Dave Clawson

Also don't want someone who intends to use UM as a quick stop on the way to a Penn State or LSU or the NFL.

I don't mind somebody with NFL aspirations, 3 out of our 4 HCs that went on to NFL & WFL head coaching gigs won Natties and 2 Super Bowls.

It's the using UM for another College gig that gets me (see Al Golden), we're not UCF or another GO5 program.
 
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Yeah his north eastern Al Golden like career just screams Miami. Really knows the area, being from NY & having never coached south of Winston-Salem.

Or maybe its that resume. A real who's who of big time schools. Albany, Buffalo, Lehigh, Villanova, Fordham, Richmond, Bowling Green & 1 year running the always powerful Tennessee offense.

Or how about that 136-124 career record & that 3-4 bowl record?

For the love of god, stop falling in love with the flavor of the moment. Last week it was Stoops. Week before that it was the Arkansas coach. I'd like to see more than "won in a down year in the ACC."

We can do better.
Al Golden came from Temple....Clawson is and has been beating ACC teams. I agree with the flavor of the moment thing. In fairness, if this guy can annually get Wake Forest of all schools to the mid tier bowls, I'd like to see what he can do with Miami talent.

Not my 1st choice though
 
Real ?, and shout out to @allboutthechu for highlighting this, but can someone definitively explain what does “fit” mean to coach this team?

I think most people including myself use "fit" in hindsight. But looking back at it you can see some things in the histories of the last 5 HCs that we've had to see why it didn't work out.
 
Chadwell was my brother’s college roommate their first 2 years at ETSU before my brother transferred to Wake Forest. He used to stop by the house when I was younger and he was coaching at ETSU. Great guy but he reminds me of Mike Gundy (not just the mullet) or Satterfield. Country guy and old school personality. A lot of people probably say he wouldn’t fit.. I can’t make up my mind on that. You would have said the same about Jimmy, Butch, and Dennis.. Chadwell definitely doesn’t have the charisma Jimmy had though.

Good coach. Good X&O guy and I like his scheme. I’d be concerned about his lack of connections for staff at this level. He’d likely lose his DC because he’d probably get the HC job at Coastal.
That's tough because I like.Gundy but don't like.him at the same time.
 
I think most people including myself use "fit" in hindsight. But looking back at it you can see some things in the histories of the last 5 HCs that we've had to see why it didn't work out.
I think neither Jimmy Johnson nor Dennis Erickson were "fits". Big 12 option guy and a wac guy. Both turned out ok. We just need someone who knows how to motivate, coach and recruit. I don't care where they are from. Except I absolutely know I don't want any coach from Temple or Schiano.
 
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I don't mind somebody with NFL aspirations, 3 out of our 4 HCs that went on to NFL & WFL head coaching gigs won Natties and 2 Super Bowls.

It's the using UM for another College gig that gets me (see Al Golden), we're not UCF or another GO5 program.
Give me an ambitious guy, and you'll get a well coached Miami team. The program has been run like a country club for almost two decades, time for that to change.
 
Chadwell was my brother’s college roommate their first 2 years at ETSU before my brother transferred to Wake Forest. He used to stop by the house when I was younger and he was coaching at ETSU. Great guy but he reminds me of Mike Gundy (not just the mullet) or Satterfield. Country guy and old school personality. A lot of people probably say he wouldn’t fit.. I can’t make up my mind on that. You would have said the same about Jimmy, Butch, and Dennis.. Chadwell definitely doesn’t have the charisma Jimmy had though.

Good coach. Good X&O guy and I like his scheme. I’d be concerned about his lack of connections for staff at this level. He’d likely lose his DC because he’d probably get the HC job at Coastal.

Curious are you familiar with the below rumor on Chadwell some years back?

While at Charleston Southern during the end of the 2015 season Georgia Southern was interested in him as a HC candidate. There was a rumor that he only wanted to go to a university where the administration was invested into putting resources in building and progressing its football program. Allegedly after doing some digging he found that Georgia Southern leadership was not investing in its football program as it should and was living off of its past football accomplishments (like Miami) and Chadwell supposedly became disinterested in the job.

If true it kind of speaks to his ability to identify the right fit, just as everyone else keeps bringing up the fit from a fans perceived point of view.

Either way I been watching all of their games the past two seasons and I agree he is an elite offensive mind and runs a great scheme. And it appears he know how to recruit and develop players that fit his scheme. If he came here I could see it working if he didn't try to go the Scott Frost route by brining his whole staff. As an example he would benefit by keeping say Fields and Hickson while adding other P5 coaches with experience and only bringing a few coastal coaches with him if needed.

I include him in the candidate list of coaches like Herman, Freeze, and etc. where their offensive brilliance is what is intriguing and they need to be paired with a good DC and recruiting staff to give themselves the best chance at success.

Napier is just slightly below them as a play caller since he calls his own plays as well, but is on par with if not better as a recruiter.

Mario is obviously the CEO type and probably the best recruiter of the bunch.

Fickell, Hafley, Clawson, are great culture builders and have proven the ability to compete with less talent.

Pros and Cons to all I am leaning towards the offensive minds or Mario, but I think they all can succeed if they put the right supporting pieces around themselves.
 
I firmly believe that we need to do our due diligency here, I think Miami rn is a rebuild job, whoever we hire will need at least 3 classes to get this thing going right, we need toi reshape the culture and roster go get somebody that can come out on top on year 4 and 5.

As for Clawson, I don't really know what to make of the MIami fit stuff, I do think he would need a couple of classes to get acclimated with recruiting at the level you're supposed to at big time CFB. I also worry about what kind of asistants he can get to come here.
 
Last time I watched Wake they discussed at length that he recruits guys that he knows will be around for 4/5 years, that he prefers an “old” team.
You want to completely change the type of player that’s recruited to Miami? fine… But don’t ***** about it later.
How many players from the 8th ranked recruiting class of 18 are still here? Most transferred out with only the only transfer, Joyner doing well. Only 2 went to nfl early, Brevin and Rousseau. 2 start on o, Mallory and scaife. on d only nesta.
So yes maybe we should recruit kids who won’t transfer after 1 or 2 seasons.

so not only are we not developing players which clawson does well, we are not getting recruits that will stay here.

also how well have “miami caliber recruits” done in last 16 years? Just get a fu$$$ing coach who knows how to coach and develop players.
 
Pruitt didn’t work out, true but you were feeling that Schiano hire?
I wasn’t but I felt like they left some decent coaches on the table, like Clawson and Mullen. Also shows Tennessee fans don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
 
Who really knows what coach is a fit or not??

I want a coach who has a game plan and can develop players.

But first and foremost, I want a coach who has head coaching experience!
I’d interview him if a few bigger names said no but I’m not sure how well he’d recruit down here. Winning 8-9 games with two and three stars is great for WF but that gets you nowhere at Miami.
 
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I’d interview him if a few bigger names said no but I’m not sure how well he’d recruit down here. Winning 8-9 games with two and three stars is great for WF but that gets you nowhere at Miami.
I’ll take 8-9 games winning at this point over winning 6-7 games with multiple blow out losses each season, losing every bowl game, while watching players regress with each year. He would be the best hc at miami in the 21st century. He’d win minimum 10 games next year easily if he’s hc.

id still rather O’Brien
 
Clawson should be ahead of Mario. Clawson is winning at WAKE FOREST. That's impressive as ****, and he's shown the ability to get the most out of the talent available to him. He should also be the kind of guy that is well within our budget. Get Clawson a raise, give him a budget to do what he needs to do and go from there. He's the kind of hire that won't win the press conference, but Miami would be a competently coached team.

Unfortunately, Miami wouldn't make such a rational hire. If I had a say, I'd hire Wake's AD, AND CLAWSON.
More unfortunate is our fans would flip out over this hire even though he’s easily the best hc this century at miami and it’s not even close
 
I have a favorite (Mario), but its probably not the reasons everyone else wants him. Otherwise its more of a checklist than a specific name though.

I want someone who has experience recruiting 4 & 5* recruits. Someone who has actually done it before and knows how to talk to them. Clawson for example has signed two 4* in his entire career. One was 24 spots away from being a 3*. I'd prefer someone who knows how to deal with those types instead of thinking they're the smartest guy in the room and can just win without the top prospects if they say no thanks. Ideally they'd also be familiar with recruiting in the south in general, since there are some positions that we'll have to leave the state for.

I'm over the big 10 lifers. The northeast is different than the south. Guys like Fickle who have never coached outside of Ohio don't make sense to me. There are a few guys like that being thrown around. Really want to avoid an ******* like Schiano too. And there's a difference between an ******* and a disciplinarian.

Also don't want someone who intends to use UM as a quick stop on the way to a Penn State or LSU or the NFL. That will just leave us in the same ****** position in 4 years.

One final thing is I'd like a coach who isn't running an outdated O. I don't mean an O that's just hit or miss. I mean.. No more pro style offenses or ground and pound offenses or whatever the **** Enos ran. Those are outdated and we'll hate the **** out of them for it.
Stoops (who I don't necessarily dislike) runs one of these. Kentucky is 22nd rush yards per game but only 97 in pass attempts. That would not exactly be well received here.

Nobody we can bring in will be perfect, but some stuff should just be common sense.
I feel you on a lot of those points. But here’s the thing, it doesn’t matter what type of offense comes in. The only thing that matters is that they score points. If we go back to pro style and are hanging 40pts a game it doesn’t matter and you wouldn’t complain lol . Yeah as fans we all want a certain type of offense but at this point it really doesn’t matter. Just score.

Those recruiting mentions are overstated. Winning brings recruits, it’s that simple lol. as long as you don’t have complete morons trying to talk to kids then you’ll get kids when winning.

**You don’t recruit then win, you win then recruit.**
 
I’ll take 8-9 games winning at this point over winning 6-7 games with multiple blow out losses each season, losing every bowl game, while watching players regress with each year. He would be the best hc at miami in the 21st century. He’d win minimum 10 games next year easily if he’s hc.

id still rather O’Brien
I understand the logic in taking 8-9 wins and winning the Duke’s Mayo Bowl, but how long until that’s not good enough? At what point is that not enough? He’s a good coach and I’m a fan of his but he’s not going to recruit the talent to win a title here. JMO

10 games is a stretch. The lines here aren’t very good and there’s a bunch of dead weight. If you look at his track record he’s not a one year miracle worker. It’s a slow build.
 
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