College Football Hall of Fame

The thread went in an obvious direction. 1LuvCane is a MAGA boy who picks fights with me over politics...oh, but he'll "disguise" it by acting like he is nitpicking my post on the CF-HOF.

Miami won 5 national championships under 4 coaches over a 20 year span. Ranked nearly every year for a 20+ year span.

Here's the list of modern-era Miami CF-HOF inductees:

Bennie Blades (9 year wait after initial eligibility, Thorpe Award winner)
Gino Torretta (7 year wait after initial eligibility, Heisman Trophy winner)
Russell Maryland (11 year wait after initial eligibility, Outland Trophy winner)
Vinnie Testaverde (17 year wait after initial eligibility, Heisman Trophy winner)
Ed Reed (8 year wait after initial eligibility, the only one without an award as best in position/best in college)

and

Jimmy Johnson (24 year wait after initial eligibility)

Ken Dorsey?
Dan Morgan?
Warren Sapp?
Bryant McKinnie?
Brett Romberg?

All of those guys won major individual awards.

All Americans 1980-2005 (thus all are eligible for CF-HOF):

Jim Burt
Fred Marion (5th round draft choice)
Danny Miller (11th round)
Lester Williams (1st round)
Jay Brophy (2nd round)
Eddie Brown (1st round)
Willie Smith (10th round)
Jerome Brown (1st round)
Dan Stubbs (2nd round)
Cleveland Gary (1st round)
Bill Hawkins (1st round)
Steve Walsh (1st round)
Greg Mark (3rd round)
Maurice Crum
Carlos Huerta (12th round)
Leon Searcy (1st round)
Darrin Smith (2nd round)
Darryl Williams (1st round)
Kevin Williams (2nd round)
Michael Barrow (2nd round)
Ryan McNeil (2nd round)
Kevin Patrick
CJ Richardson (7th round)
Warren motherfvckin Sapp (1st round)
Ray motherfvckin Lewis (1st round)
KC Jones
Richard Mercier (5th round)
Bubba Franks (1st round)
Dan Morgan (1st round)
Santana Moss (1st round)
Joaquin Gonzalez
Bryant McKinnie (1st round)
Phillip Buchanon (1st round)
Jeremy Shockey (1st round)
Todd Sievers
Ken Dorsey (7th round)
Jerome McDougle (1st round)
Willis McGahee (1st round)
Brett Romberg
Sean motherfvckin Taylor (1st round)
Kellen literal motherfvckin Winslow (1st round)
Antrel Rolle (1st round)
Devin Hester (2nd round)
Eric Winston (3rd round)
Brandon Meriweather (1st round)
Kelly Jennings (1st round)

(I listed the NFL draft positions, because of the indications that these were some of the best overall players in college football in those years, these are not just cheap All-American awards for "best long snapper" or some such)

and

Dennis Erickson (eligible)
Butch Davis (eligible)
Larry Coker (eligible)



Yale has 24 players in (remember, the CF-HOF didn't even start until 1951, last claimed national championship was 1927)
Army has 24 players in (last claimed national championship was 1946)
Navy has 22 players in (last claimed national championship was 1926)
Princeton has 21 players in (last claimed national championship was 1950)
Harvard has 18 players in (last claimed national championship was 1920)
Penn has 18 players in (last claimed national championship was 1924)

Miami has SEVEN players in, the 5 from the modern era, plus Ted Hendricks and Don Bosseler. Coaches Jack Harding and Andy Gustafson were the first 2 UM inductees, until The Mad Stork finally was inducted in 1987 after waiting for 9 years. Ted was our FIRST player inducted. In 1987. We got Don Bosseler in 1990 (after he waited for 24 years), and our THIRD EVER player inducted came SIXTEEN YEARS LATER, in 2006, when Bennie Blades finally got in.

Ridiculous.



Oh, sure, but the MAGA crowd is going to go after my CF-HOF posts out of their political frustration.
Still defending your point trying to use my name in vane? Thanks for the accolade. Canes don't need the cfbhof to be relevant. Obviously you need me for you're relevance. Next time be a big man and @ me.
 
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The thread went in an obvious direction. 1LuvCane is a MAGA boy who picks fights with me over politics...oh, but he'll "disguise" it by acting like he is nitpicking my post on the CF-HOF.

Miami won 5 national championships under 4 coaches over a 20 year span. Ranked nearly every year for a 20+ year span.

Here's the list of modern-era Miami CF-HOF inductees:

Bennie Blades (9 year wait after initial eligibility, Thorpe Award winner)
Gino Torretta (7 year wait after initial eligibility, Heisman Trophy winner)
Russell Maryland (11 year wait after initial eligibility, Outland Trophy winner)
Vinnie Testaverde (17 year wait after initial eligibility, Heisman Trophy winner)
Ed Reed (8 year wait after initial eligibility, the only one without an award as best in position/best in college)

and

Jimmy Johnson (24 year wait after initial eligibility)

Ken Dorsey?
Dan Morgan?
Warren Sapp?
Bryant McKinnie?
Brett Romberg?

All of those guys won major individual awards.

All Americans 1980-2005 (thus all are eligible for CF-HOF):

Jim Burt
Fred Marion (5th round draft choice)
Danny Miller (11th round)
Lester Williams (1st round)
Jay Brophy (2nd round)
Eddie Brown (1st round)
Willie Smith (10th round)
Jerome Brown (1st round)
Dan Stubbs (2nd round)
Cleveland Gary (1st round)
Bill Hawkins (1st round)
Steve Walsh (1st round)
Greg Mark (3rd round)
Maurice Crum
Carlos Huerta (12th round)
Leon Searcy (1st round)
Darrin Smith (2nd round)
Darryl Williams (1st round)
Kevin Williams (2nd round)
Michael Barrow (2nd round)
Ryan McNeil (2nd round)
Kevin Patrick
CJ Richardson (7th round)
Warren motherfvckin Sapp (1st round)
Ray motherfvckin Lewis (1st round)
KC Jones
Richard Mercier (5th round)
Bubba Franks (1st round)
Dan Morgan (1st round)
Santana Moss (1st round)
Joaquin Gonzalez
Bryant McKinnie (1st round)
Phillip Buchanon (1st round)
Jeremy Shockey (1st round)
Todd Sievers
Ken Dorsey (7th round)
Jerome McDougle (1st round)
Willis McGahee (1st round)
Brett Romberg
Sean motherfvckin Taylor (1st round)
Kellen literal motherfvckin Winslow (1st round)
Antrel Rolle (1st round)
Devin Hester (2nd round)
Eric Winston (3rd round)
Brandon Meriweather (1st round)
Kelly Jennings (1st round)

(I listed the NFL draft positions, because of the indications that these were some of the best overall players in college football in those years, these are not just cheap All-American awards for "best long snapper" or some such)

and

Dennis Erickson (eligible)
Butch Davis (eligible)
Larry Coker (eligible)



Yale has 24 players in (remember, the CF-HOF didn't even start until 1951, last claimed national championship was 1927)
Army has 24 players in (last claimed national championship was 1946)
Navy has 22 players in (last claimed national championship was 1926)
Princeton has 21 players in (last claimed national championship was 1950)
Harvard has 18 players in (last claimed national championship was 1920)
Penn has 18 players in (last claimed national championship was 1924)

Miami has SEVEN players in, the 5 from the modern era, plus Ted Hendricks and Don Bosseler. Coaches Jack Harding and Andy Gustafson were the first 2 UM inductees, until The Mad Stork finally was inducted in 1987 after waiting for 9 years. Ted was our FIRST player inducted. In 1987. We got Don Bosseler in 1990 (after he waited for 24 years), and our THIRD EVER player inducted came SIXTEEN YEARS LATER, in 2006, when Bennie Blades finally got in.

Ridiculous.



Oh, sure, but the MAGA crowd is going to go after my CF-HOF posts out of their political frustration.
Love your drill down material. I'm a Trump supporter too, big time one actually, but nothing trumps my love of Canes. Truthfully, I had no idea of your politics. I argue with you because it is hard to find decent discourse with anyone other than a fellow UM Law grad.

Now, not to start another tiff, I figure 320 plus electoral votes in November for second 4 years. I hate both political parties, but if you have a horse in the race, do you have a projection on the vote that matters?
 
Love your drill down material. I'm a Trump supporter too, big time one actually, but nothing trumps my love of Canes. Truthfully, I had no idea of your politics. I argue with you because it is hard to find decent discourse with anyone other than a fellow UM Law grad.

Now, not to start another tiff, I figure 320 plus electoral votes in November for second 4 years. I hate both political parties, but if you have a horse in the race, do you have a projection on the vote that matters?
If the President says the cfbhof is trash and it sucks. The tax attorney will turn on the Canes on a dime.
 
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Love your drill down material. I'm a Trump supporter too, big time one actually, but nothing trumps my love of Canes. Truthfully, I had no idea of your politics. I argue with you because it is hard to find decent discourse with anyone other than a fellow UM Law grad.

Now, not to start another tiff, I figure 320 plus electoral votes in November for second 4 years. I hate both political parties, but if you have a horse in the race, do you have a projection on the vote that matters?


This year will be insanity when it comes to the electoral college, I think the truer indicator will be states that allow absentee ballots vs. those that do not.

Again, some guys on the board don't know how to DISCUSS politics without making things political. I was a Political Science major, so I can swing it.

To take just an example, when Wisconsin decided NOT to allow the mail-in ballots for the primary, the number of in-person polling places in Milwaukee dropped from over 100 to 5. When you layer in (a) lack of funding for an "unusual" election cycle, (b) the cost of new machinery, (c) the likelihood that many poll-workers (who are largely volunteer and/or elderly) might not show up, (d) the disincentive to vote in person when anyone sees/expects long lines at polling locations, and (e) the relative differentiation between more "Democrat-leaning" city voters and more "Republican-leaning" rural voters, then you might get "electoral college" outcomes that are very different from "opinion-polling" numbers.

Thus, you might be able to look at, again, say Wisconsin, and for the next 5 months, the polls may be showing that the state will flip to Biden. However, if people cannot vote by mail, and if the practicalities of in-person voting results in a greater "non-vote" in urban areas, then you could have a result which skews the outcome (vs. the overall support for the candidates). For instance, pretend that Wisconsin is polling 55-45 Biden over Trump. That type of a margin would be beyond error, from a statistical sense. One would begin to project that Biden will win the state and take all of the electoral votes. But if the availability of polling places/machines/workers/tabulations causes a decreased actual vote count in urban areas, but not as big of an impact on rural areas, then you could get an actual outcome of, say, 51-49 Trump over Biden, which then awards all of the electoral votes to Trump.

What is interesting is that most of the states that (so far) are not allowing mail-in ballots, or require a reason, or give a state the ability to reject a mail-in request, tend to be in the South. And if you expect the South to go for Trump, then one could make the argument that this really shouldn't make much of a difference, that Trump would "carry Alabama" whether Alabama allows mail-in ballots or not.

Therefore, the true differential comes down to swing states, particularly "purple" southern states (such as Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina) and rust belt states (Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin).

The bottom line is this. Right now, in statewide races, the polling numbers for Lindsey Graham (SC) and Mitch McConnell (TN) are not great. Those guys may actually lose. And maybe they lose by 1 vote, but that is all it takes. But when a presidential candidate wins those states, he gets ALL of the electoral votes, so the "close wins" count a lot more than the runaway wins. Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump, but her biggest margin was in California, and she didn't get any extra electoral college votes for "winning big". Meanwhile, the combined number of voters by which she lost 3 rust belt states (which would have given her the win) was less than 100,000. Thus, if 50,000 people had changed their votes in three rust belt states, Hillary would have won both the popular vote AND the electoral college vote.

So, yeah, there are only a few states that are, ultimately, going to make the difference. And while Biden is ahead in most of those places (purely from a polling standpoint, and I know it is still early), and even if Biden continues to lead in the polls up until election day, the ACTUAL vote count outcome will be more dependent upon voting methodology this year than at any time ever before.

Keep in mind, we have allowed mail-in voting since the Civil War. Mail-in voting and absentee voting are not new. But, Covid-19 is new, and how that impacts the process of voting will be the biggest wild card.

No projections yet. Too many variables, still. The key to EVERYTHING this year will be voter turnout/voter participation, and especially the rules that constrain voter turnout.
 
Well, he does love to argue.


I don't love to argue. I love to be right.

I gave the relevant stats on the CF-HOF. Nothing changes that. Canes have been snubbed for decades.

The CF-HOF has been around for 70 years and they are STILL voting in guys from the leather helmet/no facemask era.

CF-HOF has nothing to do with Democrat-Republican politics (though it is obviously political with a lower-case p). But certain people on this board refuse to allow a CF-HOF discussion without injecting their partisan political comments.

I've largely steered clear of the partisan politics on this thread, I've presented facts (and in one case, a response to your question on the Electoral College). It is pretty obvious that some hacks can't put the partisan nonsense aside simply to acknowledge that UM has been snubbed for 70 years by the CF-HOF.
 
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I don't love to argue. I love to be right.

I gave the relevant stats on the CF-HOF. Nothing changes that. Canes have been snubbed for decades.

The CF-HOF has been around for 70 years and they are STILL voting in guys from the leather helmet/no facemask era.

CF-HOF has nothing to do with Democrat-Republican politics (though it is obviously political with a lower-case p). But certain people on this board refuse to allow a CF-HOF discussion without injecting their partisan political comments.

I've largely steered clear of the partisan politics on this thread, I've presented facts (and in one case, a response to your question on the Electoral College). It is pretty obvious that some hacks can't put the partisan nonsense aside simply to acknowledge that UM has been snubbed for 70 years by the CF-HOF.
They've been Snubbed by our very own UM HOF.....One of CaneinOrlando's closest friends sits on the HOF Committee....How tf did it take Kevin Williams 28yrs to be elected?? (This yr)...How tf did it take Jay Brophy 37yrs to be elected?? (Only 1st team AA on 83 team)....And Lastly, how in the name of Jesus, has Howard Schnellenberger not been elected??.....
 
They've been Snubbed by our very own UM HOF.....One of CaneinOrlando's closest friends sits on the HOF Committee....How tf did it take Kevin Williams 28yrs to be elected?? (This yr)...How tf did it take Jay Brophy 37yrs to be elected?? (Only 1st team AA on 83 team)....And Lastly, how in the name of Jesus, has Howard Schnellenberger not been elected??.....


For the College Football Hall of Fame, a coach has to have a .600 winning percentage, and Schnellenberger falls short.
 
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I don't love to argue. I love to be right.

I gave the relevant stats on the CF-HOF. Nothing changes that. Canes have been snubbed for decades.

The CF-HOF has been around for 70 years and they are STILL voting in guys from the leather helmet/no facemask era.

CF-HOF has nothing to do with Democrat-Republican politics (though it is obviously political with a lower-case p). But certain people on this board refuse to allow a CF-HOF discussion without injecting their partisan political comments.

I've largely steered clear of the partisan politics on this thread, I've presented facts (and in one case, a response to your question on the Electoral College). It is pretty obvious that some hacks can't put the partisan nonsense aside simply to acknowledge that UM has been snubbed for 70 years by the CF-HOF.
Well, we are in complete agreement about CFHOF. I don't speak for others unless, of course, I am being paid. I do understand your love of being right. I was wrong once, but it was so long ago I have forgotten what is was about. Take care.
 
Well, we are in complete agreement about CFHOF. I don't speak for others unless, of course, I am being paid. I do understand your love of being right. I was wrong once, but it was so long ago I have forgotten what is was about. Take care.


It's all good. We can have our valid debates and not turn everything into politics and grudges and chasing people around on the internet.

It is sad, though, when a so-called Miami fan can't put aside his political vendettas simply to acknowledge the truth that the Miami Hurricanes have been snubbed by the College Football Hall of Fame for 70 years.

And, for the record, I love your screen name.
 
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This year will be insanity when it comes to the electoral college, I think the truer indicator will be states that allow absentee ballots vs. those that do not.

Again, some guys on the board don't know how to DISCUSS politics without making things political. I was a Political Science major, so I can swing it.

To take just an example, when Wisconsin decided NOT to allow the mail-in ballots for the primary, the number of in-person polling places in Milwaukee dropped from over 100 to 5. When you layer in (a) lack of funding for an "unusual" election cycle, (b) the cost of new machinery, (c) the likelihood that many poll-workers (who are largely volunteer and/or elderly) might not show up, (d) the disincentive to vote in person when anyone sees/expects long lines at polling locations, and (e) the relative differentiation between more "Democrat-leaning" city voters and more "Republican-leaning" rural voters, then you might get "electoral college" outcomes that are very different from "opinion-polling" numbers.

Thus, you might be able to look at, again, say Wisconsin, and for the next 5 months, the polls may be showing that the state will flip to Biden. However, if people cannot vote by mail, and if the practicalities of in-person voting results in a greater "non-vote" in urban areas, then you could have a result which skews the outcome (vs. the overall support for the candidates). For instance, pretend that Wisconsin is polling 55-45 Biden over Trump. That type of a margin would be beyond error, from a statistical sense. One would begin to project that Biden will win the state and take all of the electoral votes. But if the availability of polling places/machines/workers/tabulations causes a decreased actual vote count in urban areas, but not as big of an impact on rural areas, then you could get an actual outcome of, say, 51-49 Trump over Biden, which then awards all of the electoral votes to Trump.

What is interesting is that most of the states that (so far) are not allowing mail-in ballots, or require a reason, or give a state the ability to reject a mail-in request, tend to be in the South. And if you expect the South to go for Trump, then one could make the argument that this really shouldn't make much of a difference, that Trump would "carry Alabama" whether Alabama allows mail-in ballots or not.

Therefore, the true differential comes down to swing states, particularly "purple" southern states (such as Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina) and rust belt states (Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin).

The bottom line is this. Right now, in statewide races, the polling numbers for Lindsey Graham (SC) and Mitch McConnell (TN) are not great. Those guys may actually lose. And maybe they lose by 1 vote, but that is all it takes. But when a presidential candidate wins those states, he gets ALL of the electoral votes, so the "close wins" count a lot more than the runaway wins. Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump, but her biggest margin was in California, and she didn't get any extra electoral college votes for "winning big". Meanwhile, the combined number of voters by which she lost 3 rust belt states (which would have given her the win) was less than 100,000. Thus, if 50,000 people had changed their votes in three rust belt states, Hillary would have won both the popular vote AND the electoral college vote.

So, yeah, there are only a few states that are, ultimately, going to make the difference. And while Biden is ahead in most of those places (purely from a polling standpoint, and I know it is still early), and even if Biden continues to lead in the polls up until election day, the ACTUAL vote count outcome will be more dependent upon voting methodology this year than at any time ever before.

Keep in mind, we have allowed mail-in voting since the Civil War. Mail-in voting and absentee voting are not new. But, Covid-19 is new, and how that impacts the process of voting will be the biggest wild card.

No projections yet. Too many variables, still. The key to EVERYTHING this year will be voter turnout/voter participation, and especially the rules that constrain voter turnout.

"ACTUAL vote count outcome will be more dependent upon voting methodology this year than at any time ever before."

Would you discuss that briefly in terms of ballot harvesting? Asking for a friend . . .
 
Full of **** meter has gone through the roof.
Truth is in facts not words.
F' cfbhof and grown old men with inferiority complex. Pops goes to sleep dreaming about me and don't have balls to call people out by name.
 
The fact that Schnellenberger is a legend to three different programs should be enough for an exception to the .600 rule.

Using some ridiculous benchmark allows them to snub a man who has contribute more to college football than at least half of the coached already in.
 
The fact that Schnellenberger is a legend to three different programs should be enough for an exception to the .600 rule.

Using some ridiculous benchmark allows them to snub a man who has contribute more to college football than at least half of the coached already in.
Agree totally. But since when as Canes have we cared what anyone thinks?
Crotchety old man took an L and has tried everything possible to spin his narrative by using the cfbhof outrage.
So back to the task at hand. Which other Cane is a definite hof who has been snubbed.? Is Jerome Brown in there?
@caneinorlando ?
 
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