Coaching search update

[clg003]

Guys please look up the term Potato. Its a stupid term and would work for some old dude with his pants down around his ankles wearing a flat bill. On this site the only way it would make sense is if someone thought a 21 yo knew chit about Miami football. Which they dont. The last title they experienced was when they were 5. And if your an old F like many of you are and your using that term then you a FN potato for using some ghay ash internet term.

Why don't you call that person out instead of being a potatp? See how I am talking directly to you potato.

Now explain to me how I am acting like a 21 yo. You may have to spit the *** our your mouth before you do so. Go ahead we can wait for 20 minutes. make sure you get it all out. Now make sure you wipe crap off your lips as well.

And maybe when you get back in class they will teach you that Guys means you are referring to multiple people.

No not your poll dancing class.

Are you calling me young or old?

Dude are you actually asking me to hold your hand thru this?

I am calling you stupid!

My post was stating that using that term is dumb and then you use it twice in a response to my post saying its stupid.

So again.. its stupid. clearly stupid.

To reiterate... not calling you young or old... just plain stupid.

Let me know if you need me to clarify again.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Consiglere says Stanford was a dumpster fire when Harbaugh took over but Texas wasnt when Strong took over even though Texas had a losing record in conference 4 years in a row?? Lol and got the nerve to call someone else a ****ing potato

Strong sucks, period. You bringing up the race card shows your motivation. I don't care what color the next coach is as long as he can get the job done. Strong is blowing a$$ at Texas with endless resources. I would be ok with Kevin Sumlin or David Shaw.

Lol rather have David Shaw be the head coach at UM recruiting Sfl instead of Strong llh hilarious the **** ppl say.

What does "endless resources mean in the real world, in a year and a half?" Is it just not losing to Iowa State?

You **** right I would rather have Shaw. He's a better coach. There is more to coaching then recruiting.

Yeah you're right Strong has yet to prove he can actually win as a HC.

-_-

 

[clg003]

[video=youtube;ao0cH6BzQ8E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0cH6BzQ8E[/video]

Those dudes look like monsters.

 

[dycane]

This discussion has swung from one extreme to the other. Butch is the floor? I've heard it all now. I recognize there are legitimate arguments in favor of considering a guy like Herman over Butch, but let's not jump the shark here. Miami would be in very good hands with Butch.

 

[Dwinstitles]

[video=youtube;ao0cH6BzQ8E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0cH6BzQ8E[/video]

Those dudes look like monsters.

because he recruited monsters who can run, his teams r bama like with florida players. saban isnt a genius he gets the best players, he sked in the nfl. everyone pick assistants from his staff to coach but never duplicate what he does because recruiting is a gift. jimbo has it *** has it saban has it n butch has it, those four guys develop also....the only genius is *** imo. miami needs a monster superb recruiter not a ok recruiter, everyone thought golden was a beast on the trail n he was god awful at protecting sfla. butch can protect n develop n make kids money, parents will send there kids to miami rather then the other schools. they trust butch he will make miami miami again, i have no if and doubt about it.

if u place butch at miami seven years ago and target the misses our teams would have looked alot different waaaaaaaaaay different. his offensive and defensive lines are fast mean and massive, doesnt matter if kehoe is there or not its about if butch is there. butch gives the position coaches the tools and they mold them, if they recieve rusty tools it wont matter what they do. butch gives them studs and keeps his eye on it, cant wait till hes hired its only a matter of time.

 

[kccanefan]

Consiglere says Stanford was a dumpster fire when Harbaugh took over but Texas wasnt when Strong took over even though Texas had a losing record in conference 4 years in a row?? Lol and got the nerve to call someone else a ****ing potato

Strong sucks, period. You bringing up the race card shows your motivation. I don't care what color the next coach is as long as he can get the job done. Strong is blowing a$$ at Texas with endless resources. I would be ok with Kevin Sumlin or David Shaw.

Oh knowledge that's just ozzing out of you....

Strong sucks and its only because of the period.

Get it people... your not talking to rational people.

They know Strong sucks because of whats happened at Texas the last year and a half regardless of circumstance.

Football is that easy. If your good you win every year no matter what.

Endless resources is comical but he uses it like its the gospel just because it came out of his head.

I think being a black coach would have its advantages in Miami whereas in Texas it would not.

Since you question other's knowledge, Aside from his skin color what else makes Strong a good candidate? Is it his 9-12 record at Texas or his recent lose to bottom dweller Iowa St. Texas does have the largest Athletic budget in the entire country. That is fact. Being black definitely helped Randy Shannon when he was here. I'm sorry, but choosing a coach based on race has to be the most ignorant and misguided decision you can make. In addition, like I said I would be ok with a Kevin Sumlin or a David Shaw as they are good coaches.

 

[Consigliere]

Guys please look up the term Potato. Its a stupid term and would work for some old dude with his pants down around his ankles wearing a flat bill. On this site the only way it would make sense is if someone thought a 21 yo knew chit about Miami football. Which they dont. The last title they experienced was when they were 5. And if your an old F like many of you are and your using that term then you a FN potato for using some ghay ash internet term.

Why don't you call that person out instead of being a potatp? See how I am talking directly to you potato.

Now explain to me how I am acting like a 21 yo. You may have to spit the *** our your mouth before you do so. Go ahead we can wait for 20 minutes. make sure you get it all out. Now make sure you wipe crap off your lips as well.

And maybe when you get back in class they will teach you that Guys means you are referring to multiple people.

No not your poll dancing class.

Are you calling me young or old?

Dude are you actually asking me to hold your hand thru this?

I am calling you stupid!

My post was stating that using that term is dumb and then you use it twice in a response to my post saying its stupid.

So again.. its stupid. clearly stupid.

To reiterate... not calling you young or old... just plain stupid.

Let me know if you need me to clarify again.

And the part about the poll dancing? What are you hinting at?

 

[Cane1996]

This thread started out good and now it's a bunch fools slinging mud.

 

[Consigliere]

To review:

David Shaw [5 Seasons all at Power 5]: 49-13 (34-8), 3 BCS Games and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 79%

Charlie ******* [6 Seasons only 2 at Power 5]: 46-27 (27-16),1 BCS Game and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 63%

 

[01Canes]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

One of the best posts in this thread, IMO.

Butch is going to be available no matter what. He's made it clear that this is the job he wants and he's not in demand elsewhere. If the admin truly plans to do their due diligence and conduct a thorough search, then there are many options that should be explored first before coming to a decision.

I'd be happy with a Butch hire. But the admin needs to first make an attempt to lure elite established coaches over the next few weeks, even if they're considered pipe dreams i.e. Patterson, and interview others currently having success before making an informed decision.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

One of the best posts in this thread, IMO.

Butch is going to be available no matter what. He's made it clear that this is the job he wants and he's not in demand elsewhere. If the admin truly plans to do their due diligence and conduct a thorough search, then there are many options that should be explored first before coming to a decision.

I'd be happy with a Butch hire. But the admin needs to first make an attempt to lure elite established coaches over the next few weeks, even if they're considered pipe dreams i.e. Patterson, and interview others currently having success before making an informed decision.

Great. Slow play Butch like we did in 2001, have a couple other schools come into play and give the man the respect he deserves and we get ****ED with Mario. NO ******* THANKS.

If you're gonna hire him, then hire him. *******-A, it's really that simple.

 

[clg003]

[video=youtube;ao0cH6BzQ8E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0cH6BzQ8E[/video]

Those dudes look like monsters.

because he recruited monsters who can run, his teams r bama like with florida players. saban isnt a genius he gets the best players, he sked in the nfl. everyone pick assistants from his staff to coach but never duplicate what he does because recruiting is a gift. jimbo has it *** has it saban has it n butch has it, those four guys develop also....the only genius is *** imo. miami needs a monster superb recruiter not a ok recruiter, everyone thought golden was a beast on the trail n he was god awful at protecting sfla. butch can protect n develop n make kids money, parents will send there kids to miami rather then the other schools. they trust butch he will make miami miami again, i have no if and doubt about it.

if u place butch at miami seven years ago and target the misses our teams would have looked alot different waaaaaaaaaay different. his offensive and defensive lines are fast mean and massive, doesnt matter if kehoe is there or not its about if butch is there. butch gives the position coaches the tools and they mold them, if they recieve rusty tools it wont matter what they do. butch gives them studs and keeps his eye on it, cant wait till hes hired its only a matter of time.

I like butch but people are seriously losing perspective here. Butch is not a Saban. Never was and never will be.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

To review:

David Shaw [5 Seasons all at Power 5]: 49-13 (34-8), 3 BCS Games and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 79%

Charlie ******* [6 Seasons only 2 at Power 5]: 46-27 (27-16),1 BCS Game and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 63%

To review one stepped in at a program that Harbaugh left at a elite level. The other is trying to clean up a program that was stuck in the middle of the pack in the BIG 12. two different scenarios, and Shaw would be a terrible fit in SFL compared to a perfect fit in Charlie Strong.

and Lol at this "Power 5" slogan you keep emphasizing as if the BIG East wasn't part of the BCS. The new playoff system some how makes the ACC better bc we're part of this new "power 5" theme -_- ??

 

[3FW]

If Butch never left there might be no Nick Saban.

 

[drifters1234]

This is one of those rare times I find myself completely disagreeing with DMoney. I want a great coach and while Strong is good, he is not great.
A great coach doesn't have to find a "fit" for his specific needs to produce great results. What "Texas is not a fit for him" mean? What does this have to do with being blown out by inferior teams?
How long it took Urban to compete for a title at Ohio State or turn around a completely different program going from Utah to Florida. Different personnel and not his recruits?
Strong should have adapted to the new environment, changed his scheme to fit the players they have, manage games much better and not be shut out and lose the way they lost to a 3-5 team. He just doesn't seem to be a cerebral adaptive and well rounded HC.

This.

Can't believe we are even discussing Strong and using the same excuses that we brought up to defend Golden's first two years.

When did Golden ever kill it recruiting in Miami. When did his team ever dismantle one of out rivals in a BCS bowl that he was a 2 TD under dog in? LOGIC FAIL!

LOL. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

The comparison concerns Strong's failure his first two years at UT, a big-time program, which parallels Golden's failure once he graduated to UM. Posters -- myself included -- tried to excuse Golden's failures by arguing that Shannon left Golden a mess at UM -- very little talent, no discipline, etc.... People are making similar arguments to excuse Strong's failures at UT -- Mack left it a "mess," no discipline, etc.... We should not even consider hiring a coach whose only experience at a big-time program has been underwhelming at best.

Perennial loser IOWA STATE just crushed Strong's UT squad. When has that ever happened? It's a glaring warning that Strong is not a good head coach at a big-time school. It's certainly not worth the risk for UM, given our decade-run of mediocrity.

 

[Notsince1985]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
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2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

I think we can agree that if we can stockpile Wayne, Moss, James, Portis, Dorsey, shockey, mckinnie, Johnson, Gore, et al he will put up numbers offensively. I'm not sure UM fans want to wait 4 years hoping he can pull off that personnel miracle again.

We saw him most recently at UNC field some dreadful offenses and struggle to make a peep in the feeble Coastal over a 4 year stretch.

That's fair, and I agree it's a concern, but I'm hoping he has either learned to adapt to the changing game (and the game has changed since he left UNC, more than it changed from when he was at UM to when he was at UNC), or he stockpiles enough talent to where he can average 40 points per game regardless. Again, I'm not saying Butch is Saban, or the best hire in the history of hires.

My good man, I'm weary from hearing the "we can stockpile talent out way around poor/average coaching" line of thought that I've been beaten about the head with over the last 12 years.

There are too many talented coaches and wide open offensive schemes these days to just roll talent out there. It's a pretty different game than it was the last time we rode that "talent above all else" approach to a NC.

Who do you want?

 

[Notsince1985]

It will still matter. He's conservative by nature and a below average game manager. So will he push his advantage and go for the kill? Will he try to protect leads instead of extending them?

Nick Saban doesn't push the advantage, dosen't "go for the jugular" and sits on leads. When Alabama gets up 31-0 at the half, they win 34-0. They don't win 62-0.

Butch Davis isn't Nick Saban. Nobody but someone on a Miami message board would even make the comparison.

Your scenario wasn't the point anyway. He's up 28-21 in the 4th quarter with 6 minutes to go and the ball at the 25. Is he going to run the ball twice and then pass when it is 3rd and 6? Or is he going to trust his OC and QB to go win the game? Saban has shown a willingness to let Kiffin do his thing in those scenarios.

And, up 20-17 against FSU with 5 minutes left in 2000, Butch trusted his OC to throw the ball. It went for a first down, but Davenport fumbled and FSU scored the go ahead TD 3 plays later.

Yep. He did. Not gonna forget how it went from 17-0 to 20-17 when he decided to sit on that lead and attempt to ride the defense home though.

That's not really what happened, FSU just woke up. We missed a fg too that would have extended the lead. We didn't run it 3 times every drive up 17.

 

[ThomasM]

Seriously, lots of things don't happen if he stayed long term.

If Butch never left there might be no Nick Saban.

 

[bobbydigius]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

One of the best posts in this thread, IMO.

Butch is going to be available no matter what. He's made it clear that this is the job he wants and he's not in demand elsewhere. If the admin truly plans to do their due diligence and conduct a thorough search, then there are many options that should be explored first before coming to a decision.

I'd be happy with a Butch hire. But the admin needs to first make an attempt to lure elite established coaches over the next few weeks, even if they're considered pipe dreams i.e. Patterson, and interview others currently having success before making an informed decision.

Great. Slow play Butch like we did in 2001, have a couple other schools come into play and give the man the respect he deserves and we get ****ED with Mario. NO ****ING THANKS.

If you're gonna hire him, then hire him. ****ing-A, it's really that simple.

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

 

[The Franchise]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

I think we can agree that if we can stockpile Wayne, Moss, James, Portis, Dorsey, shockey, mckinnie, Johnson, Gore, et al he will put up numbers offensively. I'm not sure UM fans want to wait 4 years hoping he can pull off that personnel miracle again.

We saw him most recently at UNC field some dreadful offenses and struggle to make a peep in the feeble Coastal over a 4 year stretch.

That's fair, and I agree it's a concern, but I'm hoping he has either learned to adapt to the changing game (and the game has changed since he left UNC, more than it changed from when he was at UM to when he was at UNC), or he stockpiles enough talent to where he can average 40 points per game regardless. Again, I'm not saying Butch is Saban, or the best hire in the history of hires.

My good man, I'm weary from hearing the "we can stockpile talent out way around poor/average coaching" line of thought that I've been beaten about the head with over the last 12 years.

There are too many talented coaches and wide open offensive schemes these days to just roll talent out there. It's a pretty different game than it was the last time we rode that "talent above all else" approach to a NC.

Who do you want?

I'd shoot for a homerun established coach first. Then work my way down. Make guys like Chip Kelly, Patterson, D'Antonio and Pinkel tell you no. Then, look at a guy like Herman and/or Fuente. If you can't get any homerun established guys or guys like Herman or Fuente, then offer Butch.