Coaching search update

[Salt]

not sure why they would also be calling the shots on who the HC's assistants are? If the new HC wants Dorsey, I'm fine with that. But I don't understand the wanting of specific coordinators when you still have not settled on who the HC is.

 

[FullyERicht]

Ok 1st, Strong inherited a Mack Brown program that was faltering very fast. He's been there 1 1/2 years and you people are already saying that he has failed. I'm not saying he's my #1 option to come here, but lets be real about Texas right now. Their roster is very average and he's only had 1 recruiting class. It's very hard to change a culture in 1 1/2 years. I know some coaches have done it (Harbaugh, Urban, etc.) but those are the elite of elite. Some places just aren't good fits for some coaches. Texas isn't the place for Charlie Strong, but to say he's not a good coach is laughable.


2nd, Ken Dorsey is not going to come here and do a lateral move to be a QB coach. He's been with Cam for 3 years and has seen major progression from him each year. His starting WR's are Ted Ginn Jr and Philly Brown. He will be not be leaving Carolina unless its for a OC position. Do I think he's ready for that? I'm not sure, but he's not coming here to be a QB coach.

1. Butch
2. Herman
3. The rest

Every elite coach to take over a struggling program and then win a title this century did so in the 2nd or 3rd year.

If a coach is getting destroyed in his 2nd season at a major program, HE SUCKS. Period, end of story.

 

[Consigliere]

Ok 1st, Strong inherited a Mack Brown program that was faltering very fast. He's been there 1 1/2 years and you people are already saying that he has failed. I'm not saying he's my #1 option to come here, but lets be real about Texas right now. Their roster is very average and he's only had 1 recruiting class. It's very hard to change a culture in 1 1/2 years. I know some coaches have done it (Harbaugh, Urban, etc.) but those are the elite of elite. Some places just aren't good fits for some coaches. Texas isn't the place for Charlie Strong, but to say he's not a good coach is laughable.

1. How come he can't beat ISU in year 2? Is ISU the best 3-5 team ever? Surely UT has more talent than ISU?

2. How much time does he need? 3 years? 5 years? 15 years?

3. Perhaps his 16-18 record without a Heisman QB is a telling sign?

4. How come Mack's winning percentage in his final 2 seasons (.653%) and Strong's winning percentage in his first 21 games (.429%). Perhaps the talent was good enough to go 8-5 or 9-4.

5. Why did Charlie say the following? Strong said Monday the turning point is coming for his program and that another five-loss season "will never happen in this program again."


Texas Longhorns coach Charlie Strong says program will never lose 5 games in a season again

 

[Tad Footeball]

This thread somehow managed to suck the positivity out of the Butch aspect of the initial post. I'd love to come back here and see the rationale for Chuck if they lose to Kansas. Ohhhh, Austin is too high pressure! Ohhhh, Mack Brown left him a 9 win dumpster fire. Ohhhh, he killed it at Louisville....but don't inspect his record there toooo closely. Ohhh, he doesn't want to schmooze the big oil money.....

If we want to go this route then just make a play for Mark Richt. He's not my top choice but in a blind interview excluding "intangibles" and hunches his freakin resume DESTROYS Strong's.

 

[FullyERicht]

Wouldn't mind any one of them at this point. Both would instantly be better than Golden. The part that is interesting to me is that the fans want Butch while the recruits are more familiar with Strong as he has been in the news and actually recruited down here. I would lean slightly toward Strong but I think both would kill it down here. Especially since they both would be inheriting a pretty good QB.

Do you want Rich Rod?

No I'm not a fan of gimmicky offenses. I think Strong or Butch would be perfect fits.

And yet Strong and Rich Rod had nearly identical career paths. Hmmm I wonder why you like Charlie so much.....

A big fan of what he accomplished at Louisville. Went to our bowl game when we played them and watched his team dismantle us. Also liked how physical his team was. He has a defensive pedigree which is what this team needs. He would be inheriting a good QB in Kaaya like he did with Teddy. Like how he recruited Florida especially the Dade, Broward, Palm Beach areas. I think South Florida kids would want to play for him.

But you weren't a fan of what Rich Rod accomplished at WVU? They accomplished the exact same thing. Then they went to the major program and got exposed.

He recruited south florida bc Miami was in shambles Clint Hurtt was his recruiting coordinator. If you are hiring a coach b/c he landed some local kids using a guy who now has a show cause, you need to reevaluate what exactly you think makes a coach successful.

 

[Samson Doyo]

Kapernick has a better qb rating than Cam. If I'm not mistaken, Cam is having his worst year and is only completing 54% of his passes.

Using Cam to support Dorsey is a very poor argument.

Have you watched Cam? He's an MVP candidate.

His numbers are low because he is surrounded by bums. Ted Ginn dropping a perfect pass last night sums up what he's dealing with. And his biggest improvement has been decision-making, which speaks well of Dorsey.

He's an MVP candidate because that team is doing well. They have the second best running game (8 yards from the first) and a top 10 defense in the league. Ryan Fitzpatrick is having a better season than him.

I'd support Dorsey for OC, but it has nothing to do with Cam.

I think if you look at Cam's play/production/#'s pre-Dorsey versus under Dorsey's tutelage you will see a considerable improvement. Cam has said it himself that Dorsey is a big reason for his improvement over the last 2years.

At least the search seems to be improving. So, we have that going for us, which is nice.

Go Canes!

His stats say otherwise. Small improvement year 1 with Dorsey, year 2 is one of his worst years, and so far year 3 is average. Cam is an average QB.

I stand corrected.

Go Canes!

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Spoke to someone with direct link to decisionmakers. Butch has strong support with key members of Board. There are still some people against him, but the tide is turning. I become more optimistic by the day.

Money will not be an issue. The school knows how important this decision is. I expect Blake to be given the opportunity to conduct a true search and come up with the best candidate. This will not be a lazy process.

 

[DiegoCane]

The no talent excuse sounds a lot like Shannon and Golden.

UT classes leading up to Strong:

2011: 4th
2012: 2nd
2013: 17th

2014: 16th
2015: 9th


But I forgot Texas players are soft and are overrated. Except TCU and Baylor are crushing with much lower ranked classes

TCU (2011-2015): 29th, 29th, 27th, 43rd, 42nd
Baylor: 46th, 26th, 36th, 26th, 36th

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

The no talent excuse sounds a lot like Shannon and Golden.

UT classes leading up to Strong:

2011: 4th
2012: 2nd
2013: 17th

2014: 16th
2015: 9th


But I forgot Texas players are soft and are overrated. Except TCU and Baylor are crushing with much lower ranked classes

TCU (2011-2015): 29th, 29th, 27th, 43rd, 42nd
Baylor: 46th, 26th, 36th, 26th, 36th

Like I said on the WEZ: you can always count on this fanbase to go out of their way to make excuses for sorry coaches.

 

[Barboni]

The no talent excuse sounds a lot like Shannon and Golden.

UT classes leading up to Strong:

2011: 4th
2012: 2nd
2013: 17th

2014: 16th
2015: 9th


But I forgot Texas players are soft and are overrated. Except TCU and Baylor are crushing with much lower ranked classes

TCU (2011-2015): 29th, 29th, 27th, 43rd, 42nd
Baylor: 46th, 26th, 36th, 26th, 36th

Yup. Houston and A&M must be winning with kids from other states lol. I don't know how anyone can believe that narrative.

 

[Notsince1985]

Ok 1st, Strong inherited a Mack Brown program that was faltering very fast. He's been there 1 1/2 years and you people are already saying that he has failed. I'm not saying he's my #1 option to come here, but lets be real about Texas right now. Their roster is very average and he's only had 1 recruiting class. It's very hard to change a culture in 1 1/2 years. I know some coaches have done it (Harbaugh, Urban, etc.) but those are the elite of elite. Some places just aren't good fits for some coaches. Texas isn't the place for Charlie Strong, but to say he's not a good coach is laughable.


2nd, Ken Dorsey is not going to come here and do a lateral move to be a QB coach. He's been with Cam for 3 years and has seen major progression from him each year. His starting WR's are Ted Ginn Jr and Philly Brown. He will be not be leaving Carolina unless its for a OC position. Do I think he's ready for that? I'm not sure, but he's not coming here to be a QB coach.

1. Butch
2. Herman
3. The rest

Every elite coach to take over a struggling program and then win a title this century did so in the 2nd or 3rd year.

If a coach is getting destroyed in his 2nd season at a major program, HE SUCKS. Period, end of story.

Is Michigan State a major program

 

[Tee_louwee_91]

Do you want Rich Rod?

No I'm not a fan of gimmicky offenses. I think Strong or Butch would be perfect fits.

And yet Strong and Rich Rod had nearly identical career paths. Hmmm I wonder why you like Charlie so much.....

A big fan of what he accomplished at Louisville. Went to our bowl game when we played them and watched his team dismantle us. Also liked how physical his team was. He has a defensive pedigree which is what this team needs. He would be inheriting a good QB in Kaaya like he did with Teddy. Like how he recruited Florida especially the Dade, Broward, Palm Beach areas. I think South Florida kids would want to play for him.

But you weren't a fan of what Rich Rod accomplished at WVU? They accomplished the exact same thing. Then they went to the major program and got exposed.

He recruited south florida bc Miami was in shambles Clint Hurtt was his recruiting coordinator. If you are hiring a coach b/c he landed some local kids using a guy who now has a show cause, you need to reevaluate what exactly you think makes a coach successful.

Touche'! No disagreements from me here. I'm fairly young so the extent of my Butch knowledge goes to what he did at UNC and what people tell me he accomplished during his tenure at Miami. If Butch is the best candidate then sign him up. I just want to be back on top so I can talk trash to FSU and UF fans.

 

[01Canes]

The no talent excuse sounds a lot like Shannon and Golden.

UT classes leading up to Strong:

2011: 4th
2012: 2nd
2013: 17th

2014: 16th
2015: 9th


But I forgot Texas players are soft and are overrated. Except TCU and Baylor are crushing with much lower ranked classes

TCU (2011-2015): 29th, 29th, 27th, 43rd, 42nd
Baylor: 46th, 26th, 36th, 26th, 36th

- Texas' total offense: 117th.
- Texas' total defense: 104th.
- 5 losses before the end of October in his second year.
- Retained slow-paced West Coast pro-style OC Shawn Watson to install an up-tempo spread.
- Revoked Watson's playcalling duties one game into the season. Some even praised him for doing this even though he caused the entire mess to begin with.

People can argue about the validity of star rankings, and his roster obviously isn't as talented as that graphic makes it appear to be. He kicked a bunch of players off that team when he arrived and had to change the culture there. But to dismiss all of those bullet points by claiming he's just a bad fit there, or tossing out baseless accusations about Texas players being soft, seems ridiculous.

 

[Consigliere]

The no talent excuse sounds a lot like Shannon and Golden.

UT classes leading up to Strong:

2011: 4th
2012: 2nd
2013: 17th

2014: 16th
2015: 9th


But I forgot Texas players are soft and are overrated. Except TCU and Baylor are crushing with much lower ranked classes

TCU (2011-2015): 29th, 29th, 27th, 43rd, 42nd
Baylor: 46th, 26th, 36th, 26th, 36th

- Texas' total offense: 117th.
- Texas' total defense: 104th.
- 5 losses before the end of October in his second year.
- Retained slow-paced West Coast pro-style OC Shawn Watson to install an up-tempo spread.
- Revoked Watson's playcalling duties one game into the season. Some even praised him for doing this even though he caused the entire mess to begin with.

People can argue about the validity of star rankings, and his roster obviously isn't as talented as that graphic makes it appear to be. He kicked a bunch of players off that team when he arrived and had to change the culture there. But to dismiss all of those bullet points by claiming he's just a bad fit there, or tossing out baseless accusations about Texas players being soft, seems ridiculous.

My gut tells me you're a racist.

 

[The Franchise]

I think Fuentes OR Herman would bolt the Miami job as soon as a more lucrative offer came along. They have no ties to Miami and would use us for a stepping stone. Butch, I believe, would stay until he died, Dorsey would also if they were willing to groom him for a HC job. I doubt Strong would come here to be a DC after he...matter of fact, I know Strong would not come here to be a DC after he's had a HC job at 2 other places, one of them being Texas. That is something you can forget.

Miami has never lost a HC to another college. Only way they'd leave is for an NFL HC gig. Miami is not a stepping stone gig to other colleges.

You should want the HC at Miami to leave for the NFL. We win NCs when that happens.

 

[Canesfan1899]

DMoney, what are your thoughts on Skrong? It seems to me that he benefited from having Bridgewater bail him out as a coach. I'm not so sure he's good HC material. Seems to be a better DC than HC.

I've discussed this in other poss, but I think he'd kill it here. He is an elite evaluator of talent (like Butch) who put 14 guys in the pros the last two years at Louisville. Most of those guys were three stars or worse. Recruiting ability may be overrated for a head coach, but the ability to evaluate is just as important as Xs and Os.

He already knows the area and does not need to start fresh in terms of relationships. He built elite defenses at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville, so I believe he can do the same here with our talented roster. He would inherit a Bridgewater-type quarterback in Kaaya. The Iowa State loss is concerning, but Butch had plenty of bad losses here (including a meltdown against East Carolina in Year 5 with a loaded roster).

He is my third choice behind Butch and Herman.

That's pretty much exactly where I am:

1) Herman
2) Butch
3) Strong

My top 2 are Butch or Herman. I still am not sold on Strong with the beatings his Texas teams have taken.

 

[The Franchise]

Some guys need to take their Canes blinders off. I would love Butch or Strong but the Strong hate I don't get. He took 3 star players from Miami and made them savages at Louisville. He kicked Florida's *** in the bowl game and kicked our *** to, not bad for a guy who can't coach

His claim to fame is kicking the asses of two of the worst HCs in modern college football history. Georgia Southern's HC also kicked Muscrap's ***. Go get him. Or Mike London who regularly kicks Folden's ***.

 

[Cans4life]

At the end of the day, Strong's record at UT is inexcusable. While he is better than Chud, Schiano and Cristobal, that shouldn't be the criteria for selecting the new coach.

 

[BigDikCane]

Michael Irvin was on Mike and Mike this morning talking about the kick-off return and coaching search. When asked about Butch Davis in his age Irvin paused for a second. Didn't sound like he wants Butch or he knows that Butch isn't coming. Also said that Butch is the fans favorite, but not everybody else.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Spoke to someone with direct link to decisionmakers. Butch has strong support with key members of Board. There are still some people against him, but the tide is turning. I become more optimistic by the day.

Money will not be an issue. The school knows how important this decision is. I expect Blake to be given the opportunity to conduct a true search and come up with the best candidate. This will not be a lazy process.

It's extremely early, but the two names with momentum are Butch Davis and Charlie Strong. And the obvious choice for offensive coordinator (in my opinion- not info) would be Ken Dorsey, QB coach for MVP candidate Cam Newton.