Can’t Put Lipstick on a Pig and Think She’ll Win the Beauty Pageant.

[Canesrule230]

I've not once absolved the coaching staff.

But, I'm also not going to redirect from my point that the players on Miami's team right now stink. They are never prepared, emotionally fragile, they don't execute, undisciplined, etc. Blame the coaching if you want, but this same group of upperclassmen have cycled through two head coaches, three offensive coordinators, three OL coaches, three WR coaches, etc etc. I guess all of the coaches stink and the poor players are the result of everyone else's ineptitude.

Yea take a look at how those ex-coaches are doing - not great! But keep blaming the players bud. Sure this group of players is much worse than those that have beaten MTSU down since they beat us! Same group of players that destroyed Duke last year but got destroyed this year.

I'm not saying that these are Top 5 players. I just think that a competent coaching staff (heck even an incompetent one like manny's last year) would have beaten MTSU and Duke. But hey man if you choose to think that the bulk of this problem is player based and not coach based ok, that's your opinion.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

He built up Oregon and what he did at FIU and as impressive if you actually know the whole story. I know most of the idiots here will just look at the record and have no clue what transpired and what he took over. He’ll build a tough , talented roster. That’s going to happen. Btw I said ” poor man’s Butch “ and that’s more than fair.

Oregon has been the best and most consistent program in the pac 12 since Carroll left usc…he didn’t build anything. **** even taggart had an improved record in his first season. people Used to brag about what golden did at temple too, acting
Ike it was more impressive than it actually was. And if you really want to point to what he did at Oregon, you can also see the fact he didn’t recruit or develop a single good qb, They had to get nix from the portal. And yet their offense is still much better this year than under Mario

 

[DiegoCane]

I thought he did well at FIU. I thought he did fine at Oregon. I dont think hes doing even average here right now.

It’s not a surprise that Oregon is better this year with a new coach.

 

[ThomasM]

Dudes don’t understand. Kiffin, Stoops, Leipold, whoever would be 3-4 here.

This team has a bunch of losers on it’s wh’s behavior was allowed to grow because they had an even bigger loser in a HC with Diaz. They play like it and you can bet they probably prepare like it as well. You can go and say “oh Duke has a new coach” or whatever you want. Did that Duke team look like they had a bunch of losers out there? Did they lose all hope and pout after that fumble? Nope. Our guys did though.

That’s why that “it’s the coaches” argument is a bunch of bull****. Name one time Oregon absolutely quit on Mario. I‘ll sit here and wait. All of the sudden though he at Miami and it’s his fault that he‘s surrounded by weak minded dweebs. These losers have quit in 3 games this year but yet “it’s the coaches” when this staff literally has NCAA championship coaches on it.

It’s going take years to wipe the loser stench out of the Hecht.

Hiring a loser like Mario won't F'n help. Check dude's career record and tell me he's a winner.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Yea take a look at how those ex-coaches are doing - not great! But keep blaming the players bud. Sure this group of players is much worse than those that have beaten MTSU down since they beat us! Same group of players that destroyed Duke last year but got destroyed this year.

I'm not saying that these are Top 5 players. I just think that a competent coaching staff (heck even an incompetent one like manny's last year) would have beaten MTSU and Duke. But hey man if you choose to think that the bulk of this problem is player based and not coach based ok, that's your opinion.

Josh Gattis' led offense beat MTSU the same year we were taking Ls to FIU and LaTech.
Mario didn't lose a game as the real Head Coach to a G5 team.

Both of these guys have won national titles and conference championships. Maybe they suck here like everyone else has.

But what evidence do you have that these players are better than what they are showing? A few games by Tyler Van Dyke? The OL has been bad bad for years. This collection of linemen been playing together for legit 4 years...they've not gotten better as a unit and they now have one of the best OL Coaches in America coaching them and they still suck. Pass catchers have been dropping balls for years. We haven't been able to tackle consistently and have been complaining about subpar linebacker play since the Bush Administration. Our DBs been getting cooked since before Obamacare existed. Most Miami teams been quitting right around this time of the year for 19 years.

You can blame the coaches all you want. They've all sucked here. But the players ******* stink, too, and make this staff look substantially worse than their previous worst. Its not the other way around.

 

[Memnon]

Josh Gattis' led offense beat MTSU the same year we were taking Ls to FIU and LaTech.
Mario didn't lose a game as the real Head Coach to a G5 team.

Both of these guys have won national titles and conference championships. Maybe they suck here like everyone else has.

But what evidence do you have that these players are better than what they are showing? A few games by Tyler Van Dyke? The OL has been bad bad for years. This collection of linemen been playing together for legit 4 years...they've not gotten better as a unit and they now have one of the best OL Coaches in America coaching them and they still suck. Pass catchers have been dropping balls for years. We haven't been able to tackle consistently and have been complaining about subpar linebacker play since the Bush Administration. Our DBs been getting cooked since before Obamacare existed. Most Miami teams been quitting right around this time of the year for 19 years.

You can blame the coaches all you want. They've all sucked here. But the players ******* stink, too, and make this staff look substantially worse than their previous worst. Its not the other way around.

 

[hoops156]

Josh Gattis' led offense beat MTSU the same year we were taking Ls to FIU and LaTech.
Mario didn't lose a game as the real Head Coach to a G5 team.

Both of these guys have won national titles and conference championships. Maybe they suck here like everyone else has.

But what evidence do you have that these players are better than what they are showing? A few games by Tyler Van Dyke? The OL has been bad bad for years. This collection of linemen been playing together for legit 4 years...they've not gotten better as a unit and they now have one of the best OL Coaches in America coaching them and they still suck. Pass catchers have been dropping balls for years. We haven't been able to tackle consistently and have been complaining about subpar linebacker play since the Bush Administration. Our DBs been getting cooked since before Obamacare existed. Most Miami teams been quitting right around this time of the year for 19 years.

You can blame the coaches all you want. They've all sucked here. But the players ******* stink, too, and make this staff look substantially worse than their previous worst. Its not the other way around.

gattis winning a title for being on a staff for 1 year while getting help from everywhere is like addae winning a title as UGAs DB coach while getting help from the HC and anALYst turned ST coordinator in champ.

 

[BoxingRobes]

What do you want, b...the 4 and 5 star recruits stink, too.

We're just reincarnating Lance Leggett, Ryan Moore, and Marcus Forston at this point.

David Cutcliffe beat these same jabrones taking the field. Your boy DJ Ivey been getting cooked by Duke and G5 schools since before the Chinese cooked up a bioweapon in Wuhan.

 

[cway313]

1st team to 21 wins I'm disgusted.

 

[CaneSinceForEver]

Worth pointing out the other coaches who would have killed for the job, but UM wouldn't consider them because they weren't UM guys. The only semi-legit hiring process was Al Golden and frankly, I see a carbon copy in Cristobal. If the Cristo-bros want to give Mario 5-10 years to build a team, then they must also think that Al Golden should have been given the time too. Despite recruiting with both hands tied behind his back due to the Shapiro scandal, he still brought in nearly all the talent that gave UM its best season in almost 15 years.

Stop it.

If Golden had His hands tied behind His back, then USC was recruiting with a straight jacket, and they were still bringing in top 10 classes. Kids just didn't wan't to play for Golden & His Daffy Duck sounding DC.

 

[hoops156]

What do you want, b...the 4 and 5 star recruits stink, too.

We're just reincarnating Lance Leggett, Ryan Moore, and Marcus Forston at this point.

David Cutcliffe beat these same jabrones taking the field. Your boy DJ Ivey been getting cooked by Duke and G5 schools since before the Chinese cooked up a bioweapon in Wuhan.

then these same kids also smoked this same duke team twice in a row since then.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Stop it.

If Golden had His hands tied behind His back, then USC was recruiting with a straight jacket, and they were still bringing in top 10 classes. Kids just didn't wan't to play for Golden & His Daffy Duck sounding DC.

You talking about USC Lane Kiffin, the one who 99% of this board didn't want because he wasn't as good a recruiter as Mario Cristobal?

 

[BoxingRobes]

then these same kids also smoked this same duke team twice in a row since then.

So they went 2-2 against Duke in their career.

What is your point exactly?

They should have gone 3-1?

Has any other team lost twice to Duke in the past four years? Let me google that...

North Carolina A&T
Charlotte
Georgia Tech
Miami

Great company.

We are 2-3 against Duke in the past five seasons, man. Stop this.

 

[Memnon]

What do you want, b...the 4 and 5 star recruits stink, too.

We're just reincarnating Lance Leggett, Ryan Moore, and Marcus Forston at this point.

David Cutcliffe beat these same jabrones taking the field. Your boy DJ Ivey been getting cooked by Duke and G5 schools since before the Chinese cooked up a bioweapon in Wuhan.

How much talent does Miami need to beat Duke?

And when are the Coaches supposed to be held responsible for that talent?

 

[Cylo]

Dog, I wanted Lane over Mario. I’ve openly criticized our lack of recruiting the past few months. I’m far from a slurper.

You on the other hand, are just a feeble-minded, pathetic weasel that’s looking to place blame on one, not the other. You lack football IQ, you lack common sense, and you crave attention by putting everything in bold. Most of your takes receive negative reactions.

Go sit in the corner until the adults are done speaking.

That's why I'm really surprise at how much you've been defending Mario since the A&M game. You've really been defending him hardcore and were about to be 3-5. Nobody on this board had the canes being this bad before the season.

 

[Canesrule230]

Josh Gattis' led offense beat MTSU the same year we were taking Ls to FIU and LaTech.
Mario didn't lose a game as the real Head Coach to a G5 team.

Both of these guys have won national titles and conference championships. Maybe they suck here like everyone else has.

But what evidence do you have that these players aren't better than what they are showing? A few games by Tyler Van Dyke? The OL has been bad bad for years. This collection of linemen been playing together for legit 4 years...they've not gotten better as a unit and they now have one of the best OL Coaches in America coaching them and they still suck. Pass catchers have been dropping balls for years. We haven't been able to tackle consistently and have been complaining about subpar linebacker play since the Bush Administration. Our DBs been getting cooked since before Obamacare existed. Most Miami teams been quitting right around this time of the year for 19 years.

You can blame the coaches all you want. They've all sucked here. But the players ******* stink, too, and make this staff look substantially worse than their previous worst. Its not the other way around.

1. The problem with Gattis' offense is clear - he wants to run his offense as opposed to tailoring it to Miami's personnel. Anyone with half a brain could see that this offense would not work with this group of players. You don't throw a season away because you want to run your offense. You build an offense around what you have and gradually change it as you recruit the personnel you want year by year. Instead it took him way too long into the season to adjust and we lost prime opportunities to win games early on (MTSU, A&M)

2. Mario also lost to teams with inferior talent in the pac 12 (utah twice in one season) and oregon wasn't exactly crying a river when he bailed. Ultimately I don't have a giant problem with Mario at the moment, his game management skills could be improved but that's nitpicking. I do think he will have to choose whether he wants to support running this same offense with the personnel we have and risk an unsuccessful tenure here or make a change to adjust to our natural recruiting strengths.

3. NCs - dude its easy to win NCs at Alabama when your roster is loaded with 5 stars every year. No one is asking for a NC - we just want to beat the likes of MTSU and Duke - that's not too hard to ask for. MTSU has lost to UTSA, UAB, and Western Kentucky - you're really gonna tell me the players we have aren't good enough to start at any of those places?... If they had lost just to MTSU you can write it off as an aberration but with the season we're having its now a predictable pattern that this team will continue to underachieve.

4.
Evidence 1: There was a 61 PT difference in score between last year and this year with Duke. Jeez man how much more evidence of regression do you need?
Evidence 2: 2021 Miami averaged 34.1 pts per game, 2022 Miami is averaging 29.3 pts per game - and this is with an easier schedule this year and the bulk of our "hard" schedule left to play... these numbers are likely to get worse with low score outputs expected with clemson and pitt still on deck.
Evidence 3: The team flat out quit today, 8 turnovers man. You can sit there and say "oh the players are soft and quit" but bottomline is 2021 Miami players didn't quit on Manny. They lost games but they never quit on him... I haven't seen a Miami team quit like that since Golden - and that should scare everyone and make you question our leadership

Like I said these players aren't going to win a natty but this coaching staff is making this team look worse than it is.

 

[CaneIsland]

Paging coach Kevin Smith? Whats up with fumbles? Are we not shooting are kids with water soakers

 

[Cylo]

Oregon has been the best and most consistent program in the pac 12 since Carroll left usc…he didn’t build anything. **** even taggart had an improved record in his first season. people Used to brag about what golden did at temple too, acting
Ike it was more impressive than it actually was. And if you really want to point to what he did at Oregon, you can also see the fact he didn’t recruit or develop a single good qb, They had to get nix from the portal. And yet their offense is still much better this year than under Mario

True but I do think Mario should be credited at what he did at Oregon. Look at them this year? I think they're 6-1 and they just whooped UCLA. Mario left them a lot of talent. He can't coach but he can recruit

 

[PSU Cane]

Theres coaching issues and if people don’t want to believe that they’re blind. Blaming it all on players / culture is the easy thing to do.

Coaches set the culture, no?

There's equal blame on both sides.

 

[Cylo]

1. The problem with Gattis' offense is clear - he wants to run his offense as opposed to tailoring it to Miami's personnel. Anyone with half a brain could see that this offense would not work with this group of players. You don't throw a season away because you want to run your offense. You build an offense around what you have and gradually change it as you recruit the personnel you want year by year. Instead it took him way too long into the season to adjust and we lost prime opportunities to win games early on (MTSU, A&M)

2. Mario also lost to teams with inferior talent in the pac 12 (utah twice in one season) and oregon wasn't exactly crying a river when he bailed. Ultimately I don't have a giant problem with Mario at the moment, his game management skills could be improved but that's nitpicking. I do think he will have to choose whether he wants to support running this same offense with the personnel we have and risk an unsuccessful tenure here or make a change to adjust to our natural recruiting strengths.

3. NCs - dude its easy to win NCs at Alabama when your roster is loaded with 5 stars every year. No one is asking for a NC - we just want to beat the likes of MTSU and Duke - that's not too hard to ask for. MTSU has lost to UTSA, UAB, and Western Kentucky - you're really gonna tell me the players we have aren't good enough to start at any of those places?... If they had lost just to MTSU you can write it off as an aberration but with the season we're having its now a predictable pattern that this team will continue to underachieve.

4.
Evidence 1: There was a 61 PT difference in score between last year and this year with Duke. Jeez man how much more evidence of regression do you need?
Evidence 2: 2021 Miami averaged 34.1 pts per game, 2022 Miami is averaging 29.3 pts per game - and this is with an easier schedule this year and the bulk of our "hard" schedule left to play... these numbers are likely to get worse with low score outputs expected with clemson and pitt still on deck.
Evidence 3: The team flat out quit today, 8 turnovers man. You can sit there and say "oh the players are soft and quit" but bottomline is 2021 Miami players didn't quit on Manny. They lost games but they never quit on him... I haven't seen a Miami team quit like that since Golden - and that should scare everyone and make you question our leadership

Like I said these players aren't going to win a natty but this coaching staff is making this team look worse than it is.

Everybody leaving this one off but Mario also lost to a bad 3-9 Stanford team last year