]

Did you really link the USC press announcement to validate they were happy about the hire???

LOL

Carroll was named the Trojans' head coach on December 15, 2000, signing a five-year contract after USC had gone through a tumultuous 18-day search to replace fired coach Paul Hackett. He was not the Trojans' first choice, and was considered a long shot as the USC Athletic Department under Director Mike Garrett initially planned to hire a high-profile coach with recent college experience. Meanwhile Carroll, who had not coached in over a year and not coached in the college ranks since 1983, drew unfavorable comparisons to the outgoing Hackett.

USC first pursued then Oregon State coach Dennis Erickson, who instead signed a contract extension with the Beavers; then Oregon coach Mike Bellotti, who similarly signed an extension. The search then moved to the San Diego Chargers coach Mike Riley, who had been an assistant coach at USC before later becoming the head coach of Oregon State. Stuck in contractual obligations to the Chargers (who were still in the midst of an NFL season) and hesitating about moving his family, Riley was unable to give a firm answer, opening an opportunity for Carroll, the school's fourth choice.

Carroll actively pursued the position, as his daughter, Jaime, was then a player on the school's successful volleyball team.[18] After the first three primary candidates turned down the position, USC hired Carroll. Under Garrett, USC had tried to recruit Carroll to be their head coach in 1997, while he was coaching the Patriots, but Carroll was unable to take the position. The second time the opening came up, Daryl Gross, then senior associate athletic director for USC, recommended Carroll to Garrett based on his experience as a former scout for the New York Jets while Carroll coached there. Garrett cited Carroll's intelligence, energy and reputation as a defensive specialist as reasons for his hire.
The choice of Carroll for USC's head coaching position was openly criticized by the media and many USC fans, primarily because of USC's stagnation under the outgoing Hackett and Carroll's record as a head coach in the NFL and being nearly two decades removed from the college level. Garrett took particular criticism for the hire, with the press tying his future with Carroll's after he had to fire two head coaches in four years for USC's premiere athletic coaching position. Former NFL players (including USC alumni), such as Ronnie Lott, Gary Plummer, Tim McDonald and Willie McGinest offered their support for Carroll, who they noted had a player-friendly, easygoing style that might suit the college game and particularly recruiting. The USC Athletic Department received 2,500 e-mails, faxes and phone calls from alumni—mostly critical—and a number of donors asking for Carroll's removal before they would donate again.

Here's some research for the guy who thinks Pete Carroll was a "hot name" when he was hired by USC.

The guy sat out the entire 2000 season because he couldn't get an offer, other than DC.

And when USC hired him, he was their 4TH option ...

Carroll also wasn't well received by the USC fans and boosters ... Because he WASN'T a hot name!

Pete Carroll Named USC Football Coach - University of Southern California Official Athletic Site

Meh. Apparently he was well received. And coaches have sat out to continue collecting their NFL buyouts before.

USC Goes Carrolling - latimes

And yet there was a strong contingency that was happy he was hired.

 

[Dingaan1828]

we should make a poll asking whether being around Saban will make Kiffin a better HC or not.

Have at it.

 

[niner]

NOW its context. Maybe you should have known Butch cant beat ECU, especially when they have atleast 1 NFL player. That is precious.

Talmbout 8 wins 4 years straight is now the building blocks of a badass team? LMFAO!

5-7,6-7, and 5-7 whooped that ***, but its ok for you because it was ONLY by an average of 3 points. Well dam, that should count as a win then.

It's always been context. I did not know which ECU loss you were referring to but since we are specifying the 2007 one, that ECU team actually had three eventual NFLer's with Johnson, Stanley Bryant, and Travis Williams but Johnson was the only worth mentioning.

"Talmbout," is still not a word, you Silly Goose.

You said, "whooped that ***," and I showed how that was inaccurate again. You're welcome.

A freshman Johnson, Stanley Bryant who wasnt drafted and didnt make a NFL team? and no Travis Williams in 2007? That's the excuse?

Talmbout didnt whoop that ***, yet lost 4 times in a row, including a 41-10 beatdown at home against a sorry 6-7 team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_East_Carolina_Pirates_football_team

Chris Johnson was a senior on that team. Bryant was still on a roster so that does count practice squad or not. It's like Brandon Washington for us. Travis Williams also made a practice squad for the Chiefs apparently.

"Talmbout," is not a word.

I already addressed that point about getting beat and how other than that one loss they did not get their *** whooped to quote you even though that one particular loss is bad. Now you're starting to get it.

Well look at that, Chris Johnson was a senior.

Cant believe Butch lost to Chris Johnson and a couple of NFL practice squad players when he had real NFL players like: Kentwan Balmer, Hilee Taylor, Hakeem Nicks, Richard Quinn, Brandon Tate, Garrett Reynolds, and Brooks Foster.

How many did NC State have again? Those teams what whooped him?

 

[niner]

the internet says its a word, must be true:

Always glad to drop some knowledge on the kids.

talmbout
1. a conjuction of the words talking & about
2. refering to; asking a question
3. Yelled at broads when leaving the club to see whats poppin
4.to plot or scheme
1. As nicole walked out of chris's house, he yelled "what u talmbout?!?!?!?
2. What yall talmbout?
3. When Chris & D-rock saw some fat butt chicks leaving the club drunk, they holler'ed "yall aint talmbout it".

Even if you want to assume it's a word, then your context has shifted in terms of accuracy and urbandictionary is not an authenticated word source as defined and determined by the Dictionary Society of North America. #TheMoreYouKnow .

Talmbout an authenticated word source........on an internet message board!?!?!

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

NOW its context. Maybe you should have known Butch cant beat ECU, especially when they have atleast 1 NFL player. That is precious.

Talmbout 8 wins 4 years straight is now the building blocks of a badass team? LMFAO!

5-7,6-7, and 5-7 whooped that ***, but its ok for you because it was ONLY by an average of 3 points. Well dam, that should count as a win then.

It's always been context. I did not know which ECU loss you were referring to but since we are specifying the 2007 one, that ECU team actually had three eventual NFLer's with Johnson, Stanley Bryant, and Travis Williams but Johnson was the only worth mentioning.

"Talmbout," is still not a word, you Silly Goose.

You said, "whooped that ***," and I showed how that was inaccurate again. You're welcome.

A freshman Johnson, Stanley Bryant who wasnt drafted and didnt make a NFL team? and no Travis Williams in 2007? That's the excuse?

Talmbout didnt whoop that ***, yet lost 4 times in a row, including a 41-10 beatdown at home against a sorry 6-7 team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_East_Carolina_Pirates_football_team

Chris Johnson was a senior on that team. Bryant was still on a roster so that does count practice squad or not. It's like Brandon Washington for us. Travis Williams also made a practice squad for the Chiefs apparently.

"Talmbout," is not a word.

I already addressed that point about getting beat and how other than that one loss they did not get their *** whooped to quote you even though that one particular loss is bad. Now you're starting to get it.

Well look at that, Chris Johnson was a senior.

Cant believe Butch lost to Chris Johnson and a couple of NFL practice squad players when he had real NFL players like: Kentwan Balmer, Hilee Taylor, Hakeem Nicks, Richard Quinn, Brandon Tate, Garrett Reynolds, and Brooks Foster.

How many did NC State have again? Those teams what whooped him?

He lost to the best RB in the conference and the second best in the country. That's how it goes sometimes when he was taking over a team that had won 8 games once since 1997. He rushed for 136 yards and it was Butch's second game back so there might have been just some slight work to be done.

I'm glad you asked because I just looked it up and those NC State teams actually had a total 9 players drafted while Butch was there and a total of 19 players overall if you go all the way through graduation. Even I'm surprised it's that many. Other than that 2008 team though, no NC State team whooped him. You must've made another mistake.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

the internet says its a word, must be true:

Always glad to drop some knowledge on the kids.

talmbout
1. a conjuction of the words talking & about
2. refering to; asking a question
3. Yelled at broads when leaving the club to see whats poppin
4.to plot or scheme
1. As nicole walked out of chris's house, he yelled "what u talmbout?!?!?!?
2. What yall talmbout?
3. When Chris & D-rock saw some fat butt chicks leaving the club drunk, they holler'ed "yall aint talmbout it".

Even if you want to assume it's a word, then your context has shifted in terms of accuracy and urbandictionary is not an authenticated word source as defined and determined by the Dictionary Society of North America. #TheMoreYouKnow .

Talmbout an authenticated word source........on an internet message board!?!?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary_Society_of_North_America

They're just a little bit above that but if you went to their homepage I can't blame you for making the mistake and questioning their legitimacy. Allow this link to explain away your concerns.

 

[MIATL]

Thank you for pointing out their respective ages. I invalidate that argument as Butch did grow and develop from DL, to DC, to HC under a great coach while Kiffin also learned under a great coach and is a good position coach, OC, but has failed as HC at three places. That's just the smudge of a difference. So the age of failing seems like a minute point. But Butch did develop. If only Kiffin had completed the evolution.

That's the point! The guy is STILL young enough to be evolving as an HC.

He's 40 ... The same age Mike Gundy was when he was figuring out how to win at Oklahoma State, but before he became the guy anyone would be interested in hiring at Miami.

When Chip Kelly was 40, he was the OC at New Hampshire!

Kiffin is not a finished product ... And some of the people writing him off today will be the same people griping about why/how Miami "missed" hiring him if he goes someplace else, and blows up.

The same way folks were knocking the gimmicky spread offense Oregon runs, and had to have a "pro-style" HC at Miami.

Now, folks are throwing out Scott Frost and Lincoln Riley as "guys to watch".

Seriously, I don't care if we hire Kiffin. I don't think he would be a bad hire, but I'm not saying he's "can't miss", either.

What I am saying is I'm not accepting that what Butch did 20 years ago, that he hasn't replicated since, is any more likely to occur than Kiffin coming to Miami and being our next "right coach". And the former is probably considerably less likely.

... I'd probably also take Dana Holgorsen and Chad Morris, too ... lol

..... 2 MORE WEEKS UNTIL THE FOOTBALL SEASON STARTS

 

[niner]

It's always been context. I did not know which ECU loss you were referring to but since we are specifying the 2007 one, that ECU team actually had three eventual NFLer's with Johnson, Stanley Bryant, and Travis Williams but Johnson was the only worth mentioning.

"Talmbout," is still not a word, you Silly Goose.

You said, "whooped that ***," and I showed how that was inaccurate again. You're welcome.

A freshman Johnson, Stanley Bryant who wasnt drafted and didnt make a NFL team? and no Travis Williams in 2007? That's the excuse?

Talmbout didnt whoop that ***, yet lost 4 times in a row, including a 41-10 beatdown at home against a sorry 6-7 team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_East_Carolina_Pirates_football_team

Chris Johnson was a senior on that team. Bryant was still on a roster so that does count practice squad or not. It's like Brandon Washington for us. Travis Williams also made a practice squad for the Chiefs apparently.

"Talmbout," is not a word.

I already addressed that point about getting beat and how other than that one loss they did not get their *** whooped to quote you even though that one particular loss is bad. Now you're starting to get it.

Well look at that, Chris Johnson was a senior.

Cant believe Butch lost to Chris Johnson and a couple of NFL practice squad players when he had real NFL players like: Kentwan Balmer, Hilee Taylor, Hakeem Nicks, Richard Quinn, Brandon Tate, Garrett Reynolds, and Brooks Foster.

How many did NC State have again? Those teams what whooped him?

He lost to the best RB in the conference and the second best in the country. That's how it goes sometimes when he was taking over a team that had won 8 games once since 1997. He rushed for 136 yards and it was Butch's second game back so there might have been just some slight work to be done.

I'm glad you asked because I just looked it up and those NC State teams actually had a total 9 players drafted while Butch was there and a total of 19 players overall if you go all the way through graduation. Even I'm surprised it's that many. Other than that 2008 team though, no NC State team whooped him. You must've made another mistake.

Best RB in Conference USA? But Johnson was only a small portion of the 470 yards given up? That's it the second best RB in the country and 2 NFL practice squad players beat your god and his 7 real NFL players? LMAO!!

I would be upset as well if Butch was my idol and he got whooped by sorry NC State teams too.

Sorry.

 

[MIATL]

Did you really link the USC press announcement to validate they were happy about the hire???

LOL

Carroll was named the Trojans' head coach on December 15, 2000, signing a five-year contract after USC had gone through a tumultuous 18-day search to replace fired coach Paul Hackett. He was not the Trojans' first choice, and was considered a long shot as the USC Athletic Department under Director Mike Garrett initially planned to hire a high-profile coach with recent college experience. Meanwhile Carroll, who had not coached in over a year and not coached in the college ranks since 1983, drew unfavorable comparisons to the outgoing Hackett.

USC first pursued then Oregon State coach Dennis Erickson, who instead signed a contract extension with the Beavers; then Oregon coach Mike Bellotti, who similarly signed an extension. The search then moved to the San Diego Chargers coach Mike Riley, who had been an assistant coach at USC before later becoming the head coach of Oregon State. Stuck in contractual obligations to the Chargers (who were still in the midst of an NFL season) and hesitating about moving his family, Riley was unable to give a firm answer, opening an opportunity for Carroll, the school's fourth choice.

Carroll actively pursued the position, as his daughter, Jaime, was then a player on the school's successful volleyball team.[18] After the first three primary candidates turned down the position, USC hired Carroll. Under Garrett, USC had tried to recruit Carroll to be their head coach in 1997, while he was coaching the Patriots, but Carroll was unable to take the position. The second time the opening came up, Daryl Gross, then senior associate athletic director for USC, recommended Carroll to Garrett based on his experience as a former scout for the New York Jets while Carroll coached there. Garrett cited Carroll's intelligence, energy and reputation as a defensive specialist as reasons for his hire.
The choice of Carroll for USC's head coaching position was openly criticized by the media and many USC fans, primarily because of USC's stagnation under the outgoing Hackett and Carroll's record as a head coach in the NFL and being nearly two decades removed from the college level. Garrett took particular criticism for the hire, with the press tying his future with Carroll's after he had to fire two head coaches in four years for USC's premiere athletic coaching position. Former NFL players (including USC alumni), such as Ronnie Lott, Gary Plummer, Tim McDonald and Willie McGinest offered their support for Carroll, who they noted had a player-friendly, easygoing style that might suit the college game and particularly recruiting. The USC Athletic Department received 2,500 e-mails, faxes and phone calls from alumni—mostly critical—and a number of donors asking for Carroll's removal before they would donate again.

Here's some research for the guy who thinks Pete Carroll was a "hot name" when he was hired by USC.

The guy sat out the entire 2000 season because he couldn't get an offer, other than DC.

And when USC hired him, he was their 4TH option ...

Carroll also wasn't well received by the USC fans and boosters ... Because he WASN'T a hot name!

Pete Carroll Named USC Football Coach - University of Southern California Official Athletic Site

Meh. Apparently he was well received. And coaches have sat out to continue collecting their NFL buyouts before.

USC Goes Carrolling - latimes

And yet there was a strong contingency that was happy he was hired.

LOL

You're foolin'!

Read that linked article in CONTEXT (see what I did)...

The tone of that article is that Carroll was an unpopular choice for the position.

How do I know?

The 4th line of the article ...

"I've been an unpopular choice in the past," Carroll says. "What it is, it's a challenge."

He wasn't a "hot name" ... It's not an opinion, it's fact. He wasn't their top choice ... Again, not an opinion ... It's fact.

#LetItGo

But I did find this part of the article interesting ...

So USC represents a new chance for a man still trying to prove he can be a successful head coach. He retains a reputation for being smart and energetic, a defensive specialist who molded top-ranked squads with the Jets and later, as a coordinator, with the San Francisco 49ers.

... Even though Carroll was 49 when he got the USC job, he was still trying to prove he could be a successful HC ...

 

[Tad Footeball]

Thank you for pointing out their respective ages. I invalidate that argument as Butch did grow and develop from DL, to DC, to HC under a great coach while Kiffin also learned under a great coach and is a good position coach, OC, but has failed as HC at three places. That's just the smudge of a difference. So the age of failing seems like a minute point. But Butch did develop. If only Kiffin had completed the evolution.

That's the point! The guy is STILL young enough to be evolving as an HC.

He's 40 ... The same age Mike Gundy was when he was figuring out how to win at Oklahoma State, but before he became the guy anyone would be interested in hiring at Miami.

When Chip Kelly was 40, he was the OC at New Hampshire!

Kiffin is not a finished product ... And some of the people writing him off today will be the same people griping about why/how Miami "missed" hiring him if he goes someplace else, and blows up.

The same way folks were knocking the gimmicky spread offense Oregon runs, and had to have a "pro-style" HC at Miami.

Now, folks are throwing our Scott Frost and Lincoln Riley as "guys to watch".

Seriously, I don't care if we hire Kiffin. I don't think he would be a bad hire, but I'm saying he's "can't miss", either.

But I'm not accepting that what Butch did 20 years, that he hasn't replicated since, is any more likely to occur than Kiffin coming to Miami and being our next "right coach".

And I'd probably take Dana Holgorsen and Chad Morris, too ...

..... 2 MORE WEEKS UNTIL THE FOOTBALL SEASON STARTS

People are interested in hiring Mike Gundy? After last season?

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Thank you for pointing out their respective ages. I invalidate that argument as Butch did grow and develop from DL, to DC, to HC under a great coach while Kiffin also learned under a great coach and is a good position coach, OC, but has failed as HC at three places. That's just the smudge of a difference. So the age of failing seems like a minute point. But Butch did develop. If only Kiffin had completed the evolution.

That's the point! The guy is STILL young enough to be evolving as an HC.

He's 40 ... The same age Mike Gundy was when he was figuring out how to win at Oklahoma State, but before he became the guy anyone would be interested in hiring at Miami.

When Chip Kelly was 40, he was the OC at New Hampshire!

Kiffin is not a finished product ... And some of the people writing him off today will be the same people griping about why/how Miami "missed" hiring him if he goes someplace else, and blows up.

The same way folks were knocking the gimmicky spread offense Oregon runs, and had to have a "pro-style" HC at Miami.

Now, folks are throwing our Scott Frost and Lincoln Riley as "guys to watch".

Seriously, I don't care if we hire Kiffin. I don't think he would be a bad hire, but I'm saying he's "can't miss", either.

But I'm not accepting that what Butch did 20 years, that he hasn't replicated since, is any more likely to occur than Kiffin coming to Miami and being our next "right coach".

And I'd probably take Dana Holgorsen and Chad Morris, too ...

..... 2 MORE WEEKS UNTIL THE FOOTBALL SEASON STARTS

You know what? I'll concede this: He does have room to grow and develop and he is young enough to turn around. Fair? But he's had chances and failed at them. Mike Gundy was learning on the job at his first head coaching position. Chip Kelly wasn't even a head coach yet so he hadn't failed.

I want to hire a guy who has shown he can win as a head coach. The program can't afford a, "Learn As We Go," guy. We need a winner right now. We need a finished product, to borrow your term, and by your own admission that's not Kiffin and I don't know what the timetable is for him to become one. That gray area is too much of a risk.

Frost and Riley are down on my list too. Give me Justin Fuente out of Memphis over those guys.

At the end of the day while he was at USC Kiffin had big time, elite athletes and did not win with them. That is concerning to say the least. In all fairness, I'm probably being too harsh on Kiffin and I think in light of what you're saying he just might be too young. With the Raiders it was beyond obvious that he was just in over his head as he probably should've been.

The argument about what Butch did is that he has done it before. He came in, built the program up, and won. Logically, there is at least evidence and an example that it's happened of Butch succeeding and there isn't the same for Kiffin, whether it be because he got a raw deal at USC or he was too green or he was just not a good coach.

I'd rather die in a fire than hire Dana Holgorsen. Spread offense or not, he gets players into West Virginia that can't get into Butler Community College and he won't have the same luxury at Miami. His redeeming qualities to me is that he goes after real out of conference opponents and doesn't back down.

I'd take Chad Morris depending on how his first year goes. There may be some NCAA concerns to watch out for but he gets offense and recruits Florida very well.

And as much as I love Butch and think he's a Messiah, Charlie Strong would be my first pick.

And yes sir. 2 weeks until the season starts. Go 'Canes!

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

A freshman Johnson, Stanley Bryant who wasnt drafted and didnt make a NFL team? and no Travis Williams in 2007? That's the excuse?

Talmbout didnt whoop that ***, yet lost 4 times in a row, including a 41-10 beatdown at home against a sorry 6-7 team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_East_Carolina_Pirates_football_team

Chris Johnson was a senior on that team. Bryant was still on a roster so that does count practice squad or not. It's like Brandon Washington for us. Travis Williams also made a practice squad for the Chiefs apparently.

"Talmbout," is not a word.

I already addressed that point about getting beat and how other than that one loss they did not get their *** whooped to quote you even though that one particular loss is bad. Now you're starting to get it.

Well look at that, Chris Johnson was a senior.

Cant believe Butch lost to Chris Johnson and a couple of NFL practice squad players when he had real NFL players like: Kentwan Balmer, Hilee Taylor, Hakeem Nicks, Richard Quinn, Brandon Tate, Garrett Reynolds, and Brooks Foster.

How many did NC State have again? Those teams what whooped him?

He lost to the best RB in the conference and the second best in the country. That's how it goes sometimes when he was taking over a team that had won 8 games once since 1997. He rushed for 136 yards and it was Butch's second game back so there might have been just some slight work to be done.

I'm glad you asked because I just looked it up and those NC State teams actually had a total 9 players drafted while Butch was there and a total of 19 players overall if you go all the way through graduation. Even I'm surprised it's that many. Other than that 2008 team though, no NC State team whooped him. You must've made another mistake.

Best RB in Conference USA? But Johnson was only a small portion of the 470 yards given up? That's it the second best RB in the country and 2 NFL practice squad players beat your god and his 7 real NFL players? LMAO!!

I would be upset as well if Butch was my idol and he got whooped by sorry NC State teams too.

Sorry.

It was his second game back, that you have still ignored, and he still contributed over 250 totals yards if you combine his returning, which he was first team all-American for, and receiving. That's what a beast can do when you've only been on the job for a few months. Don't forget context, my friend!

I would be upset too if that had happened. You seem to have ignored my point of the NFL players, which is odd. But other than that 2008 game, with much more NFL talent than I thought they had, your whoop theory is false. 3-9 Virginia was once again his first year back, my friend.

I accept your apology.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Did you really link the USC press announcement to validate they were happy about the hire???

LOL

Carroll was named the Trojans' head coach on December 15, 2000, signing a five-year contract after USC had gone through a tumultuous 18-day search to replace fired coach Paul Hackett. He was not the Trojans' first choice, and was considered a long shot as the USC Athletic Department under Director Mike Garrett initially planned to hire a high-profile coach with recent college experience. Meanwhile Carroll, who had not coached in over a year and not coached in the college ranks since 1983, drew unfavorable comparisons to the outgoing Hackett.

USC first pursued then Oregon State coach Dennis Erickson, who instead signed a contract extension with the Beavers; then Oregon coach Mike Bellotti, who similarly signed an extension. The search then moved to the San Diego Chargers coach Mike Riley, who had been an assistant coach at USC before later becoming the head coach of Oregon State. Stuck in contractual obligations to the Chargers (who were still in the midst of an NFL season) and hesitating about moving his family, Riley was unable to give a firm answer, opening an opportunity for Carroll, the school's fourth choice.

Carroll actively pursued the position, as his daughter, Jaime, was then a player on the school's successful volleyball team.[18] After the first three primary candidates turned down the position, USC hired Carroll. Under Garrett, USC had tried to recruit Carroll to be their head coach in 1997, while he was coaching the Patriots, but Carroll was unable to take the position. The second time the opening came up, Daryl Gross, then senior associate athletic director for USC, recommended Carroll to Garrett based on his experience as a former scout for the New York Jets while Carroll coached there. Garrett cited Carroll's intelligence, energy and reputation as a defensive specialist as reasons for his hire.
The choice of Carroll for USC's head coaching position was openly criticized by the media and many USC fans, primarily because of USC's stagnation under the outgoing Hackett and Carroll's record as a head coach in the NFL and being nearly two decades removed from the college level. Garrett took particular criticism for the hire, with the press tying his future with Carroll's after he had to fire two head coaches in four years for USC's premiere athletic coaching position. Former NFL players (including USC alumni), such as Ronnie Lott, Gary Plummer, Tim McDonald and Willie McGinest offered their support for Carroll, who they noted had a player-friendly, easygoing style that might suit the college game and particularly recruiting. The USC Athletic Department received 2,500 e-mails, faxes and phone calls from alumni—mostly critical—and a number of donors asking for Carroll's removal before they would donate again.

Pete Carroll Named USC Football Coach - University of Southern California Official Athletic Site

Meh. Apparently he was well received. And coaches have sat out to continue collecting their NFL buyouts before.

USC Goes Carrolling - latimes

And yet there was a strong contingency that was happy he was hired.

LOL

You're foolin'!

Read that linked article in CONTEXT (see what I did)...

The tone of that article is that Carroll was an unpopular choice for the position.

How do I know?

The 4th line of the article ...

"I've been an unpopular choice in the past," Carroll says. "What it is, it's a challenge."

He wasn't a "hot name" ... It's not an opinion, it's fact. He wasn't their top choice ... Again, not an opinion ... It's fact.

#LetItGo

But I did find this part of the article interesting ...

So USC represents a new chance for a man still trying to prove he can be a successful head coach. He retains a reputation for being smart and energetic, a defensive specialist who molded top-ranked squads with the Jets and later, as a coordinator, with the San Francisco 49ers.

... Even though Carroll was 49 when he got the USC job, he was still trying to prove he could be a successful HC ...

Timing Isn't Entirely on Carroll's Side - latimes

I see that you tried to use my context line and did not succeed.

The tone of the article is that he wasn't as good as the other three candidates but when you're USC, every candidate you seriously consider is quality. It's like complaining about a 93% on a test. What aren't you getting? #ApologyAccepted .

That part of the article is interesting. Notice also how it says that he had fielded top units in the NFL and mentions his playoff appearances later in the article. Almost as if definitions of success vary or something.

 

[niner]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_East_Carolina_Pirates_football_team

Chris Johnson was a senior on that team. Bryant was still on a roster so that does count practice squad or not. It's like Brandon Washington for us. Travis Williams also made a practice squad for the Chiefs apparently.

"Talmbout," is not a word.

I already addressed that point about getting beat and how other than that one loss they did not get their *** whooped to quote you even though that one particular loss is bad. Now you're starting to get it.

Well look at that, Chris Johnson was a senior.

Cant believe Butch lost to Chris Johnson and a couple of NFL practice squad players when he had real NFL players like: Kentwan Balmer, Hilee Taylor, Hakeem Nicks, Richard Quinn, Brandon Tate, Garrett Reynolds, and Brooks Foster.

How many did NC State have again? Those teams what whooped him?

He lost to the best RB in the conference and the second best in the country. That's how it goes sometimes when he was taking over a team that had won 8 games once since 1997. He rushed for 136 yards and it was Butch's second game back so there might have been just some slight work to be done.

I'm glad you asked because I just looked it up and those NC State teams actually had a total 9 players drafted while Butch was there and a total of 19 players overall if you go all the way through graduation. Even I'm surprised it's that many. Other than that 2008 team though, no NC State team whooped him. You must've made another mistake.

Best RB in Conference USA? But Johnson was only a small portion of the 470 yards given up? That's it the second best RB in the country and 2 NFL practice squad players beat your god and his 7 real NFL players? LMAO!!

I would be upset as well if Butch was my idol and he got whooped by sorry NC State teams too.

Sorry.

It was his second game back, that you have still ignored, and he still contributed over 250 totals yards if you combine his returning, which he was first team all-American for, and receiving. That's what a beast can do when you've only been on the job for a few months. Don't forget context, my friend!

I would be upset too if that had happened. You seem to have ignored my point of the NFL players, which is odd. But other than that 2008 game, with much more NFL talent than I thought they had, your whoop theory is false.

I accept your apology.

Second game back excuse? Well dam, how many games does he need to get acclimated? NC State whopped him, year 1, year 2, year 3 , AND year 4. My bad, barely beat him year 1, barely beat him year 2, whooped him year 3, and barely beat him year 4. Whew, don't want to make it seem like they were not close games or that NC State own him.

Apology Accepted!

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Thank you for pointing out their respective ages. I invalidate that argument as Butch did grow and develop from DL, to DC, to HC under a great coach while Kiffin also learned under a great coach and is a good position coach, OC, but has failed as HC at three places. That's just the smudge of a difference. So the age of failing seems like a minute point. But Butch did develop. If only Kiffin had completed the evolution.

That's the point! The guy is STILL young enough to be evolving as an HC.

He's 40 ... The same age Mike Gundy was when he was figuring out how to win at Oklahoma State, but before he became the guy anyone would be interested in hiring at Miami.

When Chip Kelly was 40, he was the OC at New Hampshire!

Kiffin is not a finished product ... And some of the people writing him off today will be the same people griping about why/how Miami "missed" hiring him if he goes someplace else, and blows up.

The same way folks were knocking the gimmicky spread offense Oregon runs, and had to have a "pro-style" HC at Miami.

Now, folks are throwing our Scott Frost and Lincoln Riley as "guys to watch".

Seriously, I don't care if we hire Kiffin. I don't think he would be a bad hire, but I'm saying he's "can't miss", either.

But I'm not accepting that what Butch did 20 years, that he hasn't replicated since, is any more likely to occur than Kiffin coming to Miami and being our next "right coach".

And I'd probably take Dana Holgorsen and Chad Morris, too ...

..... 2 MORE WEEKS UNTIL THE FOOTBALL SEASON STARTS

People are interested in hiring Mike Gundy? After last season?

I would take him. OSU looked great against FSU and then the QB went down and the team kind of circled the drain. I think this year is the rubber year.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Well look at that, Chris Johnson was a senior.

Cant believe Butch lost to Chris Johnson and a couple of NFL practice squad players when he had real NFL players like: Kentwan Balmer, Hilee Taylor, Hakeem Nicks, Richard Quinn, Brandon Tate, Garrett Reynolds, and Brooks Foster.

How many did NC State have again? Those teams what whooped him?

He lost to the best RB in the conference and the second best in the country. That's how it goes sometimes when he was taking over a team that had won 8 games once since 1997. He rushed for 136 yards and it was Butch's second game back so there might have been just some slight work to be done.

I'm glad you asked because I just looked it up and those NC State teams actually had a total 9 players drafted while Butch was there and a total of 19 players overall if you go all the way through graduation. Even I'm surprised it's that many. Other than that 2008 team though, no NC State team whooped him. You must've made another mistake.

Best RB in Conference USA? But Johnson was only a small portion of the 470 yards given up? That's it the second best RB in the country and 2 NFL practice squad players beat your god and his 7 real NFL players? LMAO!!

I would be upset as well if Butch was my idol and he got whooped by sorry NC State teams too.

Sorry.

It was his second game back, that you have still ignored, and he still contributed over 250 totals yards if you combine his returning, which he was first team all-American for, and receiving. That's what a beast can do when you've only been on the job for a few months. Don't forget context, my friend!

I would be upset too if that had happened. You seem to have ignored my point of the NFL players, which is odd. But other than that 2008 game, with much more NFL talent than I thought they had, your whoop theory is false.

I accept your apology.

Second game back excuse? Well dam, how many games does he need to get acclimated? NC State whopped him, year 1, year 2, year 3 , AND year 4. My bad, barely beat him year 1, barely beat him year 2, whooped him year 3, and barely beat him year 4. Whew, don't want to make it seem like they were not close games or that NC State own him.

Apology Accepted!

Once again it's not an excuse if context is being provided.

I'd say about a year is what it takes to get acclimated. I'm glad you caught your mistake but you did make the very good point that those NC State teams had much more NFL talent that one would have initially thought. Good call on your part.

I agree that your apology has been accepted.

 

[TRock305]

Well look at that, Chris Johnson was a senior.

Cant believe Butch lost to Chris Johnson and a couple of NFL practice squad players when he had real NFL players like: Kentwan Balmer, Hilee Taylor, Hakeem Nicks, Richard Quinn, Brandon Tate, Garrett Reynolds, and Brooks Foster.

How many did NC State have again? Those teams what whooped him?

He lost to the best RB in the conference and the second best in the country. That's how it goes sometimes when he was taking over a team that had won 8 games once since 1997. He rushed for 136 yards and it was Butch's second game back so there might have been just some slight work to be done.

I'm glad you asked because I just looked it up and those NC State teams actually had a total 9 players drafted while Butch was there and a total of 19 players overall if you go all the way through graduation. Even I'm surprised it's that many. Other than that 2008 team though, no NC State team whooped him. You must've made another mistake.

Best RB in Conference USA? But Johnson was only a small portion of the 470 yards given up? That's it the second best RB in the country and 2 NFL practice squad players beat your god and his 7 real NFL players? LMAO!!

I would be upset as well if Butch was my idol and he got whooped by sorry NC State teams too.

Sorry.

It was his second game back, that you have still ignored, and he still contributed over 250 totals yards if you combine his returning, which he was first team all-American for, and receiving. That's what a beast can do when you've only been on the job for a few months. Don't forget context, my friend!

I would be upset too if that had happened. You seem to have ignored my point of the NFL players, which is odd. But other than that 2008 game, with much more NFL talent than I thought they had, your whoop theory is false.

I accept your apology.

Second game back excuse? Well dam, how many games does he need to get acclimated? NC State whopped him, year 1, year 2, year 3 , AND year 4. My bad, barely beat him year 1, barely beat him year 2, whooped him year 3, and barely beat him year 4. Whew, don't want to make it seem like they were not close games or that NC State own him.

Apology Accepted!

Blandy & Mr. Whipple: 33
Butch: 10

Nuff said.

 

[MIATL]

So, if we hire Kiffin ... And the accompanying articles talk about his recruiting prowess and his reputation as an OC wizard, then you'll be good with the hire?

#BeConsistent

And do you not remember the number of talking heads who tried to convince us Al Golden was the right hire when he got the job? Or when Troy Drayton was quoted in the paper talking about how "aggressive" Mark D'Onofrio was going to be as our DC?

Those links are all propaganda, and it's standard operating procedure when a new coach is hired.

Carroll just happened to hit his stride at USC, and now continues it in Seattle.

But it remains, he wasn't a hot name / preferred choice to take the USC job in 2000.

And BTW ... If every USC HC candidate is quality, what's your knock against Kiffin, again?

#GotEeem

Did you really link the USC press announcement to validate they were happy about the hire???

LOL

Carroll was named the Trojans' head coach on December 15, 2000, signing a five-year contract after USC had gone through a tumultuous 18-day search to replace fired coach Paul Hackett. He was not the Trojans' first choice, and was considered a long shot as the USC Athletic Department under Director Mike Garrett initially planned to hire a high-profile coach with recent college experience. Meanwhile Carroll, who had not coached in over a year and not coached in the college ranks since 1983, drew unfavorable comparisons to the outgoing Hackett.

USC first pursued then Oregon State coach Dennis Erickson, who instead signed a contract extension with the Beavers; then Oregon coach Mike Bellotti, who similarly signed an extension. The search then moved to the San Diego Chargers coach Mike Riley, who had been an assistant coach at USC before later becoming the head coach of Oregon State. Stuck in contractual obligations to the Chargers (who were still in the midst of an NFL season) and hesitating about moving his family, Riley was unable to give a firm answer, opening an opportunity for Carroll, the school's fourth choice.

Carroll actively pursued the position, as his daughter, Jaime, was then a player on the school's successful volleyball team.[18] After the first three primary candidates turned down the position, USC hired Carroll. Under Garrett, USC had tried to recruit Carroll to be their head coach in 1997, while he was coaching the Patriots, but Carroll was unable to take the position. The second time the opening came up, Daryl Gross, then senior associate athletic director for USC, recommended Carroll to Garrett based on his experience as a former scout for the New York Jets while Carroll coached there. Garrett cited Carroll's intelligence, energy and reputation as a defensive specialist as reasons for his hire.
The choice of Carroll for USC's head coaching position was openly criticized by the media and many USC fans, primarily because of USC's stagnation under the outgoing Hackett and Carroll's record as a head coach in the NFL and being nearly two decades removed from the college level. Garrett took particular criticism for the hire, with the press tying his future with Carroll's after he had to fire two head coaches in four years for USC's premiere athletic coaching position. Former NFL players (including USC alumni), such as Ronnie Lott, Gary Plummer, Tim McDonald and Willie McGinest offered their support for Carroll, who they noted had a player-friendly, easygoing style that might suit the college game and particularly recruiting. The USC Athletic Department received 2,500 e-mails, faxes and phone calls from alumni—mostly critical—and a number of donors asking for Carroll's removal before they would donate again.

USC Goes Carrolling - latimes

And yet there was a strong contingency that was happy he was hired.

LOL

You're foolin'!

Read that linked article in CONTEXT (see what I did)...

The tone of that article is that Carroll was an unpopular choice for the position.

How do I know?

The 4th line of the article ...

"I've been an unpopular choice in the past," Carroll says. "What it is, it's a challenge."

He wasn't a "hot name" ... It's not an opinion, it's fact. He wasn't their top choice ... Again, not an opinion ... It's fact.

#LetItGo

But I did find this part of the article interesting ...

So USC represents a new chance for a man still trying to prove he can be a successful head coach. He retains a reputation for being smart and energetic, a defensive specialist who molded top-ranked squads with the Jets and later, as a coordinator, with the San Francisco 49ers.

... Even though Carroll was 49 when he got the USC job, he was still trying to prove he could be a successful HC ...

Timing Isn't Entirely on Carroll's Side - latimes

I see that you tried to use my context line and did not succeed.

The tone of the article is that he wasn't as good as the other three candidates but when you're USC, every candidate you seriously consider is quality. It's like complaining about a 93% on a test. What aren't you getting? #ApologyAccepted .

That part of the article is interesting. Notice also how it says that he had fielded top units in the NFL and mentions his playoff appearances later in the article. Almost as if definitions of success vary or something.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

He lost to the best RB in the conference and the second best in the country. That's how it goes sometimes when he was taking over a team that had won 8 games once since 1997. He rushed for 136 yards and it was Butch's second game back so there might have been just some slight work to be done.

I'm glad you asked because I just looked it up and those NC State teams actually had a total 9 players drafted while Butch was there and a total of 19 players overall if you go all the way through graduation. Even I'm surprised it's that many. Other than that 2008 team though, no NC State team whooped him. You must've made another mistake.

Best RB in Conference USA? But Johnson was only a small portion of the 470 yards given up? That's it the second best RB in the country and 2 NFL practice squad players beat your god and his 7 real NFL players? LMAO!!

I would be upset as well if Butch was my idol and he got whooped by sorry NC State teams too.

Sorry.

It was his second game back, that you have still ignored, and he still contributed over 250 totals yards if you combine his returning, which he was first team all-American for, and receiving. That's what a beast can do when you've only been on the job for a few months. Don't forget context, my friend!

I would be upset too if that had happened. You seem to have ignored my point of the NFL players, which is odd. But other than that 2008 game, with much more NFL talent than I thought they had, your whoop theory is false.

I accept your apology.

Second game back excuse? Well dam, how many games does he need to get acclimated? NC State whopped him, year 1, year 2, year 3 , AND year 4. My bad, barely beat him year 1, barely beat him year 2, whooped him year 3, and barely beat him year 4. Whew, don't want to make it seem like they were not close games or that NC State own him.

Apology Accepted!

Blandy & Mr. Whipple: 33
Butch: 10

Nuff said.

There's a lot more to say.

 

[Kevin]

there's a lot to like about gundy.

I believe FLA wouldve killed it, if they hired him instead of Mcelwain.