Desperation is Strong Here

[Cane Dynasty]

Having an obsessively negative outlook over things you can't control is the beginning of mental illness. This is simply a plea for sanity.

It's too late for me. Others may still have a chance at a normal life with enough therapy.

It's never too late for anyone.

I'm running low on lithium. :manicrolleyes:

 

[chicanego]

Perspective. You could use some.

This guy took over a program in late 2010 that was in complete shambles. He had two months to scrape together his first recruiting class, got blindsided by a three year long NCAA investigation of biblical proportions, stuck with us anyway when he easily could have left (and completely ****ed us) without any damage to his name, pulled in talented recruiting classes while handling the investigation & sanctions, and despite all that, he has won more games and lost fewer games every single year.

6-6
7-5
9-4

Yes, the defense has sucked. Yes, we missed on big time recruits. Yes, our stadium is empty. But the only thing that matters is wins and losses, and Golden hasn't failed us yet.

I'm excited to see what he can do now that he is free from the NCAA and has finally had some time to build a team with the players he recruited. Give me double digit wins this year and I'm happy.

Love the 6, 7, and 9-win argument. Look at our strength of schedule over those years. Relative to who we played last season, 9 wins is an absolute failure, particularly considering we didn't win the Coastal. You say he hasn't failed us yet. He sure did last season.

Perspective? Here's some perspective: 1-12 against teams with 5 or more wins, getting blown out by FSU three years in a row, and humiliating losses 2-10 Maryland, 4-8 Boston College, and 4-8 Virginia. Oh, and not to mention looking completely un-prepared and flat in his only bowl game.

Because we haven't shown any improvement over the years, it leads me to believe we'll never reach the upper echelon of College Football under this guy. But for cheerleaders like yourself, who consider beating Duke and winning the unbelievably ****ty ACC Coastal a success, I guess that's OK.

We go 12-0, we get a shot at a national title. Simple as that. **** strength of schedule.

But I'll dig into the weeds a little more than that, for the sake of other posters reading this.

Last year we beat FAU (6-6), UF (4-8), Savannah State (1-11), USF (2-10), GT (7-6), UNC (7-6), WF (4-8), UVA (2-10), and Pitt (7-6).

So while you say Golden is "1-12 against teams with 5 or more wins," just last year we beat 4 teams with 6+ wins and a top 10 Florida team that then got killed by injuries. Get your facts straight.

Aside from FSU, who, and I hate to say this, is clearly a better team than us right now, let's take a look at your "humiliating losses":

2-10 Maryland: The first game Golden ever coached here. Half our team was suspended. The remaining half wasn't Golden's team.
4-8 Boston College: Happened in Golden's first year, so it wasn't his team. Also happened 5 days after we announced that we weren't playing in a bowl game due to the NCAA scandal. That may have disheartened the team just a little bit.
4-8 Virginia: Lost in the last second 41-40. A legitimate difficult loss, our defense played like crap (as usual).

Yes, Louisville was a horrible loss, but you have to give them credit. That team is solid and led by one of the best quarterbacks, if not the best quarterback, in the nation. A top ten draft pick. We were missing our best player (by far).

I didn't really want to get into the weeds though.

You need to understand how overall win-loss records work. If our win-loss record improves season to season, these humiliating losses stop happening because we lose less games.

I'll ask you one simple question:

If we go 10-3, 11-2, 12-1, or 13-0 next year, are you going to be upset?

Pardon the typo on my end: You are correct. That was supposed to read 1-12 against teams with 8+ wins (still, IMO, a big problem considering our schedule and talent level).

I'm done arguing over the many bad losses under this guy. Apologists will claim they weren't his players, he had to recruit under the cloud, etc.

I see a coach with a scheme that doesn't fits its personnel (even with "his" players), a coach who refuses to make the necessary changes, and a coach that doesn't posses the ability to make in-game adjustments. Those are coaching problems. And given how evident they've been over 3 years, why think everything will suddenly change?

It's because of those reasons your question is irrelevant in my eyes. A 10+ win season would be great. Not betting the house on it though, 7 or 8 wins tops.

That's great that you see all these issues with every aspect of everything, and that somehow makes you believe my question is irrelevant, but my question is the only thing that is actually relevant.

It's extremely simple. We went 9-4 last year. You say a 10+ win season would be great.

If Golden continues his current trend (6-6, 7-5, 9-4, ...), then we will have a 10+ win season next year, and you will be happy.

So even though you currently believe he should be canned for ten million reasons, you regard the one thing that actually matters when it comes to your happiness as a fan -- the total number of wins -- as irrelevant.

If we don't win 10 next year, that's a clear step back. If we do, we're happy. That's it. I'm outta here.

I haven't been particularly articulate with this: Wins are, of course, all that matters.

I acknowledged your final question as irrelevant simply because we won't ever win 10+ games under Al Golden, IMO of course. Would it be nice, sure. But it's irrelevant cause it won't happen.

You continue to use the 6, 7, 9-win argument as a reason why 10+ is on deck for next season.

This is remarkably superficial and doesn't account for the lack of improvement (particularly on defense) over his entire tenure or strength of schedule.

Next year's schedule is tougher. We still have gaping holes at plenty of positions and plenty of questions marks at key positions (QB, DT). There is plenty to suggest we'll regress a bit next year, IMO of course.

 

[sebastian91]

One problem from the message board perspective is the arrogance, tone and extremes that people use when making their posts. Also when posters allude to certain elements like race (is Golden going to be fired after this year like Randy was after his 4 years), politics (Shalala) or that the NCAA investigation had no impact (the "cloud"), it doesn't exactly set a tone for reasonable discussion.

I'm not sure I read a lot of people saying Golden is infallible or deserves a life time contract because he is an awesome coach.

I don't think saying he has dealt with a lot more than the average coach has to deal with in his time at Miami so far is an unreasonable, homer or slurper statement. None of that changes that he still needs to start winning.

And.....since some of you clearly forgot --- it is not about being right.....it is about Miami winning football games.

I think this post right here exemplifies the issue with a lot of the garbage being posted on here lately. You start your post by referring to posters who take too "extreme" a stance....and then you turn around and refer to Golden as an "awesome" coach.

Forget awesome...if we put all emotion aside and look at the fact, the body of work, and the game by game details....he's below average at best.

Go find some perspective before you post something like this. You're right in that the only thing that matters is wins...and as Canes fans that's all we all want....but to ignore the fact that fraud of a coach is 1-11 against the only 12 teams he's played that have finished with winning records is the definition of ignorance.

The simple fact that at the END OF THIS THIRD FULL YEAR we manage to get blown out by the 18th best team in the country despite the fact we had 30 full days to prepare for the game tells you everything you need to know about the direction of the trend.

You missed the point.

 

[UMFarArcher]

One problem from the message board perspective is the arrogance, tone and extremes that people use when making their posts. Also when posters allude to certain elements like race (is Golden going to be fired after this year like Randy was after his 4 years), politics (Shalala) or that the NCAA investigation had no impact (the "cloud"), it doesn't exactly set a tone for reasonable discussion.

I'm not sure I read a lot of people saying Golden is infallible or deserves a life time contract because he is an awesome coach.

I don't think saying he has dealt with a lot more than the average coach has to deal with in his time at Miami so far is an unreasonable, homer or slurper statement. None of that changes that he still needs to start winning.

And.....since some of you clearly forgot --- it is not about being right.....it is about Miami winning football games.

I think this post right here exemplifies the issue with a lot of the garbage being posted on here lately. You start your post by referring to posters who take too "extreme" a stance....and then you turn around and refer to Golden as an "awesome" coach.

Forget awesome...if we put all emotion aside and look at the fact, the body of work, and the game by game details....he's below average at best.

Go find some perspective before you post something like this. You're right in that the only thing that matters is wins...and as Canes fans that's all we all want....but to ignore the fact that fraud of a coach is 1-11 against the only 12 teams he's played that have finished with winning records is the definition of ignorance.

The simple fact that at the END OF THIS THIRD FULL YEAR we manage to get blown out by the 18th best team in the country despite the fact we had 30 full days to prepare for the game tells you everything you need to know about the direction of the trend.

You missed the point.

I'm not so sure he did.

 

[sebastian91]

Fire the President of a top 50 University in the country, the best university in the 4th biggest state in the country, because the football team isn't winning as many games as you think they should?

Look, you and Donna go cheer for the goddam debate team.

This is a site about Miami Football.

Now you candyasses may find it perfectly acceptable to go to Prom the ugliest, extreme bucktoothed, assymetrical, knobby-legged, hunchbacked, one-eyed, big eared, retarded girl with a pimple that looks like a third eye, if you want to.

Some of us have some standards. Standards that have been attained five times. Standards attained from **** near scratch under both Schnellenberger and Davis.

Standards.

You call this siht - MIAMI Football standards? What's wrong with you? You guys 15 years old?

The fact that you don't grasp the role of a university President is pretty much all I need to know about you.
Keep beatin' that drum though, it's a good respite from the circle jerk you reside in.

Oh, believe me, this tool has a lot more delusion than he shows here. You should see some of the crazy *** **** he posted back in the day on CaneInsider.

 

[sebastian91]

One problem from the message board perspective is the arrogance, tone and extremes that people use when making their posts. Also when posters allude to certain elements like race (is Golden going to be fired after this year like Randy was after his 4 years), politics (Shalala) or that the NCAA investigation had no impact (the "cloud"), it doesn't exactly set a tone for reasonable discussion.

I'm not sure I read a lot of people saying Golden is infallible or deserves a life time contract because he is an awesome coach.

I don't think saying he has dealt with a lot more than the average coach has to deal with in his time at Miami so far is an unreasonable, homer or slurper statement. None of that changes that he still needs to start winning.

And.....since some of you clearly forgot --- it is not about being right.....it is about Miami winning football games.

I think this post right here exemplifies the issue with a lot of the garbage being posted on here lately. You start your post by referring to posters who take too "extreme" a stance....and then you turn around and refer to Golden as an "awesome" coach.

Forget awesome...if we put all emotion aside and look at the fact, the body of work, and the game by game details....he's below average at best.

Go find some perspective before you post something like this. You're right in that the only thing that matters is wins...and as Canes fans that's all we all want....but to ignore the fact that fraud of a coach is 1-11 against the only 12 teams he's played that have finished with winning records is the definition of ignorance.

The simple fact that at the END OF THIS THIRD FULL YEAR we manage to get blown out by the 18th best team in the country despite the fact we had 30 full days to prepare for the game tells you everything you need to know about the direction of the trend.

You missed the point.

I'm not so sure he did.

I'm shocked.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Fire the President of a top 50 University in the country, the best university in the 4th biggest state in the country, because the football team isn't winning as many games as you think they should?

Look, you and Donna go cheer for the goddam debate team.

This is a site about Miami Football.

Now you candyasses may find it perfectly acceptable to go to Prom the ugliest, extreme bucktoothed, assymetrical, knobby-legged, hunchbacked, one-eyed, big eared, retarded girl with a pimple that looks like a third eye, if you want to.

Some of us have some standards. Standards that have been attained five times. Standards attained from **** near scratch under both Schnellenberger and Davis.

Standards.

You call this siht - MIAMI Football standards? What's wrong with you? You guys 15 years old?

The fact that you don't grasp the role of a university President is pretty much all I need to know about you.
Keep beatin' that drum though, it's a good respite from the circle jerk you reside in.

Oh, believe me, this tool has a lot more delusion than he shows here. You should see some of the crazy *** **** he posted back in the day on CaneInsider.

When I make personal attacks like this I get sanctioned by Dmoney. I can only hope the playing field is level.

 

[dk72]

LOL @ "the whole blaming shalala thing is stupid".

I swear our fanbase is the dumbest in the nation. Ya guys she has nothing to do with it. Our athletic directors (focus on the "s" behind director) have flourished here.

So we've had multiple athletic directors. They've gone on to take jobs at institutions such as Nebraska that offered double what we could pay, and has an athletic budget and endowments FAR in excess of what a small school like Miami has. The other was never comfortable in Miami and left to get back closer to home.

So in your genius and amazing insight, what exactly, give me specifics, has Shalala done that is negative towards the football program?

I like the genius part - thanks.

Donna - and yes, I know it's you - you made some bad choices on coaches, each of which takes years to correct when you make a ****poor decision.

You then made some really ****poor decisions when it came to prematurely giving another bad hire some unbelievable contract extensions. You pick turds, and then fix it so that to get rid of the ****, it will cost the University millions of dollars! That stupidity is going to cost the U a lot of money - both long-term and short-term.

Just for that one, single, financial cost - you should lose your job. It's not like College Presidents are as rare as true NBA stars.

Then to compound the problem, these HC's are absolutely tanking our program.

But the icing is the lack of interest on your part to somehow try to get a home for Miami football - what could be a considerable revenue generating program.

Sorry, beitch, but that's how it is.

Donna does not hire coaches, the AD does. During her tenure, we've had 3 coaches. Coker, who was hired around the same time Donna came in, and who was a last minute hire thanks to Butch's last minute departure after promising he would be here. Shannon was a very popular choice at the time, and he was fired at the right time after being given sufficient opportunity. Al was one of the hot young up-and-comers, and it's too early to say he's a failure (unless you're an unreasonable person).

As for saying she's not trying to get a "home" for UM football, that, just like your other "points" is just stupid. There are very limited options, and most of those options are far from desirable or economically feasible.

 

[Bigtip]

One problem from the message board perspective is the arrogance, tone and extremes that people use when making their posts. Also when posters allude to certain elements like race (is Golden going to be fired after this year like Randy was after his 4 years), politics (Shalala) or that the NCAA investigation had no impact (the "cloud"), it doesn't exactly set a tone for reasonable discussion.

I'm not sure I read a lot of people saying Golden is infallible or deserves a life time contract because he is an awesome coach.

I don't think saying he has dealt with a lot more than the average coach has to deal with in his time at Miami so far is an unreasonable, homer or slurper statement. None of that changes that he still needs to start winning.

And.....since some of you clearly forgot --- it is not about being right.....it is about Miami winning football games.

I think this post right here exemplifies the issue with a lot of the garbage being posted on here lately. You start your post by referring to posters who take too "extreme" a stance....and then you turn around and refer to Golden as an "awesome" coach.

Forget awesome...if we put all emotion aside and look at the fact, the body of work, and the game by game details....he's below average at best.

Go find some perspective before you post something like this. You're right in that the only thing that matters is wins...and as Canes fans that's all we all want....but to ignore the fact that fraud of a coach is 1-11 against the only 12 teams he's played that have finished with winning records is the definition of ignorance.

The simple fact that at the END OF THIS THIRD FULL YEAR we manage to get blown out by the 18th best team in the country despite the fact we had 30 full days to prepare for the game tells you everything you need to know about the direction of the trend.

Poster misreads post reading through I Hate Golden glasses, then flips out. Proving the point that people are too extreme.

He also ignored the fact that the 1-11 record against teams with winning records is completely wrong as has already been pointed out in this thread. Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Pittsburgh all finished with winning records last year. Sure, he should have a couple more wins, but making up bull**** and arguing it as fact completely takes away from any valid points you're trying to make. This isn't Fox News. Both sides have valid points, but they're lost when the conversation moves to fake stats, name calling and manipulating comments

dont know who said that and what they said, but I'm pretty sure that the 1-11 is vs teams that finish with 5 losses OR LESS. those teams you mentioned all went 7-6

the lengths that you idiots go to to defend F.A.G. is mind boggling

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

It's always the same offenders. They have one agenda, to defend golden at all angles. It has no effect on anything. It's selfish. All it does is spoil the conversation.

FIFY

 

[UMFarArcher]

Fire the President of a top 50 University in the country, the best university in the 4th biggest state in the country, because the football team isn't winning as many games as you think they should?

Look, you and Donna go cheer for the goddam debate team.

This is a site about Miami Football.

Now you candyasses may find it perfectly acceptable to go to Prom the ugliest, extreme bucktoothed, assymetrical, knobby-legged, hunchbacked, one-eyed, big eared, retarded girl with a pimple that looks like a third eye, if you want to.

Some of us have some standards. Standards that have been attained five times. Standards attained from **** near scratch under both Schnellenberger and Davis.

Standards.

You call this siht - MIAMI Football standards? What's wrong with you? You guys 15 years old?

The fact that you don't grasp the role of a university President is pretty much all I need to know about you.
Keep beatin' that drum though, it's a good respite from the circle jerk you reside in.

Oh, believe me, this tool has a lot more delusion than he shows here. You should see some of the crazy *** **** he posted back in the day on CaneInsider.

When I make personal attacks like this I get sanctioned by Dmoney. I can only hope the playing field is level.

Its OK. He's still ****ed that I had to spank his *** a few times. That and . . . his sister. Forgive and forget is what I say.

DMoney - just let it go. The meds sometimes interact and things just go crazy for him - just forget that one.

The Athletic Director may say the words, but if you think Donna doesn't give him the words to say - you are going to realize a lot of disappointments in life.

I get it - under Donna's tenure, we siht all over Butch Davis over his contract, then we've had two losers for certain, and the third coach is rolling his carpet up - but it doesn't have anything to do with Donna. Is that what you're saying? Maybe you need to go sit over there with Captain Obvious and try to pick up some tips.

One other little thing: I find that what one decides to do, can generally get done. If the net revenue from the football program were put back into the football program and a stadium fund? We'd have had a stadium years and years ago - one really nice stadium.

Reality. It's a bietch.

 

[sebastian91]

LOL. What about my non-existent sister? Delusion. It's a bietch.

 

[UMFarArcher]

LOL. What about my non-existent sister? Delusion. It's a bietch.

You're a good man, Sebastian.

You simply have to embrace the audacious.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

LOL. What about my non-existent sister? Delusion. It's a bietch.

You're a good man, Sebastian.

You simply have to embrace the audacious.

Don't hate the player, hate the game?

 

[bransuperpower]

the one thing i dont get is a "Superstar" coach just walking on campus. dont you think every team in the nation wants a great coach? golden has been a good coach, everyone knows hes not great but what you dont want to start over and a coach is not better then the dude walking out the door. "Take a risk" you say? what if it doesn't pan out? when you start losing ties with these local players and coaches they are very hard to get back playing the coaching carousel.

i hate the job being done with the D just as much as any canes fan. our best bet is for dorito to "overachieve" and find another job

 

[Bigtip]

the one thing i dont get is a "Superstar" coach just walking on campus. dont you think every team in the nation wants a great coach? golden has been a good coach, everyone knows hes not great but what you dont want to start over and a coach is not better then the dude walking out the door. "Take a risk" you say? what if it doesn't pan out? when you start losing ties with these local players and coaches they are very hard to get back playing the coaching carousel.

i hate the job being done with the D just as much as any canes fan. our best bet is for dorito to "overachieve" and find another job

that is categorically false. he has almost the exact same record as Randy through 3 years vs a much weaker schedule. he has been poor as a coach (to put it nicely)

 

[BWCD]

yeah well the ones with pitchforks are right. F.A.G. sucks and there is ZERO question. the only question is WHEN will he be fired. it is a certainty that he will be fired.

so in the meantime we are languishing in a hellish purgatory. a F.A.G. purgatory

Well, we know which extreme you land on. Go back and sharpen your pitchfork a little more. Maybe a few more posts like this, and your absolute-no-question scenario that Golden will be fired will indeed happen. You've got to believe in the reality you want, I guess.

The rah-rah bytches are no better, by the way--cheering on Golden when he ***** the bed isn't a sane thing to do...ever. I'm not taking either side. I see a lot more negative than I do positive at this point in the program, but I also understand that my bytching or pulling $$$ from the program (even my small yearly donation) does nothing but hurt things than help.

I think we dog out Golden/NoDFrio/The Troll/Blake James rightfully at times, and then use them as punching dummies for every rustled jimmie that comes along at other times. As always...the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but as long as we've got tons of folks at both extremes.......sh1tty threads abound.

 

[Bigtip]

yeah well the ones with pitchforks are right. F.A.G. sucks and there is ZERO question. the only question is WHEN will he be fired. it is a certainty that he will be fired.

so in the meantime we are languishing in a hellish purgatory. a F.A.G. purgatory

Well, we know which extreme you land on. Go back and sharpen your pitchfork a little more. Maybe a few more posts like this, and your absolute-no-question scenario that Golden will be fired will indeed happen. You've got to believe in the reality you want, I guess.

The rah-rah bytches are no better, by the way--cheering on Golden when he ***** the bed isn't a sane thing to do...ever. I'm not taking either side. I see a lot more negative than I do positive at this point in the program, but I also understand that my bytching or pulling $$$ from the program (even my small yearly donation) does nothing but hurt things than help.

I think we dog out Golden/NoDFrio/The Troll/Blake James rightfully at times, and then use them as punching dummies for every rustled jimmie that comes along at other times. As always...the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but as long as we've got tons of folks at both extremes.......sh1tty threads abound.

the way that the 2013 season went considering how pathetic the defense has been for 3 straight years and the fact that nothing was done about it is all the evidence that any rational person would need to know that F.A.G. is garbage and wont last.

in what fairytale do you live in to think that this guy will all of a suddenly be a good coach one day?

 

[deleted1562]

Love the 6, 7, and 9-win argument. Look at our strength of schedule over those years. Relative to who we played last season, 9 wins is an absolute failure, particularly considering we didn't win the Coastal. You say he hasn't failed us yet. He sure did last season.

Perspective? Here's some perspective: 1-12 against teams with 5 or more wins, getting blown out by FSU three years in a row, and humiliating losses 2-10 Maryland, 4-8 Boston College, and 4-8 Virginia. Oh, and not to mention looking completely un-prepared and flat in his only bowl game.

Because we haven't shown any improvement over the years, it leads me to believe we'll never reach the upper echelon of College Football under this guy. But for cheerleaders like yourself, who consider beating Duke and winning the unbelievably ****ty ACC Coastal a success, I guess that's OK.

We go 12-0, we get a shot at a national title. Simple as that. **** strength of schedule.

But I'll dig into the weeds a little more than that, for the sake of other posters reading this.

Last year we beat FAU (6-6), UF (4-8), Savannah State (1-11), USF (2-10), GT (7-6), UNC (7-6), WF (4-8), UVA (2-10), and Pitt (7-6).

So while you say Golden is "1-12 against teams with 5 or more wins," just last year we beat 4 teams with 6+ wins and a top 10 Florida team that then got killed by injuries. Get your facts straight.

Aside from FSU, who, and I hate to say this, is clearly a better team than us right now, let's take a look at your "humiliating losses":

2-10 Maryland: The first game Golden ever coached here. Half our team was suspended. The remaining half wasn't Golden's team.
4-8 Boston College: Happened in Golden's first year, so it wasn't his team. Also happened 5 days after we announced that we weren't playing in a bowl game due to the NCAA scandal. That may have disheartened the team just a little bit.
4-8 Virginia: Lost in the last second 41-40. A legitimate difficult loss, our defense played like crap (as usual).

Yes, Louisville was a horrible loss, but you have to give them credit. That team is solid and led by one of the best quarterbacks, if not the best quarterback, in the nation. A top ten draft pick. We were missing our best player (by far).

I didn't really want to get into the weeds though.

You need to understand how overall win-loss records work. If our win-loss record improves season to season, these humiliating losses stop happening because we lose less games.

I'll ask you one simple question:

If we go 10-3, 11-2, 12-1, or 13-0 next year, are you going to be upset?

Pardon the typo on my end: You are correct. That was supposed to read 1-12 against teams with 8+ wins (still, IMO, a big problem considering our schedule and talent level).

I'm done arguing over the many bad losses under this guy. Apologists will claim they weren't his players, he had to recruit under the cloud, etc.

I see a coach with a scheme that doesn't fits its personnel (even with "his" players), a coach who refuses to make the necessary changes, and a coach that doesn't posses the ability to make in-game adjustments. Those are coaching problems. And given how evident they've been over 3 years, why think everything will suddenly change?

It's because of those reasons your question is irrelevant in my eyes. A 10+ win season would be great. Not betting the house on it though, 7 or 8 wins tops.

That's great that you see all these issues with every aspect of everything, and that somehow makes you believe my question is irrelevant, but my question is the only thing that is actually relevant.

It's extremely simple. We went 9-4 last year. You say a 10+ win season would be great.

If Golden continues his current trend (6-6, 7-5, 9-4, ...), then we will have a 10+ win season next year, and you will be happy.

So even though you currently believe he should be canned for ten million reasons, you regard the one thing that actually matters when it comes to your happiness as a fan -- the total number of wins -- as irrelevant.

If we don't win 10 next year, that's a clear step back. If we do, we're happy. That's it. I'm outta here.

I haven't been particularly articulate with this: Wins are, of course, all that matters.

I acknowledged your final question as irrelevant simply because we won't ever win 10+ games under Al Golden, IMO of course. Would it be nice, sure. But it's irrelevant cause it won't happen.

You continue to use the 6, 7, 9-win argument as a reason why 10+ is on deck for next season.

This is remarkably superficial and doesn't account for the lack of improvement (particularly on defense) over his entire tenure or strength of schedule.

Next year's schedule is tougher. We still have gaping holes at plenty of positions and plenty of questions marks at key positions (QB, DT). There is plenty to suggest we'll regress a bit next year, IMO of course.

Valid arguments, and if we don't win 10 next year I'll be the first person to say changes need to be made, in particular, canning D'Onofrio. We'd have to really **** the bed for me to say fire Golden at the end of next year.

But until then, your guess about next season is as good as mine. My opinion is I understand the external factors that hurt this program that Golden has very little control over, and I've seen improvement in what I care about -- wins & losses, so I'm happy letting Golden do his thing.

Civil internet debate, I appreciate it.

 

[OBLIVION]

This program needs Lifecall

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