Coaching search update

[Big Sky Cane]

I have said it before but the time to hire Butch was in 2007. You could have let him do his acquire talent thing for 4 years and then he would have had us pumping out first rounders again.

But I'm not really interested in waiting 4 years. Butch is not a guy that will come in and have us winning quickly. It will be slow. It will be frustrating. And frankly, pumping out NFL players guarantees you nothing in todays game. When Butch was doing his thing he was WAY AHEAD of everyone in terms of S and C development. That was a huge part of what he did, bc he basically approached it like the NFL.

I think Butch being available is AMAZING b/c it's a safety net. But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Spot on! Gonna be so funny when Butch actually has to COACH a game here. Peoples heads are gonna pop when they actually see the product he throws out there week in, week out. 90% of these board posters couldn't have been around the last time he was here....no way. He isn't that great of a coach. Elite talent evaluator/developer CHECK, however, like you said that isn't going to get us on the map like....now. People getting all hot and gooey thinking he's gonna re-create the greatest college football roster ever assembled are living in a ****ing fantasy land.

As you said, I wouldn't be totally upset with a Butch hiring but give me your list all day of the week.

Leach ain't a viable candidate.

Get over it already.

WTF are you talking about? I hate Leach.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

That's a bull**** post. Just because you get all hot and bothered over Charlie Strong, doesn't imply everyone who thinks he's a **** coach (which there is plenty of evidence to confirm) doesn't mean they're racist. Pretty low of you imo.

 

[FullyERicht]

DMoney:

"Miami will be better this year we have a better team"
"Charlie Strong is secretly an elite coach, it's just not fair at Texas!"

Love the site, but dude doesn't know ish about football, clearly.

 

[Dwinstitles]

dmoney knows his **** he just got slurped by golden, no one can always be right about sports period. hes human, i actually strong is a god fit here but i want the gurantee in butch. strongs defense at loserville was fast mean n sick n has sfla kids all over that we missed on for slow kids.

with texas strong has no hs connections and every other school does he has to develop relationships from scratch which is bad cuz hes way nehind. in sfla he wouldnt have to do that he super connected, its easier for sfla kids to play at loserville then have them go to texas. dont ask me y this is but it is thats how it looks. alot of sfla kids said loserville was just like miami and they was bangin steippers so loserville was bout winning. i dont think texas is like miami (the night life that is), texas is a bad place right now they need a texas guy to lock **** down. strong is not for texas.........still strong is notbutch davis.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

That's a bull**** post. Just because you get all hot and bothered over Charlie Strong, doesn't imply everyone who thinks he's a **** coach (which there is plenty of evidence to confirm) doesn't mean they're racist. Pretty low of you imo.

It's pretty obvious race is the real issue with Strong for a few posters on here, Goldenshowrs is one of them.

 

[DMoney]

DMoney:

"Miami will be better this year we have a better team"
"Charlie Strong is secretly an elite coach, it's just not fair at Texas!"

Love the site, but dude doesn't know ish about football, clearly.

Let's make a bet. I bet we finish with a better record than last year. You bet that we don't. I'll put $200 on it. Deal?

But of course, you won't take that bet. You'd rather type about how wrong I am.

 

[DMoney]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

That's a bull**** post. Just because you get all hot and bothered over Charlie Strong, doesn't imply everyone who thinks he's a **** coach (which there is plenty of evidence to confirm) doesn't mean they're racist. Pretty low of you imo.

I was speaking only to GoldenShowers and it was based on his posting history.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

DMoney:

"Miami will be better this year we have a better team"
"Charlie Strong is secretly an elite coach, it's just not fair at Texas!"

Love the site, but dude doesn't know ish about football, clearly.

Let's make a bet. I bet we finish with a better record than last year. You bet that we don't. I'll put $200 on it. Deal?

But of course, you won't take that bet. You'd rather type about how wrong I am.

We gonna win out the regular season. That's a guarantee.

 

[Consigliere]

How is he? Mack Brown brought that program to its knees after years of top 5 recruiting classes and let every other school in Texas gain momentum on them and it was bad enough for him to get fired. Strong has had their worst recruiting classes in years and the other schools in the conference are stronger than ever but to you these things even out. This fantasy that Texas was in great shape when Mack left is a a joke. He got fired for a reason.

Who said great shape? Mack Brown got fired because he could longer win and compete. At the end of his career he was winning about 8-9 games per year. Charlie Scholong is under performing those Mack Brown results. Texas was not in amazing shape but they have all the facilities and money. They're was plenty of talent to not get butt raped by Iowa State. No one is saying they were the 2001 canes but certainly capable of having a winning record in year 1 and improving in year 2.


Mack Brown last 2 seasons before his departure:

9-4 (5-4)
8-5 (7-2)
Total 17-9 (12-6) or winning percentages of .654 (.666)

Charlie *******

6-7 (5-4)
3-5 (2-3)

Total 9-12 (7-7) or winning percentages of .429 (.500)

Advantage Mack Brown as Charlie ******* is performing worse than his predecessor both in conference and overall.

Mack Brown v. Charlie Brown

2012

Scoring O: 35.7 PPG
Total O: 434.6 YPG
Scoring D: 29.2 PPG
Total D: 403.4 YPG

2013

Scoring O: 29.3 PPG
Total O: 408.7 YPG
Scoring D: 25.8 PPG
Total D: 407.2 YPG

Average Scoring O: 32.5 PPG
Average Total O: 421.65 YPG
Average Scoring D: 27.5 PPG
Average Total D: 405.3 YPG

2014

Scoring O: 21.4 PPG
Total O: 337.3 YPG
Scoring D: 23.8 PPG
Total D: 348.5 YPG

2015:

Scoring O: 21.3 PPG
Total O: 329.8 YPG
Scoring D: 30.1 PPG
Total D: 435.3 YPG

Average Scoring O: 21.35 PPG
Average Total O: 333.55 YPG
Average Scoring D: 26.95 PPG
Average Total D: 391.9 YPG

Advantage Mack Brown in 3 out 4 categories.

 

[FullyERicht]

DMoney:

"Miami will be better this year we have a better team"
"Charlie Strong is secretly an elite coach, it's just not fair at Texas!"

Love the site, but dude doesn't know ish about football, clearly.

Let's make a bet. I bet we finish with a better record than last year. You bet that we don't. I'll put $200 on it. Deal?

But of course, you won't take that bet. You'd rather type about how wrong I am.

I just bumped your horribly off-point "post camp observations thread". People need to take your football observations with a grain of salt.

 

[FullyERicht]

How is he? Mack Brown brought that program to its knees after years of top 5 recruiting classes and let every other school in Texas gain momentum on them and it was bad enough for him to get fired. Strong has had their worst recruiting classes in years and the other schools in the conference are stronger than ever but to you these things even out. This fantasy that Texas was in great shape when Mack left is a a joke. He got fired for a reason.

Who said great shape? Mack Brown got fired because he could longer win and compete. At the end of his career he was winning about 8-9 games per year. Charlie Scholong is under performing those Mack Brown results. Texas was not in amazing shape but they have all the facilities and money. They're was plenty of talent to not get butt raped by Iowa State. No one is saying they were the 2001 canes but certainly capable of having a winning record in year 1 and improving in year 2.


Mack Brown last 2 seasons before his departure:

9-4 (5-4)
8-5 (7-2)
Total 17-9 (12-6) or winning percentages of .654 (.666)

Charlie *******

6-7 (5-4)
3-5 (2-3)

Total 9-12 (7-7) or winning percentages of .429 (.500)

Advantage Mack Brown as Charlie ******* is performing worse than his predecessor both in conference and overall.

Mack Brown v. Charlie Brown

2012

Scoring O: 35.7 PPG
Total O: 434.6 YPG
Scoring D: 29.2 PPG
Total D: 403.4 YPG

2013

Scoring O: 29.3 PPG
Total O: 408.7 YPG
Scoring D: 25.8 PPG
Total D: 407.2 YPG

Average Scoring O: 32.5 PPG
Average Total O: 421.65 YPG
Average Scoring D: 27.5 PPG
Average Total D: 405.3 YPG

2014

Scoring O: 21.4 PPG
Total O: 337.3 YPG
Scoring D: 23.8 PPG
Total D: 348.5 YPG

2015:

Scoring O: 21.3 PPG
Total O: 329.8 YPG
Scoring D: 30.1 PPG
Total D: 435.3 YPG

Average Scoring O: 21.35 PPG
Average Total O: 333.55 YPG
Average Scoring D: 26.95 PPG
Average Total D: 391.9 YPG

Advantage Mack Brown in 3 out 4 categories.

Yes but but guysm Charlie isn't a right fit! You see they make you try on a magic pair of shoes, and if they don't fit, you suddenly forget how to coach football!

 

[DMoney]

DMoney:

"Miami will be better this year we have a better team"
"Charlie Strong is secretly an elite coach, it's just not fair at Texas!"

Love the site, but dude doesn't know ish about football, clearly.

Let's make a bet. I bet we finish with a better record than last year. You bet that we don't. I'll put $200 on it. Deal?

But of course, you won't take that bet. You'd rather type about how wrong I am.

I just bumped your horribly off-point "post camp observations thread". People need to take your football observations with a grain of salt.

So you're not going to take the bet? You're going to say I'm wrong but ***** out when I ask you to put money on it? Just want to confirm that.

And I'll let that thread speak for itself. I'd say it holds up pretty nicely.

 

[FullyERicht]

DMoney:

"Miami will be better this year we have a better team"
"Charlie Strong is secretly an elite coach, it's just not fair at Texas!"

Love the site, but dude doesn't know ish about football, clearly.

Let's make a bet. I bet we finish with a better record than last year. You bet that we don't. I'll put $200 on it. Deal?

But of course, you won't take that bet. You'd rather type about how wrong I am.

I just bumped your horribly off-point "post camp observations thread". People need to take your football observations with a grain of salt.

So you're not going to take the bet? You're going to say I'm wrong but **** out when I ask you to put money on it? Just want to confirm that.

And I'll let that thread speak for itself. I'd say it holds up pretty nicely.

Your thread said Miami will win 8 or 9 games. Of course it's not really a fair bet for me now, considering we have a new HC now. But I'll gladly give you the over on 8 wins.

Here's the second bet for you: that Charlie Strong never coaches a big time program again after he is kicked to the curb by Texas.

 

[dycane]

DMoney:

"Miami will be better this year we have a better team"
"Charlie Strong is secretly an elite coach, it's just not fair at Texas!"

Love the site, but dude doesn't know ish about football, clearly.

Let's make a bet. I bet we finish with a better record than last year. You bet that we don't. I'll put $200 on it. Deal?

But of course, you won't take that bet. You'd rather type about how wrong I am.

I just bumped your horribly off-point "post camp observations thread". People need to take your football observations with a grain of salt.

So you're not going to take the bet? You're going to say I'm wrong but **** out when I ask you to put money on it? Just want to confirm that.

And I'll let that thread speak for itself. I'd say it holds up pretty nicely.

Your thread said Miami will win 8 or 9 games. Of course it's not really a fair bet for me now, considering we have a new HC now. But I'll gladly give you the over on 8 wins.

Here's the second bet for you: that Charlie Strong never coaches a big time program again after he is kicked to the curb by Texas.

What was "horribly off point?" Maybe the projected win total, though we have a shot of getting there. But, his observations regarding the units and players seem to be pretty solid.

 

[Andrew]

You guys needs to stop saying Charlie had no connections to high schools in Texas. You don't think he didn't get the lay of land and introduced to the power brokers when he got there?

Here is an article on how Charlie makes impressions to high school coaches
College Football - Charlie Strong's poor performance, Texas Takeaways - Travis Haney Blog - ESPN

I read another article where the coach talked about how Charlie went straight to the kid on social media and didn't involve the high school coach. I don't have the link, but it goes to show Charlie doesn't impress Texas high school coaches and that is why he does not get players. He may be able to recruit south Florida well but he will need to get out of state kids to win anywhere and yes even Miami.

 

[westcoastcanes]

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

Couple things here
First if he has really made up his mind on Miami and supposedly turned down other jobs this long to wait it out for the Miami, why would he not wait the process out with us for an extra couple of months? Your concern is that if we don't make him priority number one that he will bounce, but he is actually waiting on us, so whats the problem?
Second, he can claim he has turned down other jobs, and that may very well be true, but he has not been mentioned as a legit candidate for any legit job during his time being out of work. **** even Al's name got thrown around for a second with Tenn, and Pedo State. Yeah no coach personally announces who they turned down, but in today's media where we have twitter and all sorts of other avenues, his name never came up. I have some concerns about Butch but I would not be upset in the least if he was the hire, I just pointed out that your post didn't really make any sense.

He has publicly announced his desire to coach for Miami. If other names are actually leaked as being likely hires and his name is not among them, you can bet your *** that he will be considered for a number of jobs. I'm just saying that I can see him go for another position if it looks like the school is not serious about him any longer. Then we get out bid for other coaches and since Mario has no other school interested in him (I wonder why), he'll be our last resort.

Once again couple things
You keep saying that he will for sure he will be considered for other jobs, but there is actually no proof of that. Show any proof of that, **** show me any proof he was a serious candidate for any job the last few years. Second other names leaking, even other names being ahead of him on the totem pole doesn't mean he isn't being taken seriously. Butch is being taken seriously from all accounts and reports we have gotten, but being taken seriously and being the first choice are not mutually exclusive things. You say he has identified Miami as the job he wants, so much so that you claim he turned down other jobs and waited for a couple of years, but if all of the sudden the job comes available, which its has, and we don't jump on him right away as the #1 choice, he will bounce? You aren't making sense here.

Absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence. Prove to me that no boards ever talked about butch.

You got a lot of phone calls to make.

 

[FullyERicht]

You guys needs to stop saying Charlie had no connections to high schools in Texas. You don't think he didn't get the lay of land and introduced to the power brokers when he got there?

Here is an article on how Charlie makes impressions to high school coaches
College Football - Charlie Strong's poor performance, Texas Takeaways - Travis Haney Blog - ESPN

I read another article where the coach talked about how Charlie went straight to the kid on social media and didn't involve the high school coach. I don't have the link, but it goes to show Charlie doesn't impress Texas high school coaches and that is why he does not get players. He may be able to recruit south Florida well but he will need to get out of state kids to win anywhere and yes even Miami.

He doesn't impress them b/c he was a big fish in the little pond coach, and his first season taking over an 8 win squad was an absolute **** show. It proves the point that recruiting ability ain't **** compared to winning.

If you were a HS player in Texas right now, would you want to play for the undefeated teams in your area, or the team whose coach in year 2 is so miserably bad that he may get fired already?

 

[bobbydigius]

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

Couple things here
First if he has really made up his mind on Miami and supposedly turned down other jobs this long to wait it out for the Miami, why would he not wait the process out with us for an extra couple of months? Your concern is that if we don't make him priority number one that he will bounce, but he is actually waiting on us, so whats the problem?
Second, he can claim he has turned down other jobs, and that may very well be true, but he has not been mentioned as a legit candidate for any legit job during his time being out of work. **** even Al's name got thrown around for a second with Tenn, and Pedo State. Yeah no coach personally announces who they turned down, but in today's media where we have twitter and all sorts of other avenues, his name never came up. I have some concerns about Butch but I would not be upset in the least if he was the hire, I just pointed out that your post didn't really make any sense.

He has publicly announced his desire to coach for Miami. If other names are actually leaked as being likely hires and his name is not among them, you can bet your *** that he will be considered for a number of jobs. I'm just saying that I can see him go for another position if it looks like the school is not serious about him any longer. Then we get out bid for other coaches and since Mario has no other school interested in him (I wonder why), he'll be our last resort.

Once again couple things
You keep saying that he will for sure he will be considered for other jobs, but there is actually no proof of that. Show any proof of that, **** show me any proof he was a serious candidate for any job the last few years. Second other names leaking, even other names being ahead of him on the totem pole doesn't mean he isn't being taken seriously. Butch is being taken seriously from all accounts and reports we have gotten, but being taken seriously and being the first choice are not mutually exclusive things. You say he has identified Miami as the job he wants, so much so that you claim he turned down other jobs and waited for a couple of years, but if all of the sudden the job comes available, which its has, and we don't jump on him right away as the #1 choice, he will bounce? You aren't making sense here.

Absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence. Prove to me that no boards ever talked about butch.

You got a lot of phone calls to make.

Im on both national boards with Rivals and 247, and I don't remember Butch's name ever coming up. I remember Al's specifically and the other team's fans being ****ed off. Regardless, even if I am wrong there, I don't care either way, the point still remains, that Butch wants the Miami job badly, and will not spurn us if we go through a whole coaching search before we decide.

 

[westcoastcanes]

Couple things here
First if he has really made up his mind on Miami and supposedly turned down other jobs this long to wait it out for the Miami, why would he not wait the process out with us for an extra couple of months? Your concern is that if we don't make him priority number one that he will bounce, but he is actually waiting on us, so whats the problem?
Second, he can claim he has turned down other jobs, and that may very well be true, but he has not been mentioned as a legit candidate for any legit job during his time being out of work. **** even Al's name got thrown around for a second with Tenn, and Pedo State. Yeah no coach personally announces who they turned down, but in today's media where we have twitter and all sorts of other avenues, his name never came up. I have some concerns about Butch but I would not be upset in the least if he was the hire, I just pointed out that your post didn't really make any sense.

He has publicly announced his desire to coach for Miami. If other names are actually leaked as being likely hires and his name is not among them, you can bet your *** that he will be considered for a number of jobs. I'm just saying that I can see him go for another position if it looks like the school is not serious about him any longer. Then we get out bid for other coaches and since Mario has no other school interested in him (I wonder why), he'll be our last resort.

Once again couple things
You keep saying that he will for sure he will be considered for other jobs, but there is actually no proof of that. Show any proof of that, **** show me any proof he was a serious candidate for any job the last few years. Second other names leaking, even other names being ahead of him on the totem pole doesn't mean he isn't being taken seriously. Butch is being taken seriously from all accounts and reports we have gotten, but being taken seriously and being the first choice are not mutually exclusive things. You say he has identified Miami as the job he wants, so much so that you claim he turned down other jobs and waited for a couple of years, but if all of the sudden the job comes available, which its has, and we don't jump on him right away as the #1 choice, he will bounce? You aren't making sense here.

Absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence. Prove to me that no boards ever talked about butch.

You got a lot of phone calls to make.

Im on both national boards with Rivals and 247, and I don't remember Butch's name ever coming up. I remember Al's specifically and the other team's fans being ****ed off. Regardless, even if I am wrong there, I don't care either way, the point still remains, that Butch wants the Miami job badly, and will not spurn us if we go through a whole coaching search before we decide.

why would a board of trustees talk about potential coaching candidates on forums.
you need to upgrade your friends.

 

[Andrew]

You guys needs to stop saying Charlie had no connections to high schools in Texas. You don't think he didn't get the lay of land and introduced to the power brokers when he got there?

Here is an article on how Charlie makes impressions to high school coaches
College Football - Charlie Strong's poor performance, Texas Takeaways - Travis Haney Blog - ESPN

I read another article where the coach talked about how Charlie went straight to the kid on social media and didn't involve the high school coach. I don't have the link, but it goes to show Charlie doesn't impress Texas high school coaches and that is why he does not get players. He may be able to recruit south Florida well but he will need to get out of state kids to win anywhere and yes even Miami.

He doesn't impress them b/c he was a big fish in the little pond coach, and his first season taking over an 8 win squad was an absolute **** show. It proves the point that recruiting ability ain't **** compared to winning.

If you were a HS player in Texas right now, would you want to play for the undefeated teams in your area, or the team whose coach in year 2 is so miserably bad that he may get fired already?

Agree, and Strong trashed the current team and kicked a bunch of them off the team. Charlie absolutely shows no respect to those coaches and he won't get their players. He doesn't take the clinic seriously, kicks off players, bad mouths the talent, sets his priority on recruiting the "Florida five" and he doesn't try and build relationships with the coaches.