Duke was 3-9 last season. First year coach

[blushrts]

Duke can't be good, you gotta get worse and blame it on the players in your first year.

 

[WPa Cane]

Tells me were in trouble unless he hires great coordinators & lets them do there thing.

The question leaping to the fore becomes which of the two hurdles listed above will be more difficult for our coach to overcome!

 

[Highline17]

Elko is one of the best defensive minds in college football. Johns is a really good OC.

Mario can only coach O line and his coordinator hires were a disaster.

Not hard to see why they were successful and Miami wasn’t.

Elko is a great coach, he also made a great OC hire. Mario should look towards Duke to steal their OC

 

[Miami04]

Elko is one of the best defensive minds in college football. Johns is a really good OC.

Mario can only coach O line and his coordinator hires were a disaster.

Not hard to see why they were successful and Miami wasn’t.

My only fear with Mario. He can’t really coach us up in any position but OL. He relies on his OC and DC. Get a bad one and you get what happened this season. No doubt in my mind there’s 20 coaches out there that could have won 9 games with this team. I’m all in on Mario but he’s just got to make great hires And build on those.

 

[Canesq]

My only fear with Mario. He can’t really coach us up in any position but OL. He relies on his OC and DC. Get a bad one and you get what happened this season. No doubt in my mind there’s 20 coaches out there that could have won 9 games with this team. I’m all in on Mario but he’s just got to make great hires And build on those.

You can’t miss on OC/DC hires when you are building from the ground up.

You have more margin for error when your roster is stacked with 4/5 stars

 

[E1k]

My only fear with Mario. He can’t really coach us up in any position but OL. He relies on his OC and DC. Get a bad one and you get what happened this season. No doubt in my mind there’s 20 coaches out there that could have won 9 games with this team. I’m all in on Mario but he’s just got to make great hires And build on those.

Thats why some people wanted other candidates(i wanted mario) because most of them bring something of their own, mario will have to get his hires right multiple times which is tough

 

[gogeta4]

Thats why some people wanted other candidates(i wanted mario) because most of them bring something of their own, mario will have to get his hires right multiple times which is tough

I didnt want him for that exact reason and maybe was going on n on about it here for 5 years.

I specifically would say if sh*t hits the fan on offense...Manny cant even calll a play or take it over...well in year 1 sh*t hit the fan and we were completely stuck.

 

[E1k]

I didnt want him for that exact reason and maybe was going on n on about it here for 5 years.

I specifically would say if sh*t hits the fan on offense...Manny cant even calll a play or take it over...well in year 1 sh*t hit the fan and we were completely stuck.

I wanted him cause of the program builder/recruiting side plus the money backing him but I didn’t like our process. How do we fail after we rushed to hire a coach with no real search and then basically go into the next time and do the same ****? He’s more worthy of a candidate than manny of course but you’d think after all our failures the people in charge will do a thorough search. Instead we just put all of our chips on him

 

[SayWhat]

His recruiting is never gonna falter let alone next season

It’s like you guys just say things that sound good but don’t actually look at any evidence

@Dwinstitles they never learn

It will if the NIL pool dries up. Nobody will continue to pour their own money into anything if it doesn't produce positive results. He keeps losing, eventually that money will be put towards his buyout.

 

[JHallCanes]

It will if the NIL pool dries up. Nobody will continue to pour their own money into anything if it doesn't produce positive results. He keeps losing, eventually that money will be put towards his buyout.

Eventually yes. I responded to the person saying next year

 

[Cane6]

When approaching a rebuild, it’s infinitely easier to lead with coaching and production rather than talent

Meaning, lead with the production and the talent will follow

Compared to what Mario and Gattis did in 2022

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

Duke was worse than us last season. They have a first year coach.

It’s clear we are right back to getting insanely out-coached. I’m not sure we overcome this trash, calamity of errors every week with top 5 classes every year. This is a .500 corch we’re looking at, and I don’t care how early it is. I’ve been patient but this is just complete filth.

Yup. Duke also has a program full of smart kids, hard workers and overachievers who respond to quality leadership—while the program was stable for well over a decade under a quality human being and coach in David Cutcliffe, whose time was up, which resulted in a smooth handoff to Mike Elko, who is the right fit guy. (While Miami had been a revolving door of head coaches—Cristobal now UM's fifth head coach since Cutcliffe was hired at Duke in 2008; Randy Shannon's second year as head coach for the Canes. Stability matters.)

This was also the first year for RIley Leonard at starting quarterback, which in itself was a massive upgrade and would've resulted in a few extra wins even without the coaching change.

Miami's 2022 roster was loaded with lazy, entitled underachievers who recoiled at the thought of hard work—while rushing to social media after the game to post Getty Images of them losing, or off to a street corner to film the latest TikTok dance craze—kids part of the loose ship that Manny Diaz run and guys who loved posing with chains and rings while teams like Alabama, Clemson, North Carolina and Michigan State were kicking their teeth in.

News flash, if Miami had Duke's roster this year they'd have been better than 5-7—as every kid in that locker room would've responded to Mario Cristobal just at they did Mike Elko.

Put Elko a top the Canes program this year and he'd have had a 5-7 roster, as well—as this team was full of jokers, clowns and lazy, low IQ football players last fall.

 

[Damiencane86]

I wanted him cause of the program builder/recruiting side plus the money backing him but I didn’t like our process. How do we fail after we rushed to hire a coach with no real search and then basically go into the next time and do the same ****? He’s more worthy of a candidate than manny of course but you’d think after all our failures the people in charge will do a thorough search. Instead we just put all of our chips on him

The recruiting acumen and program building experience were factors in combination that was something most other available HC's didn't have but MC did which made him a preferred candidate. It's definitely not debatable he doesn't bring us any schematic advantages so his coordinator hires had to hit and he massively failed on offense specifically. He needs to eventually land the right coordinators and adjust his philosophy to ultimately succeed. His best model I think is Kirby, a guy who consistently recruits top 5 and made slight modifications to his overall ground & pound leanings. The difference though is Kirby inherited a much better roster at Jawja than Mario did here so unless we can Gattis and replace him with a home run hire we're looking at another year or two of mediocrity until this thing truly starts to roll thanks to the talent advantage MC will eventually accrue.

 

[hoops156]

Yup. Duke also has a program full of smart kids, hard workers and overachievers who respond to quality leadership—while the program was stable for well over a decade under a quality human being and coach in David Cutcliffe, whose time was up, which resulted in a smooth handoff to Mike Elko, who is the right fit guy. (While Miami had been a revolving door of head coaches—Cristobal now UM's fifth head coach since Cutcliffe was hired at Duke in 2008; Randy Shannon's second year as head coach for the Canes. Stability matters.)

This was also the first year for RIley Leonard at starting quarterback, which in itself was a massive upgrade and would've resulted in a few extra wins even without the coaching change.

Miami's 2022 roster was loaded with lazy, entitled underachievers who recoiled at the thought of hard work—while rushing to social media after the game to post Getty Images of them losing, or off to a street corner to film the latest TikTok dance craze—kids part of the loose ship that Manny Diaz run and guys who loved posing with chains and rings while teams like Alabama, Clemson, North Carolina and Michigan State were kicking their teeth in.

News flash, if Miami had Duke's roster this year they'd have been better than 5-7—as every kid in that locker room would've responded to Mario Cristobal just at they did Mike Elko.

Put Elko a top the Canes program this year and he'd have had a 5-7 roster, as well—as this team was full of jokers, clowns and lazy, low IQ football players last fall.

duke won 5 games in two years sorry. stop w this bull**** you post everywhere. they also did it w multiple miami staffers from last years team. guess they figured it out huh. they were the worst p5 team in the country since 2020 at the very least. just stop.

 

[hoops156]

The recruiting acumen and program building experience were factors in combination that was something most other available HC's didn't have but MC did which made him a preferred candidate. It's definitely not debatable he doesn't bring us any schematic advantages so his coordinator hires had to hit and he massively failed on offense specifically. He needs to eventually land the right coordinators and adjust his philosophy to ultimately succeed. His best model I think is Kirby, a guy who consistently recruits top 5 and made slight modifications to his overall ground & pound leanings. The difference though is Kirby inherited a much better roster at Jawja than Mario did here so unless we can Gattis and replace him with a home run hire we're looking at another year or two of mediocrity until this thing truly starts to roll thanks to the talent advantage MC will eventually accrue.

kirby is a DC tho so if all else fails, his calling card will always be elite and it always has even when the O stunk for years at UGA and held them back (he went through multiple OCs)

 

[Rickd]

Here’s the kicker...

Duke has multiple former Miami coaches from last year on their staff

HUGE difference is that Duke hired Kevin Johns as their OC. He played QB in college and was the OC/QB coach at Texas Tech and Memphis prior to being hired at Duke. UM would have had a different record if Mario had hired him rather than .... the guy he did hire.

 

[hoops156]

HUGE difference is that Duke hired Kevin Johns as their OC. He played QB in college and was the OC/QB coach at Texas Tech and Memphis prior to being hired at Duke. UM would have had a different record if Mario had hired him rather than .... the guy he did hire.

so a first time HC (i believe in Elko) figured out the staff hiring before a seasoned and proven HC like mario? thats the biggest and most surprising fail in my opinon we saw this year

 

[ssj4cane]

Tons of coaches have been successful in early years with other guys players and then falling off. Tons of guys struggled in year one and went on to success. These threads are tiresome.

 

[blushrts]

Yup. Duke also has a program full of smart kids, hard workers and overachievers who respond to quality leadership—while the program was stable for well over a decade under a quality human being and coach in David Cutcliffe, whose time was up, which resulted in a smooth handoff to Mike Elko, who is the right fit guy. (While Miami had been a revolving door of head coaches—Cristobal now UM's fifth head coach since Cutcliffe was hired at Duke in 2008; Randy Shannon's second year as head coach for the Canes. Stability matters.)

This was also the first year for RIley Leonard at starting quarterback, which in itself was a massive upgrade and would've resulted in a few extra wins even without the coaching change.

Miami's 2022 roster was loaded with lazy, entitled underachievers who recoiled at the thought of hard work—while rushing to social media after the game to post Getty Images of them losing, or off to a street corner to film the latest TikTok dance craze—kids part of the loose ship that Manny Diaz run and guys who loved posing with chains and rings while teams like Alabama, Clemson, North Carolina and Michigan State were kicking their teeth in.

News flash, if Miami had Duke's roster this year they'd have been better than 5-7—as every kid in that locker room would've responded to Mario Cristobal just at they did Mike Elko.

Put Elko a top the Canes program this year and he'd have had a 5-7 roster, as well—as this team was full of jokers, clowns and lazy, low IQ football players last fall.

Gattis is an *****. Kids don't quit on Aholes. Kids quit on Aholes who's stuff doesn't work

 

[Rickd]

so a first time HC (i believe in Elko) figured out the staff hiring before a seasoned and proven HC like mario? thats the biggest and most surprising fail in my opinon we saw this year

Who says Mario is "a seasoned and proven HC"? He has had some success but his biggest failings have been being slow to make hires and not being a solid game day coach. He has a chance to recover and make a staff adjustment...but will he? He can either tweak his staff and win games or refuse and become the Cuban Al Golden.