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BoxingRobes said:
Yeah, and Manny lost to Duke the previous year. These same players, man. All those upperclassmen, they took all those bad losses over the past few years.

Blame Mario for not getting more out of these players, I don't really care...but he never took losses like MTSU at Oregon after Willie Taggert was the coach...I don't think any coach in America is getting much out of these guys. If you think Manny Diaz - universally considered the worst coach we've ever had here - actually had an eye for talent, enjoy that thought.

The coaching stinks, too...but we've had visible institutional rot here since Coker was here. Just one batch of bad apples infecting the next batch, so on and so forth and every coach gets the banners. Rinse-repeat.
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They lost to 3-9 Stanford last year in year 4

Mario is always going to lose game he shouldn’t
 
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DiegoCane said:
They lost to 3-9 Stanford last year in year 4

Mario is always going to lose game he shouldn’t
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I'm not talking about a conference foe in the Power 5. Those things happen. They happen every year to most teams. When you're also as **** as we are, it happens a lot.

I'm talking about getting the brakes blown off him by some G5 mid.

Can you find a G5 loss Mario took at Oregon? I can not outside of the Boise loss when he was the interim in a bowl game. This group of players have nearly a handful of'em.

I'm not absolving Mario. If you want to knock him for not being able to get anything decent out of this collection of players...by all means, as I've said many times, I don't care. You all can have discussions about the coaching until you're blue in the face.

But the players on this team aren't worthy of wearing the U on their helmet. Especially the upperclassmen. They all can't hit the bricks fast enough.
 
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Cribby said:
Mario needs a big talent advantage to make up for his deficiencies as a game day coach. We knew that coming in. Yes the roster and culture isn’t great but Mario can’t over come that with great coaching. He recruits very well and brings toughness. It’ll take him longer than say a great X O coach to fix this. Imo longterm it’ll be worth it when the roster is flipped but Mario isn’t the type to come in and jump start a team quickly with coaching. He’s a poor man’s Butch.
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My biggest concern plays into your “poor man’s Butch” comment. Other than Bill Miller, Butch didn’t have too many other misses on his staffs. His eye for coaching talent may have exceeded his eye for recruiting, which is obviously saying a lot. Mario has missed on so many hires I’m not sure he can revamp and fix it all in one offseason.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Yeah, and Manny lost to Duke the previous year. These same players, man. All those upperclassmen, they took all those bad losses over the past few years.

Blame Mario for not getting more out of these players, I don't really care...but he never took losses like MTSU at Oregon after Willie Taggert was the coach...I don't think any coach in America is getting much out of these guys. If you think Manny Diaz - universally considered the worst coach we've ever had here - actually had an eye for talent, enjoy that thought.

The coaching stinks, too...but we've had visible institutional rot here since Coker was here. Just one batch of bad apples infecting the next batch, so on and so forth and every coach gets the banners. Rinse-repeat.
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We have the 13th most talented roster by recruiting standards. But let me guess - the recruiting rankings are accurate for everyone else but not Miami right? We came in ranked top 20 preseason in both the coaches and ap poll based on the talent we have and the promise of an expensive coaching staff - but we're not talented is that right?

Manny is not a good coach but he got the team to 7-5 and went 5-1 to end the season. Do you have any confidence that mario will even get us to .500? Is this team good enough to win the nc? No - but the reality is that this team was picked to win 9 games by virtually everyone outside of Miami and we'll be lucky to end up .500.

Lane Kiffin/Mike Elko/Dave Clawson... I could keep going with more coaches - all of these coaches would have beaten mtsu and duke and gotten us to at least 5-2. Call a spade a spade - this is a bad staff that can't get these kids to perform.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
I think the culture is being severely underplayed. I‘m only saying it because I know Corey and Chris. Chris would tell me **** that blew my ******* mind about a lot of these guys. I talked to him Tuesday and he told me how UNC is a night to day difference. UNC! a bunch of ******* 3 stars care more about winning than these losers.
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Who are Corey and Chris?
 
Canesrule230 said:
We have the 13th most talented roster by recruiting standards. But let me guess - the recruiting rankings are accurate for everyone else but not Miami right? We came in ranked top 20 preseason in both the coaches and ap poll based on the talent we have and the promise of an expensive coaching staff - but we're not talented is that right?

Manny is not a good coach but he got the team to 7-5 and went 5-1 to end the season. Do you have any confidence that mario will even get us to .500? Is this team good enough to win the nc? No - but the reality is that this team was picked to win 9 games by virtually everyone outside of Miami and we'll be lucky to end up .500.

Lane Kiffin/Mike Elko/Dave Clawson... I could keep going with more coaches - all of these coaches would have beaten mtsu and duke and gotten us to at least 5-2. Call a spade a spade - this is a bad staff that can't get these kids to perform.
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They are not accurate for everyone else.

I'm not going to have a full discussion about recruiting rankings AGAIN...but there are plenty of teams that are garbage in that Blue Chip Ratio list. They aren't accurate for Auburn, Oklahoma, Florida State, Notre Dame, Florida, LSU, or aTm either. There are MORE teams on that Blue Chip list that underperform than perform at level.

I've seen every coach this school has had over the past 20 years, nearly every single year - with only few exceptions - have a roster quit on them - not only in games, but on the year.

If you think any coach has this collection any better...you have no proof to say otherwise, so you can continue to think that.

Miami has been an on average 7-5 team for 15 years. This is what that looks like.
 
Cribby said:
Mario needs a big talent advantage to make up for his deficiencies as a game day coach. We knew that coming in. Yes the roster and culture isn’t great but Mario can’t over come that with great coaching. He recruits very well and brings toughness. It’ll take him longer than say a great X O coach to fix this. Imo longterm it’ll be worth it when the roster is flipped but Mario isn’t the type to come in and jump start a team quickly with coaching. He’s a poor man’s Butch.
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….you mean a “Rich Man’s” Butch lol
 
BoxingRobes said:
They are not accurate for everyone else.

I'm not going to have a full discussion about recruiting rankings AGAIN...but there are plenty of teams that are garbage in that Blue Chip Ratio list. They aren't accurate for Auburn, Oklahoma, Florida State, Notre Dame, Florida, LSU, or aTm either. There are MORE teams on that Blue Chip list that underperform than perform at level.

I've seen every coach this school has had over the past 20 years, nearly every single year - with only few exceptions - have a roster quit on them - not only in games, but on the year.

If you think any coach has this collection any better...you have no proof to say otherwise, so you can continue to think that.

Miami has been an on average 7-5 team for 15 years. This is what that looks like.
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You're right - they don't accurate reflect the talent-win ratio for everyone but here's the kicker... the coaching staffs that they're not accurate for tend to get fired. And that's the point - this staff is underperforming to the level of talent that they have. But sure keep believing that these kids are awful! I'm sure when Mike Elko got to Duke he looked at Miami's roster and said "oh man that roster sucks - we're going to boat race them!'

Yes Miami has been an average 7-5 team - and that's why the school emptied the bank to go get what they perceived to be one of the top coaching staffs in all of cfb. And guess what they missed badly! You have Lashlee as the OC we don't have 8 turnovers and we score a heck of a lot more all season. And I'm not saying Lashlee was great - I'm just saying he's much better than Gattis!

But sure if you want to believe that this is the best performance we can get out of this team with the level of $ the school has spent on this coaching staff - go on keep believing that!
 
ddann said:
I don’t get the whole either/or thing here. It can be the coaches AND the players.

The players fumbled, missed tackles, dropped passes, etc.

But the coaches’ job is to clean that stuff up and get the players ready to execute their assignments.

Again, the teams Miami is losing to (with the exception of aTm), would kill to have Miami’s players on their roster.
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It can be and is both, but outside of true freshman you have a roster of mostly poorly developed players. A lot of dead weight. A defense poorly coached by the current Penn State DC, who has now produced many of the worst defensive games in Texas, Miami, and now Penn State history. The offense isn’t much better, with a below-average OL. One with around half the starters injured.

That cannot be fixed in one offseason.

What Mario needs is counsel from his mentors and coaching friends, and take the advice to adjust the offense for the 21st century.

Saban did it when Mario was on staff.

Mario should ‘know what it looks like’.
 
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RaoulDuke said:
I'm not of this opinion, but if this is the cases there should be wholesale changes regarding on field personnel and a drastic turnaround in win/loss next year. If it's bad players, it's incumbent on the coaches to make the changes. If they do and the team is still bad, it's on the coaches.
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Yes, but you can only turn over a roster so far, so fast.

And just know, Michigan State is 3-4, 1-3 in conference, with double digit loses to Maryland and Minnesota. Ohio State crushed Sparty again.

For all of the 2021 feel good story of MSU and Mel Tucker and beating Michigan, they are right back where they started.
 
Canesrule230 said:
You're right - they don't accurate reflect the talent-win ratio for everyone but here's the kicker... the coaching staffs that they're not accurate for tend to get fired. And that's the point - this staff is underperforming to the level of talent that they have. But sure keep believing that these kids are awful! I'm sure when Mike Elko got to Duke he looked at Miami's roster and said "oh man that roster sucks - we're going to boat race them!'

Yes Miami has been an average 7-5 team - and that's why the school emptied the bank to go get what they perceived to be one of the top coaching staffs in all of cfb. And guess what they missed badly! You have Lashlee as the OC we don't have 8 turnovers and we score a heck of a lot more all season. And I'm not saying Lashlee was great - I'm just saying he's much better than Gattis!

But sure if you want to believe that this is the best performance we can get out of this team with the level of $ the school has spent on this coaching staff - go on keep believing that!
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It did. Manny Diaz is no longer here. Ed Orgeron is no longer at LSU. Mullen is gone. Harsin gone.

As for the second bold...maybe. But we don't know based on their ability to get anything from this collection of players. I have a hard time believing that national champs, conference champs, guys recognized as the best at their job are the leading cause of death when you've got a murder weapon with 85 sets of finger prints on'em that have been at the seen of the crime over and over and over again.

Maybe Mario and his staff stinks. Its possible. They certainly look stinky coaching this collection of players who have looked stinky for years now. I guess we'll find out.
 
We keep trying to convince ourselves every week that the team is better than they are because of what we see on paper. Half the 4 stars on this team would've already been pushed out by good programs, so I think the idea of us having a lot of talent is skewed. Also this coaching staff doesn't mesh together, Mario will have to strike gold on coordinators like Dabo did to win anything here.
 
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