Draft analysts raving about Canes at East/West Shrine Game

[Billy D Williams]

The failure is 80% system and risk aversion, 20% recruiting. These guys do a good job of developing players.

Being naive is nothing you have to try to do. One does not be applauded for development skills for taking a 5***** kid to this:

"I can see him being a mid-round pick who will be around a long time," Jeremiah said.

As for Feliciano, don't see where you gather any applaudable coaching development skills from this. Sounds more like a testament to the kids own intestinal fortitude:

doesn't wow you with his athleticism or strength, but he is a hard-working guy who is tenacious and versatile.

 

[DMoney]

I wouldn't exactly call this raving about them, but we definitely wasted talent over the past few years. Especially Chick.

The analysts were asked to pick the players that stood out to them.

 

[Gatorhater]

Daniel Jeremiah and Mike Mayock of the NFL Network have identified a couple ProCanes as the most impressive players on the field.

From Jeremiah:

Miami DE Anthony Chickillo: Chickillo (6-foot-4, 275 pounds) was a five-star prospect and a consensus national top-25 recruit in the 2011 recruiting class, one that also included Jadeveon Clowney, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Sammy Watkins, who were first-round picks in the 2014 draft. (Chickillo is one of two five-stars from the 2011 recruiting class in the Shrine Game; the other is Texas RB Malcom Brown.) Chickillo was a four-year starter at Miami, but never lived up to the recruiting hype. He had five sacks as a freshman in 2011, but that ended up being his career-high, and his total dropped every season (four in 2012, 3.5 in '13 and three this season). Still, he was a valuable player for the Hurricanes known for his high-revving motor and ended up being better against the run than was expected. Chickillo showed off his relentlessness and tenacity in almost every drill this week. "I can see him being a mid-round pick who will be around a long time," Jeremiah said.

How does that happen? What changed with Chick from Year 1 to Year 4? He doesn't have a history of being injured. Wasn't supplanted by some hotshot freshman or another player. Just sack totals, and I am sure tackles and tackle for loss totals just fell off like a washed up rapper.

Hope he kills at the Shrine Game and next level.

When you are not allowed to escape from the olinemen, it is hard to get to the QB.

 

[Connecticane88]

Olson Pierre is in the nflpa collegiate bowl or something like that. He looked so unathletic abd slow in the few minutes of practice I saw.

 

[904Cane]

Daniel Jeremiah and Mike Mayock of the NFL Network have identified a couple ProCanes as the most impressive players on the field.

From Jeremiah:

Miami DE Anthony Chickillo: Chickillo (6-foot-4, 275 pounds) was a five-star prospect and a consensus national top-25 recruit in the 2011 recruiting class, one that also included Jadeveon Clowney, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Sammy Watkins, who were first-round picks in the 2014 draft. (Chickillo is one of two five-stars from the 2011 recruiting class in the Shrine Game; the other is Texas RB Malcom Brown.) Chickillo was a four-year starter at Miami, but never lived up to the recruiting hype. He had five sacks as a freshman in 2011, but that ended up being his career-high, and his total dropped every season (four in 2012, 3.5 in '13 and three this season). Still, he was a valuable player for the Hurricanes known for his high-revving motor and ended up being better against the run than was expected. Chickillo showed off his relentlessness and tenacity in almost every drill this week. "I can see him being a mid-round pick who will be around a long time," Jeremiah said.

How does that happen? What changed with Chick from Year 1 to Year 4? He doesn't have a history of being injured. Wasn't supplanted by some hotshot freshman or another player. Just sack totals, and I am sure tackles and tackle for loss totals just fell off like a washed up rapper.

Hope he kills at the Shrine Game and next level.

Year one he played 4-3 single gap DE. Years 2-4 he played 3-4 2-gap DE. Scheme is an abomination that is killing kids wallets.

Truthfully he had to move inside he wasnt as "twitchy" as McCord of Muhammed who were a problem last season as they rushed on obvious passing situations. So the question is do you market him as a pure 4-3 DE , which in my opinion he would have been average at best or make him a hybrid, which based on reviews from East/West has helped him. He doesnt have the sacks but he has the scheme diversity and is a hard-worker will make it. If he was 240 he would have been pushed around like he was as a Freshman .. I think we must have forgotten that he couldnt hold point of attack as Freshman ..

 

[904Cane]

We made him draftable. You compare his Freshman year to Clowney's He was never a speed rusher. Take a look for yourself


http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=B97F76AC0A5DF640E619B97F76AC0A5DF640E619

You see any speed , I dont I see a guy bigger than everyone else making a lot of effort plays.. Majority of highlights he is standing up and isnt blocked at all. HS football for really big kids is easy as no one really wants to block them

Nothing against him but he is who he is..

To compare just look at McCord's highlights http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=7EA7DB54B0FA4F0673237EA7DB54B0FA4F067323

They were similar height and size in HS but one is much more explosive off the edge they both get to college one still rushes and plays rush backer in passing downs and the other moves inside. Kills me how people act like Chick was Olivier Vernon or somebody..

 

[Fountain of Canes]

What the scouts arent looking at until they hit the film is the 10 sacks he didnt have by not wrapping up and slipping off the QB. he could always get there just couldnt finish. just like Al golden teams down the stretch.

 

[Insanecane]

Chick missed a lot of tackles behind the LOS this year.

 

[CaniacMike21]

We'll be in the top 5 among all college teams in amount of players from this draft class making an NFL roster on day 1 of the season.

 

[OldhamA]

We made him draftable. You compare his Freshman year to Clowney's He was never a speed rusher. Take a look for yourself


http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=B97F76AC0A5DF640E619B97F76AC0A5DF640E619

You see any speed , I dont I see a guy bigger than everyone else making a lot of effort plays.. Majority of highlights he is standing up and isnt blocked at all. HS football for really big kids is easy as no one really wants to block them

Nothing against him but he is who he is..

To compare just look at McCord's highlights http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=7EA7DB54B0FA4F0673237EA7DB54B0FA4F067323

They were similar height and size in HS but one is much more explosive off the edge they both get to college one still rushes and plays rush backer in passing downs and the other moves inside. Kills me how people act like Chick was Olivier Vernon or somebody..

Not really. He took one for the team by bulking up for this godawful system.

He's a 4-3 DE in the NFL. A rotational guy, but one that coaches have no problem putting in the game as he'll go 100mph and do his job. That, along with the measurables he has, will lead to a decent NFL career.

 

[JHallCanes]

Chick shouldn't have been over 260 his whole career here. When they used him at end this last year his lack of quickness was very noticeable.

It's what happens when you can't recruit naturally big DLinemen worth a ****.

You ruin a kid's college career by forcing him into something to mask your completely and utter deficiencies.

Chickillo should sue the **** out of Golden.

 

[RiDLer80]

With the amount of snaps that Chick played over the years to have those tiny sack numbers is a ******* embarrassment.

Playing that many snaps he should've lucked into 4 more sacks a season.

 

[OldhamA]

With the amount of snaps that Chick played over the years to have those tiny sack numbers is a ****ing embarrassment.

Playing that many snaps he should've lucked into 4 more sacks a season.

On the flip side you could argue it's ******* embarrassing he had to play so many minutes. He must have been knackered.

 

[The Franchise]

The failure is 80% system and risk aversion, 20% recruiting. These guys do a good job of developing players.

Being naive is nothing you have to try to do. One does not be applauded for development skills for taking a 5***** kid to this:

"I can see him being a mid-round pick who will be around a long time," Jeremiah said.

As for Feliciano, don't see where you gather any applaudable coaching development skills from this. Sounds more like a testament to the kids own intestinal fortitude:

doesn't wow you with his athleticism or strength, but he is a hard-working guy who is tenacious and versatile.

Exactly. I always get a kick out of the guys on here looking to credit Folden for developing guys like Perryman and Chick into lower picks than they would have been had they been in a better system with better coaching.

 

[The Franchise]

Daniel Jeremiah and Mike Mayock of the NFL Network have identified a couple ProCanes as the most impressive players on the field.

From Jeremiah:

Miami DE Anthony Chickillo: Chickillo (6-foot-4, 275 pounds) was a five-star prospect and a consensus national top-25 recruit in the 2011 recruiting class, one that also included Jadeveon Clowney, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Sammy Watkins, who were first-round picks in the 2014 draft. (Chickillo is one of two five-stars from the 2011 recruiting class in the Shrine Game; the other is Texas RB Malcom Brown.) Chickillo was a four-year starter at Miami, but never lived up to the recruiting hype. He had five sacks as a freshman in 2011, but that ended up being his career-high, and his total dropped every season (four in 2012, 3.5 in '13 and three this season). Still, he was a valuable player for the Hurricanes known for his high-revving motor and ended up being better against the run than was expected. Chickillo showed off his relentlessness and tenacity in almost every drill this week. "I can see him being a mid-round pick who will be around a long time," Jeremiah said.

How does that happen? What changed with Chick from Year 1 to Year 4? He doesn't have a history of being injured. Wasn't supplanted by some hotshot freshman or another player. Just sack totals, and I am sure tackles and tackle for loss totals just fell off like a washed up rapper.

Hope he kills at the Shrine Game and next level.

Year one he played 4-3 single gap DE. Years 2-4 he played 3-4 2-gap DE. Scheme is an abomination that is killing kids wallets.

Truthfully he had to move inside he wasnt as "twitchy" as McCord of Muhammed who were a problem last season as they rushed on obvious passing situations. So the question is do you market him as a pure 4-3 DE , which in my opinion he would have been average at best or make him a hybrid, which based on reviews from East/West has helped him. He doesnt have the sacks but he has the scheme diversity and is a hard-worker will make it. If he was 240 he would have been pushed around like he was as a Freshman .. I think we must have forgotten that he couldnt hold point of attack as Freshman ..

How many sacks has McCord, AQM, and Chad's twitchiness resulted in? Chick probably had more sacks than all 3 of those masters of twitch combined.

Think system. Think philosophy.

 

[Canesfan1899]

I think Chick would've been solid at 250-255. He was never going to be a terror off the edge but would've been a little quicker.

It would've also helped to have a DL coach actually teach pass rush moves. I think the only thing I ever saw out of our DE's was an attempted speed rush.

 

[BigDikCane]

I feel sorry for Chick... Golden turned him into a jag.

 

[kendallcanes]

I agree, but he was never at a Bosa level.

As an NFL prospect (not FBS prospect), even before the weight gain, his speed would be considered average, explosiveness - average, his ability to run down a quarterback - average.

Golden ruined (or diminished) his college career, but I don't think he hurt his NFL potential.

 

[capefearcane]

Who would have thought the U is the place for the NFL to pick up mid to late round value pick because the lack of development or misuse of the talent.

Well ME for one.

 

[904Cane]

Daniel Jeremiah and Mike Mayock of the NFL Network have identified a couple ProCanes as the most impressive players on the field.

From Jeremiah:

Miami DE Anthony Chickillo: Chickillo (6-foot-4, 275 pounds) was a five-star prospect and a consensus national top-25 recruit in the 2011 recruiting class, one that also included Jadeveon Clowney, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Sammy Watkins, who were first-round picks in the 2014 draft. (Chickillo is one of two five-stars from the 2011 recruiting class in the Shrine Game; the other is Texas RB Malcom Brown.) Chickillo was a four-year starter at Miami, but never lived up to the recruiting hype. He had five sacks as a freshman in 2011, but that ended up being his career-high, and his total dropped every season (four in 2012, 3.5 in '13 and three this season). Still, he was a valuable player for the Hurricanes known for his high-revving motor and ended up being better against the run than was expected. Chickillo showed off his relentlessness and tenacity in almost every drill this week. "I can see him being a mid-round pick who will be around a long time," Jeremiah said.

How does that happen? What changed with Chick from Year 1 to Year 4? He doesn't have a history of being injured. Wasn't supplanted by some hotshot freshman or another player. Just sack totals, and I am sure tackles and tackle for loss totals just fell off like a washed up rapper.

Hope he kills at the Shrine Game and next level.

Year one he played 4-3 single gap DE. Years 2-4 he played 3-4 2-gap DE. Scheme is an abomination that is killing kids wallets.

Truthfully he had to move inside he wasnt as "twitchy" as McCord of Muhammed who were a problem last season as they rushed on obvious passing situations. So the question is do you market him as a pure 4-3 DE , which in my opinion he would have been average at best or make him a hybrid, which based on reviews from East/West has helped him. He doesnt have the sacks but he has the scheme diversity and is a hard-worker will make it. If he was 240 he would have been pushed around like he was as a Freshman .. I think we must have forgotten that he couldnt hold point of attack as Freshman ..

How many sacks has McCord, AQM, and Chad's twitchiness resulted in? Chick probably had more sacks than all 3 of those masters of twitch combined.

Think system. Think philosophy.

McCord has more sacks than Chick career wise and he only played on 3rd downs early in his career I dont argue scheme could be better but you cant blame scheme for the inability to beat a block in an obvious passing situation especially since your a DE playing Tackle on 3rd downs..

It killed us that Muhammed couldnt play this season specifically McCord it gave us servicable pass rushers on both ends.

All three of them will have more sacks at the end of there Miami career. McCord has more right now with a year left to play ..