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DAILY DEBATE: What did you see from Markel Bell at LT?

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E1k said:
Whats the difference from LT?
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Traditionally the RT doesn't face the twitchy speed rushers as much as the LT does. The RT faces bigger stronger type DEs. The LT also protects the QBs blindside(unless QB is a lefty) and is considered the most important and most difficult position to play on the OL. LTs are also paid the most generally speaking.
 
San Amaro Dr said:
My initial thoughts:


They trusted him enough to get the start while protecting our biggest asset. He clearly understands the playbook enough to get the nod.


What he lacks in physicality, he makes up for in effort and physical traits. Not a great punch in pass pro and locks out arms, holds on for the ride so to speak. I would say, I'd be pretty nervous going into a USF/VT with him at LT. My question is how long is the learning curve for him to get a real feel for the position. Gotta get comfortable enough to win the pass pro fights with single punches rather than throwing both. Better players will have counters.

I do think he moves well enough to play here though.
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Another McNally disciple! One arm is longer than 2!
 
Needs some polishing that will come with the best OL coach in the country and more snaps. It does feel good that he is a backup option
 
Game 1 for him. A little heavy footed, but so is Mauigoa and Rivers too. He needs strength, at 6’8 320, he needs to improve his power base. With that being said, I hope Rivers is back for USF. I have no doubt Bell will be fine under this staff. We all thought we were fvcked with Rivers at LT too last year. Just keep getting Bell reps against the best DE’s that he will see all season in practice, and he will blossom.
 
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Wow I didn’t realize we had so many offensive line experts on here. I’m sure you all definitely know what you’re talking about when you’re evaluating a player at this level
 
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252cane said:
probably better fit at RT
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And why is that? Do we run to the right more? Is that where we usually align a TE? Do defenses not know how to move a DE around to create better matchups?

There is effectively no difference between LT and RT. Even the idea of a blindside, if a right handed QB is looking left, his right side is his blind side...
 
FrancisSawyer said:
Traditionally the RT doesn't face the twitchy speed rushers as much as the LT does. The RT faces bigger stronger type DEs. The LT also protects the QBs blindside(unless QB is a lefty) and is considered the most important and most difficult position to play on the OL. LTs are also paid the most generally speaking.
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Fully disagree. The "taditionally" part that you began that sentence with is why it's wrong. Sure traditionally that is the case. Traditionally doesn't apply today. Today, DEs move around a lot more - especially following the offensive strength/TE. So unless we are an offense that for some reason is putting the TE on the Right 60% of the time, there will basically be no difference. And defenses should absolutely be smart enough to move a DE around to create best matchups. Also I'd bet almost every top EDGE in the country/NFL would be listed primarily as a LE, not RE, which would match them up against the RT.

The two largest OT contracts in the NFL right now are Tristan Wirfs and Penei Sewell, both of whom are/were RTs (Wirfs played his first 4 years at RT, then switched to LT last year). And pretty sure the reason they switched Wirfs to LT was they lost their LT to FA, and they had Luke Goedeke in line to become starter - and he was also a RT. And he had moved from TE to RT at Central Michigan, and that's all he's ever played. So I don't even think Wirfs moving was for the "traditional" reason either, I think it was literally because they trusted him being able to play both more than Goedeke.

The only reason to be swapping LT/RT is for what the actual player is more comfortable with especially since they usually play one side like their entire college career and to get the best 5 on the field.
 
Calinative said:
And why is that? Do we run to the right more? Is that where we usually align a TE? Do defenses not know how to move a DE around to create better matchups?

There is effectively no difference between LT and RT. Even the idea of a blindside, if a right handed QB is looking left, his right side is his blind side...
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There is a difference. Why do you think some guys get labeled strictly as a RT? And if a right handed qb is looking left his body is still pointed to the right and his head is only slightly turned. So you can still see a pass rusher coming from the right but not the left which is his blind side where the best pass protector usually lines up……
 
Calinative said:
Fully disagree. The "taditionally" part that you began that sentence with is why it's wrong. Sure traditionally that is the case. Traditionally doesn't apply today. Today, DEs move around a lot more - especially following the offensive strength/TE. So unless we are an offense that for some reason is putting the TE on the Right 60% of the time, there will basically be no difference. And defenses should absolutely be smart enough to move a DE around to create best matchups.

The two largest OT contracts in the NFL right now are Tristan Wirfs and Penei Sewell, both of whom are/were RTs (Wirfs played his first 4 years at RT, then switched to LT last year). And pretty sure the reason they switched Wirfs to LT was they lost their LT to FA, and they had Luke Goedeke in line to become starter - and he was also a RT. And he had moved from TE to RT at Central Michigan, and that's all he's ever played. So I don't even think Wirfs moving was for the "traditional" reason either, I think it was literally because they trusted him being able to play both more than Goedeke.

The only reason to be swapping LT/RT is for what the actual player is more comfortable with especially since they usually play one side like their entire college career and to get the best 5 on the field.
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You literally just answered your own question and proved the point. Sewell was a LT at Oregon and the nfl didn’t think he was a LT so they put him at RT. Why didn’t they think he could play LT?
 
252cane said:
There is a difference. Why do you think some guys get labeled strictly as a RT? And if a right handed qb is looking left his body is still pointed to the right and his head is only slightly turned. So you can still see a pass rusher coming from the right but not the left which is his blind side where the best pass protector usually lines up……
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I think some guys get labeled strictly a RT because of A) Old way of thinking about things B) Because that player has played RT his entire life. It isn't just easy to switch sides after years and years of training. And once a player has that time under his belt, you're only going to ask the top guys to make the switch because you're more confident in their ability to.

Have you ever watched a Qb throw to the left? They don't have their entire body pointed to the right and only their head and eyes to the left lol. Shoulders and feet will be pointed in the general direction they are looking. The EDGE to the right will be out of view if they are looking at a WR towards the left sideline. It's just physics. Eyes don't gain peripheral vision to the side of your dominant hand lol. If you are looking left you will mainly see 60degrees to the right. If you're looking right you will see 60 degrees to the left... In either of those situations the EDGE can/will be out of view.
 
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252cane said:
You literally just answered your own question and proved the point. Sewell was a LT at Oregon and the nfl didn’t think he was a LT so they put him at RT. Why didn’t they think he could play LT?
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You are literally wrong. They had Taylor Decker at LT who had been starting there for like 6 years already lol.
Notice Penei Sewell is better than Taylor Decker, yet they didn't move Decker to RT...
 
Calinative said:
You are literally wrong. They had Taylor Decker at LT who had been starting there for like 6 years already lol.
Notice Penei Sewell is better than Taylor Decker, yet they didn't move Decker to RT...
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No im not wrong. I didnt say the lions. I said nfl. It’s a fact when Sewell came out nobody felt he was a LT. They labeled him as a RT or guard. It had nothing to do with sorry áss Taylor decker. They said the same about him coming out of hs but Mario and Mirabal put him at LT
 
252cane said:
No im not wrong. I didnt say the lions. I said nfl. It’s a fact when Sewell came out nobody felt he was a LT. They labeled him as a RT or guard. It had nothing to do with sorry áss Taylor decker
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I don't know if a comment can be more wrong than the **** you just typed.
 
Calinative said:
I think some guys get labeled strictly a RT because of A) Old way of thinking about things B) Because that player has played RT his entire life. It isn't just easy to switch sides after years and years of training. And once a player has that time under his belt, you're only going to ask the top guys to make the switch because you're more confident in their ability to.

Have you ever watched a Qb throw to the left? They don't have their entire body pointed to the right and only their head and eyes to the left lol. Shoulders and feet will be pointed in the general direction they are looking. The EDGE to the right will be out of view if they are looking at a WR towards the left sideline. It's just physics. Eyes don't gain peripheral vision to the side of your dominant hand lol. If you are looking left you will mainly see 60degrees to the right. If you're looking right you will see 60 degrees to the left... In either of those situations the EDGE can/will be out of view.
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The front of your body is pointed to the right until you make the throw and you obviously never played football and had on pads and a helmet
 
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