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Rellyrell said:
I don’t mind that b/c u have student bands performing, & a lot of those kids are on scholarships, too. Those half times can be shortened if both programs mutually agree, but normally they want those students to have their shine during HT.
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I'm fine to knock it down to 15 minutes. MORE MEDLEYS!!!
 
AllAboutTheU said:
Yea, I like the change as well. All of these leagues are struggling with keeping eyes on these long *** sporting events. I’m for anything that makes the game quicker
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Right now CFB, on avg., is the longest running American sport. Longer than the NFL, NBA, MLB, or any other collegiate sport. That’s an issue that needed to be solved. It’s actually have gotten worst over the last 5 yrs. The avg. CFB game is running 3 hrs & 22 minutes, which many of these games are bleeding into TV for other programs.

I have no issue w/ this; there’s a reason y all these events have been looking for ways to speed them up, & we’re not talking about shaving 45 mins from games, but rather, on avg. and extra 15 minutes. That 15 minutes go a long way in putting out a quality product & time for other games to be shown in their proper time slot (unless OT or weather delays play a role).
 
I think the reason they are doing this is "player safety" lol because with the new 12 team playoffs, the champion will play appx 15 games, so when the question comes up about added games, they can say they are decreasing plays overall.

or most importantly its for the TV contracts so the games fall within a 3 hour time period for better planning and more $$$$$

all bs as usual, but can the Canes win another chip soon?
 
Ajcane8 said:
The rule has been in place since 1968. Were they having "trouble" with 4-hour games before the color-TV was widespread?

Also, wouldn't it be easier to just extend the 3.5-hour TV windows to 4 hours, if that truly were the issue? Or, they could just go full-MLB and meddle further with the integrity of the game in the name of "fan engagement" and expediency. New rules - huddles are mandatory and you can only pass the ball X# of times in a half. We will never again have to worry about missing that 3:30 kick on ESPNU because Ball Sate v. Western Kentucky is running long.
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They weren't having trouble with 4-hour games after TV either. The games have continued to get longer every year not as a result of commercials (I am sure they did get longer at the time TV was introduced), but due to play on the field - primarily that the style of offense that most teams play now, leads to more clock stoppages. And let's face it, networks aren't going to cut commercials b/c they need to pay out ****loads of money to every team not in the ACC.

Every major sport has had rule changes along the way. Some examples:

- Basketball did not have a shot clock or a 3 point line
- Football did not have a forward pass, 2 pt play, etc
- Hockey changed the size of the goals
- (As you noted) College football stopping the clock after first downs was not always a thing

Those (with the exception of the last one) were much bigger changes and I am sure many fans at the time complained about the "integrity".
 
jmccomber5 said:
When we gonna talk about the 20 minute half times?
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Just my personal opinion but I find THIS and the TV timeouts to be the most laborious aspects (aside from your team sucking) of watching a game in-person. Not exactly germain to whatever issues pertain to the network broadcasts and I'm also admittedly a person that has never had much use for marching bands.

All that said, I haven't really found any fans (young or old) complaining about the length of CFB games. This particular change isn't very offensive to me but they need not do anything additional.
 
Shogungts said:
They weren't having trouble with 4-hour games after TV either. The games have continued to get longer every year not as a result of commercials (I am sure they did get longer at the time TV was introduced), but due to play on the field - primarily that the style of offense that most teams play now, leads to more clock stoppages. And let's face it, networks aren't going to cut commercials b/c they need to pay out ****loads of money to every team not in the ACC.

Every major sport has had rule changes along the way. Some examples:

- Basketball did not have a shot clock or a 3 point line
- Football did not have a forward pass, 2 pt play, etc
- Hockey changed the size of the goals
- (As you noted) College football stopping the clock after first downs was not always a thing

Those (with the exception of the last one) were much bigger changes and I am sure many fans at the time complained about the "integrity".
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I'm not complaining about "integrity".

I'm concerned that the CONTENT of the games will change.

Hey, why don't we just go to 10 minute quarters? That would help all the games go to 3 hours only...

But the REASON is that you expect a football game to have a certain duration, with a certain number of drives and opportunities to score.

Could we make baseball games 7 innings? Sure. But that's not a "rule change" as much as it is a GAME-CONTENT change. The DH is a "rule change", but going to 7 innings is a much bigger deal.

I'm actually IN FAVOR of shortening the games, I just don't want to cut out multiple drives from every game. I think you can find time-savers in other areas. The only reason I like the PITCH CLOCK in baseball is because a bunch of OCD players had turned the game into a batting-glove-and-baseball-hat-adjustment contest.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I never denied that the games were running into each other. My point is different from that, which is to target things that MAKE SENSE.

Again, the pro leagues have put WAAAAAY more analysis into what is causing these things to happen. The NCAA just makes scattershot rule changes and acts like they've actually done something.
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This isnt true at all - I posted a portion of an article in this thread that shows how the style of play has impacted them (remember the NFL does not stop the clock after first downs). A quick google search brings back articles from over a year ago talking about these changes and how at that point they had already been evaluating them. I listened to a podcast months ago where Ross Dellenger discussed having talk to members on the NCAA committee in charge of this and how they had done analysis to calculate what they believed the impact would be if they made certain changes and presented multiple options.

You may not agree with them - and that is fair - but they did put some thought into this.
 
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Shogungts said:
This isnt true at all - I posted a portion of an article in this thread that shows how the style of play has impacted them (remember the NFL does not stop the clock after first downs). A quick google search brings back articles from over a year ago talking about these changes and how at that point they had already been evaluating them. I listened to a podcast months where Ross Dellenger discussed having talk to members on the NCAA committee in charge of this and how they had done analysis to calculate what they believed the impact would be if they made certain changes and presented multiple options.
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Dude, you're full of ****.

Once again, you do not even bother to address how THE RULE about stopping the clock after first downs has actually contributed to the problem. It hasn't. In fact, when you take into account the CONFLICTING things cited in the various articles (yes, we have more passing, but we have more ACCURATE passing, thus fewer incompletions), you can't even begin to blame ONE RULE for this phenomenon.

In fact, one of the newer things that LOOKS LIKE a delay (the refs holding the ball until the defense has a chance to make substitutions after the offense does) is a product of offenses trying to snap the ball FASTER than the play clock time that is alloted.

So it's simple, as I've pointed out:

1. On FORMER "clock-stop" situations (first downs and incompletions), just stop the clock temporarily and wind it once the ball is spotted.
2. Take 5 seconds off the play clock.
3. Cut 5 minutes off of halftime.

Problem solved. But the NCAA picking and choosing and targeting ONE particular rule (as if that is the ONE factor to blame) is a joke.
 
I think it helps teams built for running. I know this is a money move but it makes time of possession matter again

and with our OL and our HC who loves to run, probably not going to help us more than hurt imo
 
Shogungts said:
They weren't having trouble with 4-hour games after TV either. The games have continued to get longer every year not as a result of commercials (I am sure they did get longer at the time TV was introduced), but due to play on the field - primarily that the style of offense that most teams play now, leads to more clock stoppages. And let's face it, networks aren't going to cut commercials b/c they need to pay out ****loads of money to every team not in the ACC.

Every major sport has had rule changes along the way. Some examples:

- Basketball did not have a shot clock or a 3 point line
- Football did not have a forward pass, 2 pt play, etc
- Hockey changed the size of the goals
- (As you noted) College football stopping the clock after first downs was not always a thing

Those (with the exception of the last one) were much bigger changes and I am sure many fans at the time complained about the "integrity".
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So, rule changes that made the games more exciting and led to more scoring (longer) - and not made at the behest of our almighty corporate overlords.
 
I’m ngl college games are long AF!! I wish it wasn’t there harsh of a 180 but I don’t mind the game being a little quicker for my schedules sake lol I’m prob in minority. I watch a Fins game I know it’s done in or around 3 hours. Canes is like 4
 
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Cut 5 minutes off of halftime? Decrease advertising revenue? That's not happening.

Stop the clock and restart on a first down, not a bad idea, but there's also A LOT of potential for clock errors there.
 
SayWhat said:
Cut 5 minutes off of halftime? Decrease advertising revenue? That's not happening.

Stop the clock and restart on a first down, not a bad idea, but there's also A LOT of potential for clock errors there.
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Gonna have to find alternate methods. NASCAR has done it.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Gonna have to find alternate methods. NASCAR has done it.
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There's almost always a better way of doing things, so it's just a matter of finding it.

I've felt with advertising, if they charged more, had less of it, which would make advertisers be more creative, then maybe I wouldn't fast forward through it. I've felt that way with television in general.

I'm sure there's a bunch of simulations and analytics involved, so who am I to question it. Good discussion regardless.
 
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